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[wogwog]

TIW is now implementing additional block outs at selected(read: popular) restaurants to follow the holiday pricing calendar

Being local my daughter had TIW and at the last renewal "Let It Go!" (could not help that) for much the same reasoning. She used to join out of town visitors to eat in the parks. It is ridiculous in price and declining quality now. She now picks them up at the hotel and they enjoy a nice local restaurant near WDW. She also is sure to tell them before visiting to decline the pitch for the meal plan of course. I do not think she is the only one who thinks like that.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I dropped Tables in Wonderland.

 

[flynnibus]

this is the third time you miss my point and go to a completely different side.
Maybe its better to just drop it if its really making you annoyed.

Different side? The topic was an infographic showing the crowd levels as a function of date from 2010-2014 and illustrating how the distribution is becoming more uniform BETWEEN 2010 AND 2014!

You responded "or more like.. People are getting smarter and reviewing the crowd dates.
Thus selecting the more emptier ones."

I pointed out that the 'busy season' information has been around for decades (and thus thinking this is some new phoneme between 2010 and 2014 is uninformed thinking). You argue it hasn't been.. and have been proven otherwise. In fact, I can candidly remember the graphics showing which periods are busiest in the books.

The old adage of "When is the best time to visit Walt Disney World" is not a new concept and people have been publishing answers to the question for nearly 40 years. Is there MORE info out there now? Yes.. as there is in virtually every category. You can google something from your phone vs going to the library.. but that doesn't mean no one knew anything. It's not like just recently people figured out there are better and worst times to visit. And the ideas of online forums, crowd calendars, etc are not new since 2010 either.

So please.. help me understand you are trying to say then. Because your theory that the information just hasn't been readily available before is flat out wrong. And I can pretty much guarantee that it's not society as a whole getting SMARTER and seeking out new knowledge they never cared to know before.

 

[ford91exploder]

Not at all a good comparison. An escalator is a single functioning unit. A bad ride vehicle or small show scene can be taken out while the ride continues to operate.

You are taking this too literally yes of course a vehicle can be removed or a show scene taken backstage,

I'm describing the PROCESS which Disney has not been following. At the HM for instance one of the tours shows the uncoupling station where Doom Buggies can be taken backstage for maintenance. Last time I rode HM there were a lot of cars which were 101 but still onstage they even had yellow caution tape across them!!!

Disney could have easily removed them for refurbishment but chose not to. TDO seems to do the level of maintenance a travelling carnival does - replace only parts which would cause safety inspectors to shut down attraction.

 

[Darth Sidious]

Question, does a person like Eisner manage his own twitter account?
I know many "celebrities" or "executives" actually have personnel for that... specially if the user is not exactly fond of the internet.

Yes

 

[lazyboy97o]

You are taking this too literally yes of course a vehicle can be removed or a show scene taken backstage,

I'm describing the PROCESS which Disney has not been following. At the HM for instance one of the tours shows the uncoupling station where Doom Buggies can be taken backstage for maintenance. Last time I rode HM there were a lot of cars which were 101 but still onstage they even had yellow caution tape across them!!!

Disney could have easily removed them for refurbishment but chose not to. TDO seems to do the level of maintenance a travelling carnival does - replace only parts which would cause safety inspectors to shut down attraction.

If you do not want your comments taken at face value then maybe you should stop constantly speaking in hyperbole. You go from claiming no refurbishment, then try to clarify by making it conditional on all elements working to being shut down and rebuilt. Now you're jumping to daily show quality standards.

 

[asianway]

Are you talking about a new announcement or just the previously announced changes which went into effect on Aug 1, 2014?

Ugh why did you have to link to that sleaze? Yes, I'm sure not everyone noticed they slipped that in and I'm positive it will expand

 

[ParentsOf4]

TIW is now implementing additional block outs at selected(read: popular) restaurants to follow the holiday pricing calendar

I dropped Tables in Wonderland.

Being local my daughter had TIW and at the last renewal "Let It Go!" (could not help that) for much the same reasoning. She used to join out of town visitors to eat in the parks. It is ridiculous in price and declining quality now. She now picks them up at the hotel and they enjoy a nice local restaurant near WDW. She also is sure to tell them before visiting to decline the pitch for the meal plan of course. I do not think she is the only one who thinks like that.

One of the most infuriating trends in recent years at WDW is their laser-like focus on eliminating absolutely anything that might be considered a savings. We've seen it happen with multiday tickets, annual passes, the 'no expiration' option, the Disney Dining Plan, Tables in Wonderland, etc.

"Gee, the customer might actually save a little bit of money. We need to get rid of that!"

How about focusing on giving customers reasons to spend more instead of nickel-and-diming them?

 

[Cesar R M]

Different side? The topic was an infographic showing the crowd levels as a function of date from 2010-2014 and illustrating how the distribution is becoming more uniform BETWEEN 2010 AND 2014!

You responded "or more like.. People are getting smarter and reviewing the crowd dates.
Thus selecting the more emptier ones."

I pointed out that the 'busy season' information has been around for decades (and thus thinking this is some new phoneme between 2010 and 2014 is uninformed thinking). You argue it hasn't been.. and have been proven otherwise. In fact, I can candidly remember the graphics showing which periods are busiest in the books.

The old adage of "When is the best time to visit Walt Disney World" is not a new concept and people have been publishing answers to the question for nearly 40 years. Is there MORE info out there now? Yes.. as there is in virtually every category. You can google something from your phone vs going to the library.. but that doesn't mean no one knew anything. It's not like just recently people figured out there are better and worst times to visit. And the ideas of online forums, crowd calendars, etc are not new since 2010 either.

So please.. help me understand *** you are trying to say then. Because your theory that the information just hasn't been readily available before is flat out wrong. And I can pretty much guarantee that it's not society as a whole getting SMARTER and seeking out new knowledge they never cared to know before.

I had a very lenghty reply explaining and detailing every point of where did the conversation go vs what I was meaning, but after reading the your last sentence.. its obvious I hit a nerve and not worth the trouble.

I will not reply to anything from you in the future if you want. Not worth a fight.

Just something you need to take into consideration.
WDW is not something exclusively for the US or North America.
People from all over the world plan to visit there. Do not expect everyone to have the same knowledge and mindset as an American living next to WDW.

*edit* To explain, Id rather keep this quiet than risk a fight. I do not want to have people I like to read to suddenly become an enemy.

 

[asianway]

One of the most infuriating trends in recent years at WDW is their laser-like focus on eliminating absolutely anything that might be considered a savings. We've seen it happen with multiday tickets, annual passes, the 'no expiration' option, the Disney Dining Plan, Tables in Wonderland, etc.

"Gee, the customer might actually save a little bit of money. We need to get rid of that!"

How about focusing on giving customers reasons to spend more instead of nickel-and-diming them?

Exactly, there are a ton of restaurants on 192 outside AK main entrance you can get to in 5 minutes.

 

[Lord_Vader]

Interesting thing I noticed is that the ABC Commissary noticeably does not display anything for Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. likely because of the name Marvel in the title. Now while screening GOTG at DHS they noticeably stripped the Marvel logo from all posters and the movie's logo. The Marvel logo is a big part of the MCU branding and they had to of removed it for contractural reasons. Even on the Disney Parks blog announcement for the screening they didn't mention Marvel but rather the studio that brought you Avengers. (though they did provide a link to marvel.com)

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/bl...xy-sneak-peek-landing-in-disney-parks-july-4/

But the preview itself proudly displayed the Marvel logo.

 

[flynnibus]

Just something you need to take into consideration.
WDW is not something exclusively for the US or North America.
People from all over the world plan to visit there. Do not expect everyone to have the same knowledge and mindset as an American living next to WDW.

And someone traveling from abroad is far more likely to use a travel service than someone who was going to hop in their car and drive to FL. "when to visit WDW" is not some secret that leaked out with the Internet, nor did people en large travel abroad without any consult or research. In fact, it was nearly impossible to do so because you couldn't buy airline tickets direct. Not all TAs are WDW savvy - but the 'when do you visit" topic was never some insider tip and is the subject of just about any travel reference on any destination. The knowledge has been out there for decades... you can't force people to absorb it, but it's been there.

All of which means nothing for 2010-2014 anyways.

 

[Cody5242]

What about Azkaban Prison?

Well I think in the books and movies, Azkaban is in the middle of the ocean so I'm not sure how they can do that

 

[doctornick]

Well I think in the books and movies, Azkaban is in the middle of the ocean so I'm not sure how they can do that

Yeah, I think they could have a ride that take you there on the ride, but developing that as a land seems difficult.

 

[ford91exploder]

If you do not want your comments taken at face value then maybe you should stop constantly speaking in hyperbole. You go from claiming no refurbishment, then try to clarify by making it conditional on all elements working to being shut down and rebuilt. Now you're jumping to daily show quality standards.

I stand by my claim that rides have NOT been refurbished and only minimal maintenance is performed, The space mountain 're-furb' is an example - slapped a little paint here and there added new audio, The track is in rough shape and the cars needed additional braking because they go too fast for condition of track.

To be fair at Space mountain a full refurbishment WAS planned but the bean counters at TDO nixed it.

The monorail is another, out of service for huge portions of the day for months on end and minimal work performed in the monorail's case not even a heavy cleaning and paint touchup

HM - Doom buggies out of service, You see the same thing at Buzz.

I'm sorry there has been no 'refurbishment' in the sense an industrial engineer would use in a VERY long time at WDW.

There has been 'maintenance' and cosmetic reworks - but no 'refurbishment' as understood by an engineer.

 

[ford91exploder]

Exactly, there are a ton of restaurants on 192 outside AK main entrance you can get to in 5 minutes.

"Gee, the customer might actually save a little bit of money. We need to get rid of that!"

How about focusing on giving customers reasons to spend more instead of nickel-and-diming them? [/QUOTE]

This is what happens when Finance guys are in charge of a company they know the COST of everything and the VALUE of nothing because all they see is the cost side of the ledger and assume people will still buy even after the value is hollowed out.

You see this at Sears - their Tools once led the market in quality and durability now they are junk little better than the no-name tools sold at flea markets. Sears is wondering why no one is buying - they have bright colors on the packaging... It's the QUALITY or lack thereof stupid. When the labels are peeling off the tools on the sales floor you just keep right on walking by them.

Disney P&R is following this time honored road to disaster like so many others, You cannot cut corners and increase prices forever you need to have a reason for people to spend their money with you.

Disney is operating on Inertia, By time they realize what's happened they will have a very long and expensive road back.

 

[71jason]

"Gee, the customer might actually save a little bit of money. We need to get rid of that!"

How about focusing on giving customers reasons to spend more instead of nickel-and-diming them?

Mizers--the only lounge in the signature WDW resort--stopped serving complimentary bowls of mixed nuts this weekend as a cost-cutting measure. Apparently bulk nuts were cutting into the margins from the 800% mark-up on liquor.

 

[asianway]

Mizers--the only lounge in the signature WDW resort--stopped serving complimentary bowls of mixed nuts this weekend as a cost-cutting measure. Apparently bulk nuts were cutting into the margins from the 800% mark-up on liquor.

I'm shocked it took them this long. Someone should be fired

 

[Darth Sidious]

Mizers--the only lounge in the signature WDW resort--stopped serving complimentary bowls of mixed nuts this weekend as a cost-cutting measure. Apparently bulk nuts were cutting into the margins from the 800% mark-up on liquor.

At the company I work for it's a PITA to order paper in the office even because that costs too much money. We have one of the best CEOs in the world according to publications but cost cutting and sucking money out of everything can actually have an effect on productivity.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

One of the most infuriating trends in recent years at WDW is their laser-like focus on eliminating absolutely anything that might be considered a savings. We've seen it happen with multiday tickets, annual passes, the 'no expiration' option, the Disney Dining Plan, Tables in Wonderland, etc.

"Gee, the customer might actually save a little bit of money. We need to get rid of that!"

How about focusing on giving customers reasons to spend more instead of nickel-and-diming them?

You hear that? That's the sound of torrents of dollars whiz zing over your head!