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Cesar R M

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Gotta add two cents... and trying to avoid going off-topic. ;) To be honest, the government would most likely like nothing more than to not talk about Ebola, but the "media" here has gone into full bat**** crazy mode with this story. They've been forced into having to give briefings because of the pure hysterical nature of these news/talk/garbage channels and the fear that they instill in the masses. Just like always, who cares about the rest of the world, but if even one incident of something reaches our shores, it's pure chaos. We've become a nation of reactionary blowhards scared by the boogeyman. Great tip, don't watch domestic news; You'll see the real stories of the world and the measured coverage that the Ebola case merits from here.
the ebola thing is the "next" malasyan plane.. they will milk it dry.
 

Cesar R M

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And don't forget, it also has been downgraded quite a bit from what it first was. I think a lot of the complaints come from the higher price/less for your money factor.

The early version had 1 Sit-Down which included App and Dessert plus gratuity (though of course I always gave a cash tip too, especially with Free Dining - I mean, how can you get a bill for $200 at CRT wiped and not throw down some cash for the staff, unless your Lovely Lou Mongello), plus I believe you also got 2 snacks/day if I recall correctly. On top of that, very very few restaurants were 2 credits, I know CRT was not originally (and that was back when they were a la carte).

Even when you paid for it, back then I think it was like $37/day, and it was definitely worth it. Now that it's nearly double the price and they have cut the benefits so (though, I have to say, a lot of folks commented it was too much food to begin with, though that doesn't excuse the huge price hike), it's really just a pre-pay plan and not a "deal" - you actually have to "work" to make sure you get your money worth.
which we go back to point 1.
EVERYTHING THAT DISNEY AS ADDED RECENTLY.. just MAKES THINGS MORE COMPLEX
 

AEfx

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which we go back to point 1.
EVERYTHING THAT DISNEY AS ADDED RECENTLY.. just MAKES THINGS MORE COMPLEX

When in truth folks already thought it was too complex - the fact that @lentesta and co. can write a guide book that is nearing 900 pages in length and really not have any significant padding in there just to adequately cover things, already was one of the many things that spoke to that. Just to cover four theme parks and the ancillary ventures. And a good 100 pages of that is pretty much the bare minimum someone needs to know to have even a moderately effective WDW trip, even if they don't need the full coverage. There is just so much information - and Disney themselves only present certain information in certain ways which often is not very effective translate into to actual vacation needs (heaven help the person that goes to WDW based solely on info at the WDW website).

MM+ is easily sourced to two things: Disney Mom's (even before it was officially organized as a "free vacation for you and your family" independent contractor position - that's what Disney calls it officially), and the Bean Counters.

I'm sure those folks ATE UP the suggestion of being able to schedule things like rides and such in advance. These are folks who are obsessive planners. I've been there, I identify. It is fun. And it's all too easy to see how proposing this type of thing was enthusiastically received by those eager for more tools to feed the hobby of planning a vacation.

At the same time, it greatly appealed to bean counters who were thrilled to think they could not only completely manage guest flow but fully direct it - and I'm sure it was sold as benefiting everyone from custodial services to entertainment and every thing else because there would be no more mere predicting crowd flow, just completely and absolutely directing it.

So what really should have been just a very needed, totally behind-the-scenes rebuild of the data infrastructure that runs WDW, instead it was elevated into this insanely ambitious Frankenstein of a project that somehow was going to turn a group of theme parks and resort hotels into one big oiled machine with military precision that everyone assuredly would fall into lock step with. Then the marketing folks got a hold of it and added a few flashy features to sell folks that sound good but they really don't need to begin with.

You take all that, and then literally wrap it up all in one neat little gift box collectable package (Magic Bands), and it's easy to see where all this came from.

The problem, obviously, though, is they listened to exactly the wrong guests (those already addicted) so they could hear what they wanted to hear, they sold it all around the company as the Second Coming of Walt with benefits galore for everyone - and there you have the MM+ mess we are seeing develop now, which completely ignores the needs of the average guest and has instead led to the severe stagnation of the parks due to it's enormous cost overruns.
 

Soarin' Over Pgh

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I had AFV on earlier (don't judge me, it was background noise) and a commercial for disneylands 60th anniversary came on.

Midway through, a couple that looked hauntingly much like our Bricker family were shown. It was like, a second, two maybe, and that's it. The commercial started with DL then moved onto DCA.

I can't find the commercial on line yet (though I did find a clip from the show, it's not the one im talking about) but did anyone else happen to catch it?
 

Captain Neo

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This was originally posted over on the Maelstrom closure topic, but in case you didn't see it, it might be amusing to people who enjoy this thread too:



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BrerJon

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I've had friends of mine who normally never sa a bad thing about Disney say they are ed about the FP+/onsite "test" for BOG.

Me too. The Toy Story thing seems to have been dismissed as fine because it's just a test, but switching BOG to essentially reservation only all the time seems to have really annoyed even the most hardcore pixie-dusters.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Universal Studios is officially coming to China.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-approves-325-billion-universal-740266
China Approves $3.25 Billion Universal Theme Park in Beijing
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The Chinese government on Monday formally approved a $3.25 billion Universal Studios movie theme park, Universal Beijing, for the suburbs of the capital in tandem with state investors.

The overall investment in the theme park will be more than 20 billion yuan ($3.26 billion) after initial expectations of $2 billion. It will be built on a 300-acre site initially, before adding additional phases to expand to a 1,000-acre park over time, the company said at a launch ceremony in a Beijing hotel. There had been widespread local media speculation about the theme park, which will be the biggest park Universal has ever done. Local media has reported that it will open in 2019.

Universal joins Walt Disney and DreamWorks Animation in building vast entertainment parks in the Chinese mainland to tap the country's expanding middle class and burgeoning love affair with the movies. The theme park will incorporate strong Chinese elements and pay "proper homage to culture in China," said Tom Williams, chairman and CEO of Universal Parks & Resorts.

The theme park will be accompanied by a Universal CityWalk entertainment complex, featuring multiple retail, dining and entertainment facilities, and it will include the first-ever Universal-themed resort hotel.

The theme park will be jointly owned by Beijing Shouhuan Cultural Tourism Investment (BSH Investment), a consortium of four state-owned companies, and Universal Parks & Resorts, a unit of Comcast NBCUniversal.

"Of all the theme parks in the world, Universal Studio is outstanding, and we have all appreciated its high standards. It is theme park based on modern movie culture, and has a great reputation around the world," Duan Qiang, chairman of Beijing Tourism Group and BSH Investment, told the launch event in Beijing.

Duan said that the consortium had pursued the project since 2001.

"Beijing is an ancient cultural city with several great cultural heritage relics. What Beijing lacks is a large-scale entertainment project based on modern technology and modern art. After thirteen years of preparation we are excited that we finally reached a deal," said Duan.

Universal Beijing will be the company’s third facility in Asia after Singapore and Osaka. Universal also has theme park locations in Orlando and Hollywood.

"Thirteen years have witnessed a great improvement of people’s life in China. Annually there are 250 million people traveling to Beijing. This huge market gives us confidence in the project. We celebrate it," said Duan.

Universal Beijing will be the company’s third facility in Asia after Singapore and Osaka. Universal also has theme park locations in Orlando and Hollywood.

Williams said Universal Beijing would create a higher level of economic growth, understanding and cultural exchange between the U.S. and China.

"Together, we will create a unique experience that spotlights hugely popular Western entertainment concepts as well as China’s rich cultural legacy. This will be an opportunity to build relationships with the Chinese people on a direct and personal level,” said Williams.

Asked about Beijing's notorious pollution problem and what impact that might have, Williams said that he saw opportunities.

"Of course, there will be a lot to learn ... but I really believe it will be very harmonious relationship and we will overcome and reform. I'm very confident we will succeed again." He said how Los Angeles had also suffered from smog, and a cleanup had worked there, and he was confident Beijing would also solve its pollution problem.

Shanghai Disneyland, the first Disney park on the Chinese mainland, is scheduled to open in the city's Pudong district at the end of next year, while in March, DreamWorks Animation and its Chinese partners unveiled designs for a $2.4 billion entertainment complex, also in Shanghai.

And domestic players are busy too. In August, Wanda Group, China’s biggest real estate company and the world’s largest cinema chain, said it was planning to build 200 children’s theme parks by 2020.

The Universal Beijing theme park and support facilities will occupy a site located northwest of the capital in Tongzhou district, and specific details will be announced later.
 
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GiveMeTheMusic

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Also did I read that correctly that the park could expand to be 1,000 acres? That would be double the size of Animal Kingdom.

It wouldn't surprise me if that ended up being the entire resort size - not just the park. It's possible it's just the park, but the media usually doesn't make such distinctions. See every single headline about the "New Harry Potter Theme Park" that opened this summer at USF. :rolleyes:
 

71jason

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The problem, obviously, though, is they listened to exactly the wrong guests (those already addicted) so they could hear what they wanted to hear, they sold it all around the company as the Second Coming of Walt with benefits galore for everyone - and there you have the MM+ mess we are seeing develop now, which completely ignores the needs of the average guest and has instead led to the severe stagnation of the parks due to it's enormous cost overruns.

I would just add, if the execs who approved this had ever worked front line in attractions or quick-serve--or even just visited the parks once a month without a phalanx of junior execs--they would have known something was wrong here. That a majority, or even a plurality, of there guests can't be OCD helicopter moms. But they don't know their audience, and this sounded cheaper at the time than building new things, the other alternative to add capacity.
 

hpyhnt 1000

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I would just add, if the execs who approved this had ever worked front line in attractions or quick-serve--or even just visited the parks once a month without a phalanx of junior execs--they would have known something was wrong here. That a majority, or even a plurality, of there guests can't be OCD helicopter moms. But they don't know their audience, and this sounded cheaper at the time than building new things, the other alternative to add capacity.

Not only was MM+ probably touted as cheaper than adding new attractions, I'm sure it was also touted as a way to generate revenue (through data mining, personalized marketing, merchandising, etc.). That revenue part often gets forgotten, namely because I'm not sure the data portions ever got off the ground with all the glitches and bugs (@WDW1974 ? @marni1971 ?@Lee ?) but you can bet it was there in the planning stages.

To the execs and bean counters, here's a project whose costs are less than expansions for every park AND has the ability to directly generate revenue? They were probably tripping over each other to sign on.
 

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