Really? Can't say Maelstrom was in my top range of satisfaction but it certainly wasn't among the lowest attractions. Wonder when those statistics were formulated and by who? The days after deciding to go forward with the overlay? I do not doubt it is confirmed, I do question the methodology.
Really? Can't say Maelstrom was in my top range of satisfaction but it certainly wasn't among the lowest attractions. Wonder when those statistics were formulated and by who? The days after deciding to go forward with the overlay? I do not doubt it is confirmed, I do question the methodology.
This is true. The complaints are generalizations and not guaranteed for all people. My dad is religious about taking care of his cars and has had both domestic and foreign cars that have lasted forever.
The data is pretty overwhelming when you go to sources like Consumer Reports or Edmunds or some other auto review source. American cars tend to be much lower on the list for reliability. It doesn't mean every one will be bad or every foreign car will be good, but your odds are much better that you will have issues with a Ford or GM car over a Japanese car.
I used to have a 1995 an early V-6, Dodge Caravan with the Mitsubishi engine. Never did anything to it except regular maintenance. I drove it for 180K before I sold it to buy another V-6 Caravan. I put 140K on it before I upgraded. When the older one was approaching the 180K mark, I went every two weeks to Boston from Vermont. I cannot tell you how many broken down BMW's and the like that I drove on by. Kinda made me chuckle a little.
A lot of how we feel about cars started when we buy our first one, or what our fathers religiously bought. Granted in the mid-70, Detroit was producing auto's with pre-applied rust. Pure pieces of junk, but, all of a sudden they had to wake up and realize that Japan was knocking our socks off and did indeed improve their product. I now own a 2005 Cadillac DHS that just hit 105K. Repairs are expensive, but, it looks and runs and rides like a brand new car. It still is on the original front brakes, the exhaust system is still as shiny as a new one. You couldn't give me a German or any other model. I do still think that Japanese models are very well made, but for the most part, I feel, American Cars are fairly comparable with any other manufacturer you can name.
Theme parks are fun to visit. I've been to WDW dozens of times, worked there as a CM for a short time, etc. Admittedly, I haven't set foot in the parks since 2011. So I've spent my fair share of time in the parks over the years. This isn't directed at anyone in particular.
That said, I just don't get the outcry of the fan community. I wouldn't shed a tear if any attraction in any park was closed. You could replace Spaceship Earth with a hot dog stand, and I wouldn't protest it.
A letter-writing campaign to protest the closure of Maelstrom? My honest response to that wouldn't get past the filter here. I think of the news this week -- a presidential speech on yet more U.S. military involvement in the Middle East, the anniversary of 9/11, etc. -- and I just shake my head at the theme park fan community.
This fan community is an honest-to-God dissertation and publishable manuscript for some aspiring psychology graduate student somewhere.
All of the objections to Frozen/Maelstrom -- Frozen "breaks the theme" of World Showcase, Maelstrom is a "great ride" that we're losing, etc. -- it's just so over-the-top and petty. I can understand if you're in the design industry that you might have a strong opinion about this change. It's no different than anyone else having an opinion about their professional industry.
Most of the of the people in the fan community, however, aren't part of that industry. In the words of Oingo Boingo, they're "on the outside looking in." I can't imagine caring so much about the purity of Epcot's theme or the integrity of World Showcase that I would contact WDW to register my complaint that Maelstrom is going away. Anyone typing "the purity of Epcot's theme" should be harshly fined. (I'll include myself in that.)
I think this is the first time I've posted anything on Frozen/Maelstrom, but seeing all the breathless complaining today just makes me think.
Earlier this week, Spirit was talking about the final stages of a relative's illness. I saw someone today write that they wish Disney had given them more advance notice so that they could visit and "say goodbye to Maelstrom." Someday, you would hope, the fan community would realize all of these rides (and indeed, the parks, too!) will all eventually be shuttered... The people are what matter. And isn't that supposed to be the "theme" of Epcot?
Theme parks are fun to visit. I've been to WDW dozens of times, worked there as a CM for a short time, etc. Admittedly, I haven't set foot in the parks since 2011. So I've spent my fair share of time in the parks over the years. This isn't directed at anyone in particular.
That said, I just don't get the outcry of the fan community. I wouldn't shed a tear if any attraction in any park was closed. You could replace Spaceship Earth with a hot dog stand, and I wouldn't protest it.
A letter-writing campaign to protest the closure of Maelstrom? My honest response to that wouldn't get past the filter here. I think of the news this week -- a presidential speech on yet more U.S. military involvement in the Middle East, the anniversary of 9/11, etc. -- and I just shake my head at the theme park fan community.
This fan community is an honest-to-God dissertation and publishable manuscript for some aspiring psychology graduate student somewhere.
All of the objections to Frozen/Maelstrom -- Frozen "breaks the theme" of World Showcase, Maelstrom is a "great ride" that we're losing, etc. -- it's just so over-the-top and petty. I can understand if you're in the design industry that you might have a strong opinion about this change. It's no different than anyone else having an opinion about their professional industry.
Most of the of the people in the fan community, however, aren't part of that industry. In the words of Oingo Boingo, they're "on the outside looking in." I can't imagine caring so much about the purity of Epcot's theme or the integrity of World Showcase that I would contact WDW to register my complaint that Maelstrom is going away. Anyone typing "the purity of Epcot's theme" should be harshly fined. (I'll include myself in that.)
I think this is the first time I've posted anything on Frozen/Maelstrom, but seeing all the breathless complaining today just makes you think.
Earlier this week, Spirit was talking about the final stages of a relative's illness. I saw someone today write that they wish Disney had given them more advance notice so that they could visit and "say goodbye to Maelstrom." Someday, you would hope, the fan community would realize all of these rides (and indeed, the parks, too!) will all eventually be shuttered... The people are what matter. And isn't that supposed to be the "theme" of Epcot?
My DD graduated with a double major in Math and Statistics. She has been entertaining as she learned and shared the methodology Corps like Disney implement. But now it is like a sickness. We stop and take every survey, they are collecting data as she collects data on their methodology. Her favorite one was as they were just launching the first of the FP+/MB testing. The only real way for that survey to end was with overall satisfaction with Disney's MME. She recently participated in an exit AK survey that just would not let her not like the food choices at AK, it would reset when she answered something negative and reword to garner a higher satisfaction rating. If she gave it a good or better satisfaction it would move on. The follow ups only came with low satisfaction.
When she agreed to participate they took her over to a kiosk, sat her down and began the survey saying 5 to 10 minutes. It had to be 30 minutes by the time she had enough. That survey brought her more delight than anything in AK the 4 hours we were there. Who needs an internship when you can get all the experience ya need at Disney?
You should see Stacey in the Seventh Street Theater TV series; I have the utmost respect for her. I know the 'perkiness' of the Walt Disney World promos gets old for some, but she does a good job.
Here's the problem. Those of us that are long time Disney visitors and fans have our eyes constantly on some non-definable "bar" that Disney no longer lives up too. So Stacy, in her over the top perkiness, to us, is a lying corporate mouthpiece that fails to tell the truth and does not mention the gloom and doom that we see.
To us, she should be dressed in black, with a constant frown. When showing off Mission: Space, for example, her lines should be "And here we have Mission: Space, a mediocre simulator ride that has killed a few people and replaced the forever loved "Horizon" Pavilion." A travesty really! Nothing will ever be as good as Horizon was.
Over here we have Expedition Everest. This highly touted ride is a total failure. Check closely and you will see a Yeti that hasn't moved since the last ice age and, in spite of it being a kinda fun ride, should be spat upon as nothing but fail, fail and more fail.
Oh, yea... let's not forget that other attraction that failed to live up to our wants and desired, the now famous for it's mediocrity, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. It's too short, it doesn't give us enough AA's, nobody goes on it because the lines are too long. Etc., you get the drift of our disgust, I'm sure.
Many have the idea that truth in advertising means that you, as a company, hire spokesperson to tell the public all about your weak points and downplay the upside. Point out things that have little or no impact on how the general public enjoys what they experience, because, it doesn't live up to our 40 year old, real or imagined, standards and basically tell everyone that they shouldn't bother coming to the parks, because, it's nothing but junk. A Stacy sitting on the curb, wringing her hands in grief and sorrow. How can anyone be so upbeat anyway and still function in life.
Yes, the preceding was sarcasm, but sarcasm based on actual statements made by posters on this and other Boards.
Anyone catch Staggs answering questions on that announcement? Someone showed concern that Norway would be lost in the pavilion and he basically said we thing this is what guests want..
I really would love to verbally spar with that guy...
It's interesting how we never really heard of Malestrom being "beloved" until the Frozen rumors began. People only seem to care because it's from "old" EPCOT, not because it's a quality attraction. Was easily one of the worst attractions in WDW, bested only by Stitch imo.
Personally, I would love for Maelstrom to get an update, and I would love for there to be a Frozen E-Ticket somewhere on property in Orlando. I just don't feel like the two should be synonymous, perhaps because the idea of inaccurately portraying the film as representative of Norwegian culture bothers the teacher side of me.
It's interesting how we never really heard of Malestrom being "beloved" until the Frozen rumors began. People only seem to care because it's from "old" EPCOT, not because it's a quality attraction. Was easily one of the worst attractions in WDW, bested only by Stitch imo.
I'm not sure that it's about "oldEPCOT" (since it isn't an original) but it was part of the original spirit of EPCOT and based on the culture of a real country rather than a cartoon.
I'm not sure that it's about "oldEPCOT" (since it isn't an original) but it was part of the original spirit of EPCOT and based on the culture of a real country rather than a cartoon.
I'm not sure that it's about "oldEPCOT" (since it isn't an original) but it was part of the original spirit of EPCOT and based on the culture of a real country rather than a cartoon.
