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flynnibus

flynnibus

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the.dreamfinder said:
Have we brought up that most mobile carriers around the world do not, or not as generously, subsidize smart phones as the carriers do here in the US?
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No, smart phones were almost always significantly more expensive in Europe and unlocked phones were more common. Things have changed in recent years with more deregulation in telecomms leading to more competition... but in general the old rule still largely applies... luxury goods are dramatically cheaper in the US then abroad.
 
bhg469

bhg469

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Padraig said:
From what I've seen, Americans seem to pay through the nose for phones.
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Google makes a very good nexus line that are unlocked and very good phones that Google directly support software upgrades on. Motorola is even attempting similar phones. They are affordable and just as good as any subsidized carrier device albeit Samsung htc or apple. Google is doing a good job trying to change things.
 
stevehousse

stevehousse

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Padraig said:
From what I've seen, Americans seem to pay through the nose for phones.
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What we pay is nothing compared to what people pay in other countries. Most of the phones in the US r heavily discounted. People overseas do not get those discounts and en up having to pay market value for a phone! The "real" phone prices are 2-3 times higher than what we would pay for a new iPhone!
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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stevehousse said:
What we pay is nothing compared to what people pay in other countries. Most of the phones in the US r heavily discounted
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Not discounted - subsidized. You pay a lower price in exchange for a locked in contract term.. whose price includes dollars to offset the upfront phone cost. But this is changing.. carriers are switching to models where they charge full price for the phone, in exchange for no contract and lower monthly fees. (This is the AT&T Next program in a nutshell). For the most part, all they are doing is moving the phone subsidy out of the monthly contract price.. and asking you to pay the full price of the phone, even if on an installment program.

Carriers are fighting the old contract lock-in and EFT arguments... so their answer is 'fine, no contract.. no subsidy... and we pitch it as if you can get a new phone every 2 years'. sure, you can BUY a new phone as often as you like :)
 
bhg469

bhg469

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flynnibus said:
Not discounted - subsidized. You pay a lower price in exchange for a locked in contract term.. whose price includes dollars to offset the upfront phone cost. But this is changing.. carriers are switching to models where they charge full price for the phone, in exchange for no contract and lower monthly fees. (This is the AT&T Next program in a nutshell). For the most part, all they are doing is moving the phone subsidy out of the monthly contract price.. and asking you to pay the full price of the phone, even if on an installment program.

Carriers are fighting the old contract lock-in and EFT arguments... so their answer is 'fine, no contract.. no subsidy... and we pitch it as if you can get a new phone every 2 years'. sure, you can BUY a new phone as often as you like :)
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Well to be honest, the plans aren't really cheaper and some carriers will continue to charge you monthly for the phone even after its "paid off". It's really just trickery. The only way to save money is to procure an unlocked phone, which there are a few great choices now, and activate it. Only downside is that it has to be with a GSM carrier, at&t or t mobile.
 
WildcatDen

WildcatDen

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Pumbas Nakasak said:
I saw maiden open for Priest then return a few months later on their own tour. Mr Dickinson was still fronting Samson who were more famed for their gimp mask wearing drummer than the vocal dexterity of young Bruce.
Still I look forward to next weekends show with some anticipation.
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Has Maiden got enough responses not to be counted as one of the many thread drifts? On a related note, I think one reason you do not see local bands trying to cover Maiden songs is becuase they do not have a bass player like Steve Harris.
 
WildcatDen

WildcatDen

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Pumbas Nakasak said:
I suppose it is exchange rate based, as what you pay in $$$$$ we would have in pay in £££. Though as a tequila drinker I do purchase several bottles because we dont have the availability and some that I paid less than $30 cost £40+.

Bottoms up
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Was standin behind a family from Glasgow during the castle show and Wishes in April. During polite conversation, he mentioned they had filled nearly a suitcase with new shoes purchased in the States due to the cost.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Speaking of Disney things... has anyone ever read "Disney Wars"? I finally got around to reading it and I am still shaking my head. If only half of it is true, then Disney, at least under Eisner, was one giant cesspool of dysfunctional executives that were paid so much that they were unable to overcome a power mad leader. I would be interested in knowing if other companies are run like this. I am amazed that Disney is still in existence. The team of Roy Disney and Stanley Gold are no longer. I worry about the fate of the place without these two. The two of them brought down the evil giant when no one thought he could be pushed out.

Or are we still talking about Apple as if anyone cares other then a couple of ya!
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
Speaking of Disney things... has anyone ever read "Disney Wars"? I finally got around to reading it and I am still shaking my head. If only half of it is true, then Disney, at least under Eisner, was one giant cesspool of dysfunctional executives that were paid so much that they were unable to overcome a power mad leader. I would be interested in knowing if other companies are run like this. I am amazed that Disney is still in existence. The team of Roy Disney and Stanley Gold are no longer. I worry about the fate of the place without these two. The two of them brought down the evil giant when no one thought he could be pushed out.

Or are we still talking about Apple as if anyone cares other then a couple of ya!
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How is the evil giant gone when Strategic Planning was never exiled?
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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Goofyernmost said:
Speaking of Disney things... has anyone ever read "Disney Wars"? I finally got around to reading it and I am still shaking my head. If only half of it is true, then Disney, at least under Eisner, was one giant cesspool of dysfunctional executives that were paid so much that they were unable to overcome a power mad leader. I would be interested in knowing if other companies are run like this. I am amazed that Disney is still in existence. The team of Roy Disney and Stanley Gold are no longer. I worry about the fate of the place without these two. The two of them brought down the evil giant when no one thought he could be pushed out.

Or are we still talking about Apple as if anyone cares other then a couple of ya!
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I've read it several times. It's my prime example when I discuss the corporate culture that exists within TWDC
 
Mike S

Mike S

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marni1971 said:
My first gig was on the Seventh Tour tour in 88.

Showing my age now.

And Bruce is friends with my dads neighbour :)
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I am so jealous. I've only met the drummer :hilarious: He was still a cool guy though. He served our food when we ate at his restaurant. Got a few things signed as anyone would :)
 
Fe Maiden

Fe Maiden

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WildcatDen said:
Has Maiden got enough responses not to be counted as one of the many thread drifts? On a related note, I think one reason you do not see local bands trying to cover Maiden songs is becuase they do not have a bass player like Steve Harris.
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I've never seen them but the Iron Maidens are pretty popular.



marni1971 said:
My first gig was on the Seventh Tour tour in 88.

Showing my age now.
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Tell me about it, I've promised my 11yo I will take him to a few shows next year on a likely US tour. I've been following them since '83. Same year we first visited EPCOT, not a bad year.

And to keep this Disney related, here are a few of the boys in Disneyland circa 1981. Kudos to the CM who stitched Killers into the mouse ears.
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And the infamous Snow White Christmas card:
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lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Bolna said:
Yes, people tend to forget that the much beloved Tom Staggs was one of those who got to where they are now by way of Strategic Planning. The spirit of that unit is still very much alive at TWDC, you just need to look to see it even if it now does not have a specific name anymore.
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Staggs was not just part of Strategic Planning, he ended up being its head. Rasulo also came from there, with Staggs.
 
FabulousFigment

FabulousFigment

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WildcatDen said:
Has Maiden got enough responses not to be counted as one of the many thread drifts? On a related note, I think one reason you do not see local bands trying to cover Maiden songs is becuase they do not have a bass player like Steve Harris.
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It is quite a thread drift, apologies. It is just so rare that I find other people to discuss Maiden with, other than my father. <now I am showing my age :p>
 

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