The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

[wogwog]

Well, it's live, not recorded. And it is a Disney hotel lobby that hosts a princess dinner. So some polite golf applause is expected. But nothing gets the uproar of reaction like that song. Nor does anything else get a circle of little girls in princess dresses surrounding the piano singing along.



Yeah, this one troubles me more. Just because it's predominantly a much older crowd; weren't a whole lot of kids on #Potterwatch.

Another disturbing element to me is the "sing a long" version of the flic. I just can't imagine being trapped in that theater. Especially not knowing going in it was a sing a long presentation.

 

[Lord_Vader]

Another disturbing element to me is the "sing a long" version of the flic. I just can't imagine being trapped in that theater. Especially not knowing going in it was a sing a long presentation.

The sing-along presentations were advertised as such around here, if someone did not know they were going into one it was because they did not read the title.

 

[wogwog]

The sing-along presentations were advertised as such around here, if someone did not know they were going into one it was because they did not read the title.

OK, that sounds fair, the buyer beware rule.

 

[71jason]

My whole point here everyone, is that while I think the movie is very good, it doesn't live up to the hype and hoopla surrounding it just because it's the most recent offering. AND, this type of reaction for anything but the absolute best says to Disney and others, "Don't worry about giving us the best, just good is ok, and if you help hype it correctly, we'll open our wallets just as wide as if you'd really given it your best shot.

Obviously film criticism is subjective. But the fact that a dozen Disney animated movies before Frozen came out and didn't get the same hype or hoopla even when they were the most recent suggests that, to a overwhelmingly large percentage of the public, this really is the "absolute best," at least in a generation.

The failure of online posters (certainly not just you) to recognize this fact goes back to my original post on the subject: it says more about the demographics of the internet than the inherent quality of the film.

The fact we're seeing strawman arguments about 6-year-olds being bullied for not knowing the song and theater patrons being "trapped" in sing-along shows just illustrates the online community is trying to invent reasons to hate what is by all commercial and critical measures a really good movie.

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

?? Disney popularized the idea of the themed hotel to take you somewhere else and bringing their concepts of themed design to hotels.

I think you confuse stale product with bad design.



This is about a shift in contemporary tastes. The recent updates have modernized the styles used... And of course in turn will generally more liked than the dated concepts that had fallen out of favor. Simple example... Wallpaper vs paint.

However in many of these updates they have also marginalized the identity and theme of the properties.

I think you confuse your appreciation of the recent hotel amenities refreshes with Disney design improvements.

Disney is finally catching up with hotel basics... But in many ways is far behind where it used to be in offering unique experiences.

IMO it's about the rest of the world catching up to Disney... And Disney failing to keep advancing.

Some of the suite designs of recent years have been interesting... But besides the dl hotel... Nothing in the deluxes have been attention grabbers in a long time.

^ THIS

 

[PhotoDave219]

I was very excited and happy the first time I walked into Diagon Alley but nothing close to tears, that's just nuts. What's your opinion on the spontaneous applause every time the dragon breathes fire in Diagon Alley?

Shish kebabs.

 

[tirian]

The hype is understandable: Frozen is the most accessible* fairy tale that's come from Disney for this generation. Most of the online community grew up with the classics being re-released to theaters and the Renaissance films of the early 90s; when we saw Frozen, the consensus was, "Eh, we've seen better."

Disney didn't expect the hype, and neither did critics. Frozen was a sleeper hit.

I especially like how the lyrics to "Let It Go" technically make it an ode to rebellion and shutting out others, but the public latched onto the one positive line and made it an anthem of self-realization.

* I would argue that Princess and the Frog had better characterizations and Tangled had a more interesting plot.

Obviously film criticism is subjective. But the fact that a dozen Disney animated movies before Frozen came out and didn't get the same hype or hoopla even when they were the most recent suggests that, to a overwhelmingly large percentage of the public, this really is the "absolute best," at least in a generation.

The failure of online posters (certainly not just you) to recognize this fact goes back to my original post on the subject: it says more about the demographics of the internet than the inherent quality of the film.

The fact we're seeing strawman arguments about 6-year-olds being bullied for not knowing the song and theater patrons being "trapped" in sing-along shows just illustrates the online community is trying to invent reasons to hate what is by all commercial and critical measures a really good movie.

 

[MrDee]

Spontaneous applause...in a hotel lobby...for a recorded song....from an animated movie...

Guys, seriously, is this and the stories of tears being shed upon the first sight of DA not VERY troubling to more people? I understand fascination with the latest thing, but geez. I can feel nostalgic going to WDW, US and heck even the place where I "parked" with my first girlfriend for the first time (just me or were cars MUCH roomier in the 80's?? SO glad I'm outta the dating scene, and Lebeau isn't the only one with a smoking hot wife!) This is why humans can spend their last dime on things that in a few years time will be meaningless to them. The rush to be part of the "in crowd" and follow the latest "popular trends" is why we fall for anything put in a pretty package and sold as making you one of the cool kids, even when those cool kids are adult soccer moms and dads taking the SUV to Target for the latest widget, or not stopping to think how applause in a hotel lobby for anything less than a major suite upgrade is a little nuts.

Good Golly, aren't most of us here (on these forums I mean......not on Earth....don't wanna' confuse anyone) because of our emotional (and financial) connections to The Mouse? Man!! (or woman, or rain-on-mine-and-everyone-else's-parade-type-person, or whatever...)....people constantly complaining around here about what's not being done, or hasn't been said, and then something good DOES finally come along, and there has to be complaints about THAT!....ok, I had my say....gonna' go listen to the Frozen soundtrack again right now just to tick at least one person off.....and, I'll probably sing.....

 

[DinoInstitute]

What do you all think of Planes?

 

[FigmentJedi]

Please, she's a hot blonde. #DemHips And that reserved quality would come off as snooty aloofness in high school (in fact, basically how Anna reads it in the movie initially).

"She's hot, she can't be depressed!"

Elsa's social interaction ability is stunted from her isolation, can't really handle being around people and she's really blunt when talking to people. Then she runs away and builds a pillow fort out of snow. In a high school setting, she'd be the one that's on Tumblr all the time.

 

[GoofGoof]

Not good with the multi-quote function, so here goes.

Great responses and viewpoints to all. I understand applauding a live performance, but was applause also given for any other Disney songs the trio (I'm guessing) in the lobby played? Including Disney standards that built the empire to begin with? And I agree, an older crowd, and past 6 months out or so and it's really troubling. And the little girls singing along, ugh, I really hope the 6 year old girls who don't know the song by heart aren't being bullied because of it. Better learn it quick, just another instance of youth peer pressure. A soccer match with emotion for a team you've probably followed for years compared to a new movie isn't comparable to me, nor is an actual explosive element of an actual attraction versus the "Don 5 Trio from Clearwater".

My whole point here everyone, is that while I think the movie is very good, it doesn't live up to the hype and hoopla surrounding it just because it's the most recent offering. AND, this type of reaction for anything but the absolute best says to Disney and others, "Don't worry about giving us the best, just good is ok, and if you help hype it correctly, we'll open our wallets just as wide as if you'd really given it your best shot.

I think the more simple answer is people/kids really like the movie. I don't think the vast majority of people are thinking just good is OK. Most people don't spend a minute thinking about the things people here obsess over. People don't like Frozen because of the hype. The hype exists because people liked Frozen. It's getting the Who Wants to Be A Millionare treatment right now from Disney so it may burn out faster than it naturally would have.

 

[Jose]

@WDW1974 the new show at Cinderella castle will be similar to "Once upon a Time" from Tokyo???

 

[Mike S]

I thought Frozen was a pretty good movie. Not "the best Disney movie since The Lion King" but it was good. I actually like it more than Tangled and Wreck-It Ralph.

 

[Cody5242]

When I first walked into Diagon Alley I came no where close to crying and I'm a big Harry Potter fan. Maybe because it's just a theme park land? An amazing theme park land at that

 

[Cody5242]

I also have never teared up anywhere at Disney World. Maybe going to DisneySea will make me cry tears of beauty

 

[Jose]

Steve Davison posted on FB he had been talking with the Disney Team about 3 projects.

 

[ChrisFL]

Wow.
I'm trying to think of a Disney dark (non-thrill) ride that's more impressive....

Mansion, maybe Mystic Manor.....otherwise....it crushes every other one, IMHO. Mermaid and Pan need to go sit quietly and have a moment of reflection about their place in the world.

I just looked at a couple of their other videos from that park and they have some great, unique dark rides. Villa Volta is really trippy

 

[Todd H]

Steve Davison posted on FB he had been talking with the Disney Team about 3 projects.

1. Frozen bathrooms
2. Frozen benches
3. Olaf meet and greet

 

[Cesar R M]

That's how you know it's not a Disney ride -- kinda hard to spend money from up there

not if they throw the products at you and use magicbands to automatically charge you.

 

[bhg469]

Wow.
I'm trying to think of a Disney dark (non-thrill) ride that's more impressive....

Mansion, maybe Mystic Manor.....otherwise....it crushes every other one, IMHO. Mermaid and Pan need to go sit quietly and have a moment of reflection about their place in the world.

Mystic manor looks great but I just don't see it as being much more than what haunted mansion should be if it was built today... maybe it's even a tiny bit short of that since mansion has the elevation changes.

This attraction looks to be what mine train should have been... I don't think anyone could disagree.