Phil12
Well-Known Member
I'd like to see a remake with Gary Busey as Nemo.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...
- Thread starter WDW1974
- Start date
AEfx
Well-Known Member
When introduced in 2005, the Disney Dining Plan (DDP) cost $35/night and included one Table Service (TS) meal consisting of appetizer, non-alcoholic beverage, main course, dessert, and 18% gratuity, one Quick Service (QS) meal consisting of non-alcoholic beverage, main course, and dessert, and one snack.
This year, the DDP costs over $60 while the TS appetizer & 18% gratuity are no longer included.
When those are taken into account, the price of the DDP has doubled in 9 years.
Meanwhile, Median Household Income is only up around 15% over the same period.
Haha, I was pretty close! Not bad for an old man.
Do they still do the QS desert? I felt like they took that away, too (not that I've looked as I haven't even entertained the dining plan since the turn of the decade).
And, although I'm not one to bring this up - as I am a "boring food" guy who isn't adventurous at all with food, so I'm usually just fine with limited choices - a lot of folks who are more into uniqueness in food choices have lamented the loss of a lot of choice and quality since it's introduction as well (I have noticed the quality issue myself).
Also, not even figuring into that doubled cost is the fact that in many cases, it's even exponentially more expensive past that if you figure the fact that the list of 2-credit restaurants has increased so greatly. Anyone have that list handy?
I want to say it was only a couple of resort restaurants at that point - and the dinner shows. I really don't think any theme park restaurants were 2 credits - not even Brown Derby (I think that was the first one a couple of years later?). I know CRT wasn't even at that point and like I said, that was before it was one price when you could get a $27 steak (which would probably now be $45 alone LOL).
When you figure the massive list of 2 credit restaurants now, you are the numbers guy, but tell me if I am being too simplistic - but if you are paying twice as much per credit now, and those restaurants cost 2 credits when they used to cost one, doesn't that mean that TS at that large list of restaurants cost quadruple now what they did nine years ago?
We did it in 2005 that first year for free dining, and it was incredible - we easily got $1200 in food free on 3 people on the plan. Although, I do admit we "cheated" as I was the 4th but wasn't on the plan as I had an AP and was staying in my own discounted room - and we went in prepared to pay for me but the servers actually suggested we just use 4 credits even though 3 people were on the plan so we did the whole time. I don't think we even asked after the first place, they just assumed. I am pretty sure that isn't allowed now. It's understandable, even though it wasn't really "cheating" as we got the same amount of meals, just spent them differently.
Because I knew what I was doing and this was a special first trip for a few folks in my family, I lived at Deb's site and those menus for months figuring everything out - and we ate at all the top end places. We didn't do Brown Derby, but when I think back I'm pretty sure we were supposed to but because circumstances changed and we didn't go to MGM that day (can you imagine that now? MM+ for the lose...) we ended up cancelling. But I wouldn't have booked it had it been 2 credits.
I know that will be read by some folks as "see, that's why they had to increase the prices" - but I don't think that both the reduction in items you get, with the doubling of the cost, and the fact that so many restaurants are 2 credit now are a bit overkill, especially considering that at the time free dining was used to get guests to book subsequent trips before they left and take trips they hadn't intended on taking to begin with.
It's funny, because I do need to go to my receipt collection now - I knew I was OCD about them for a reason LOL. Back then, everyone always complained about WDW prices, but they never seemed high to me - because it wholly depends on where in the country you live. I live in the North East, and what we paid at WDW for food was pretty much exactly what we would have paid going out to eat here. And significantly less than say other captive places, like a sports stadium, etc. I think to folks who were used to getting a steak dinner in some parts of the country for $12.95 it felt expensive, but mostly I think it was the "eating out 3 meals a day because, vacation" factor.
Now, though, it's gone up maybe 10-20% here, but WDW seems more so, particularly with the drop in quality concurrently and the conversion of so much to mass-produced pre-plated food.
jensenrick
Well-Known Member
I have to disagree here. CBS is the one that slogs through repetitive cookie-cutter crime procedure and cop shows until they hit syndication and then moves on to another one just like it. ABC shows are almost all more creative than CBS (not that that is saying much). Unfortunately the ratings don't reflect that, because average people like the same ol cookie cutter stuff.
ETA: according to TV by the numbers.com ABC's primetime was number one in the non-sports weekly averages with six of the top 15 non-sports shows, including the top two dramas, number one new comedy, and number one new drama.
Last edited:
Soarin' Over Pgh
Well-Known Member
Haha, I was pretty close! Not bad for an old man.
Do they still do the QS desert? I felt like they took that away, too (not that I've looked as I haven't even entertained the dining plan since the turn of the decade).
And, although I'm not one to bring this up - as I am a "boring food" guy who isn't adventurous at all with food, so I'm usually just fine with limited choices - a lot of folks who are more into uniqueness in food choices have lamented the loss of a lot of choice and quality since it's introduction as well (I have noticed the quality issue myself).
Also, not even figuring into that doubled cost is the fact that in many cases, it's even exponentially more expensive past that if you figure the fact that the list of 2-credit restaurants has increased so greatly. Anyone have that list handy?
I want to say it was only a couple of resort restaurants at that point - and the dinner shows. I really don't think any theme park restaurants were 2 credits - not even Brown Derby (I think that was the first one a couple of years later?). I know CRT wasn't even at that point and like I said, that was before it was one price when you could get a $27 steak (which would probably now be $45 alone LOL).
When you figure the massive list of 2 credit restaurants now, you are the numbers guy, but tell me if I am being too simplistic - but if you are paying twice as much per credit now, and those restaurants cost 2 credits when they used to cost one, doesn't that mean that TS at that large list of restaurants cost quadruple now what they did nine years ago?
We did it in 2005 that first year for free dining, and it was incredible - we easily got $1200 in food free on 3 people on the plan. Although, I do admit we "cheated" as I was the 4th but wasn't on the plan as I had an AP and was staying in my own discounted room - and we went in prepared to pay for me but the servers actually suggested we just use 4 credits even though 3 people were on the plan so we did the whole time. I don't think we even asked after the first place, they just assumed. I am pretty sure that isn't allowed now. It's understandable, even though it wasn't really "cheating" as we got the same amount of meals, just spent them differently.
Because I knew what I was doing and this was a special first trip for a few folks in my family, I lived at Deb's site and those menus for months figuring everything out - and we ate at all the top end places. We didn't do Brown Derby, but when I think back I'm pretty sure we were supposed to but because circumstances changed and we didn't go to MGM that day (can you imagine that now? MM+ for the lose...) we ended up cancelling. But I wouldn't have booked it had it been 2 credits.
I know that will be read by some folks as "see, that's why they had to increase the prices" - but I don't think that both the reduction in items you get, with the doubling of the cost, and the fact that so many restaurants are 2 credit now are a bit overkill, especially considering that at the time free dining was used to get guests to book subsequent trips before they left and take trips they hadn't intended on taking to begin with.
It's funny, because I do need to go to my receipt collection now - I knew I was OCD about them for a reason LOL. Back then, everyone always complained about WDW prices, but they never seemed high to me - because it wholly depends on where in the country you live. I live in the North East, and what we paid at WDW for food was pretty much exactly what we would have paid going out to eat here. And significantly less than say other captive places, like a sports stadium, etc. I think to folks who were used to getting a steak dinner in some parts of the country for $12.95 it felt expensive, but mostly I think it was the "eating out 3 meals a day because, vacation" factor.
Now, though, it's gone up maybe 10-20% here, but WDW seems more so, particularly with the drop in quality concurrently and the conversion of so much to mass-produced pre-plated food.
I has one sit down, TS dinner and one breakfast during my last five day vacation there. Apparently I'm not the target audience for the DDP. I'm a "eat when hungry" person and tends not to schedule food breaks. Which would probably be the reason why I had such an issue with o'hana...I wasn't nearly as hungry as I would have been had I walked into that place, say, an hour or two later than my scheduled time. I didn't realize what I had for lunch would have held me over as long as it did, and I actually felt bad that so much food was going to waste from my table.
Next time, if there is one, I'm scheduling later, and not having lunch, to make the price and amount of food brought to the table worth it.
the.dreamfinder
Well-Known Member
Box Office Mojo is back online.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
Noticed that, but no Friday update has been uploaded yet.
If all it was was site maintenance, why didn't they just say so? A facebook post, twitter notice, site redirect with "we apologize for the inconvenience", something - instead of just letting users getting upset and the media spread rumours.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
the question is.. disney does get a cut for every "tour" this guy does?
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
no space for "and they lived happily ever after" in these times.
tirian
Well-Known Member
In 2005, I paid $18/day. Now I'm hearing the "discount" is nearly $50/day, which means they're not offering a break for CMs anymore.When introduced in 2005, the Disney Dining Plan (DDP) cost $35/night and included one Table Service (TS) meal consisting of appetizer, non-alcoholic beverage, main course, dessert, and 18% gratuity, one Quick Service (QS) meal consisting of non-alcoholic beverage, main course, and dessert, and one snack.
This year, the DDP costs over $60 while the TS appetizer & 18% gratuity are no longer included.
When those are taken into account, the price of the DDP has doubled in 9 years.
Meanwhile, Median Household Income is only up around 15% over the same period.
Greed.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
not to mention they will need to take down these theatres for the upgrade... and soarin being popular (aka very little attractions at epcot)
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
they could use other gasses to compensate.
gasses more stable than normal oxygen/metane combo.
ParentsOf4
Well-Known Member
In 2005 when you paid $18/day for the Disney Dining Plan (DDP) as a CM, you probably were paying at cost.
So, in 2005 when Disney charged 'guests' $35/day for DDP, that almost 100% markup was greed.
When it comes to restaurants, between the farmer, distributors, truck drivers, cooks, and serving staff, the single largest cost component tends to be labor.
Considering Median Household income is up only 15% since 2005 (meaning Disney's labor costs to put that food in front of you cannot be up that much) along with Disney eliminating the 18% gratuity from the DDP (meaning you now are tipping out of your own pocket), Disney charging CMs almost $50/day and 'guests' over $60/day is beyond greed.
It would be one thing if menu options and food variety had improved since 2005, but with menus being cheapened to remove many of the more expensive items and with Disney eliminating variety in the remaining food options to squeeze margins (e.g. most Quick Service restaurants now use the exact same burger), it's just sad the way corporate Disney treats both its CMs and its 'guests'.
Last edited:
mahnamahna101
Well-Known Member
It's the truth - MK pales in comparison to DL's attraction count despite having the capability to double it in size. Adventureland could use a thrill ride. Frontierland could use a family dark ride. That bottleneck for Frontierland has to go. Liberty Square could use something new. Fantasyland could potentially grow behind IASW/Mermaid if TDO put money into reworking the utilidors and infrastructure. And Tomorrowland has the Speedway real estate along with the area behind it for expansion. Not to mention Stitch, Laugh Floor and arguably Buzz could be replaced.
10-15 more attractions (not replacements) and clearing up that bottleneck would do MK wonders. But I do agree it's way off topic haha.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
Why Disney needs to keep making lower-budget films:
"Younger crowds turned out for Disney’s “Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day,” as the $28 million production picked up a respectable $19.1 million from 3,088 locations. The low price tag means the film will likely be profitable."
- Variety
"Younger crowds turned out for Disney’s “Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day,” as the $28 million production picked up a respectable $19.1 million from 3,088 locations. The low price tag means the film will likely be profitable."
- Variety
the.dreamfinder
Well-Known Member
Mike S
Well-Known Member
Um, what?
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
value to his corporate bonus probably, not to the visitors.
Lee
Adventurer
That's funny, right there.