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culturenthrills

culturenthrills

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Well Pirates capacity has been double whammied by FP+ and the reduction of capacity due to the cheap plastic boats that make it so they can't load the 6th row. The wait for Pirates has gone way up. HM hasn't gotten as bad but we are talking about 2 rides that used to have 10 minute waits by late afternoon/early afternoon most days. That meant that even when other rides lines were long you could go ride one of those two. Now nope. FP+ has made all standby lines longer.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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DisDan said:
Well that depends on the person, not everyone sees planning as a stressful thing. Personally, I am a planner and like having options available to me to plan my trips out. That being said, I can understand some folks not liking this very much and being forced into it as being a stressful thing. On our last family trip to WDW this passed Sept. we planned out all our FP+ and Dinner reservations in advance. Knowing that I had reservations for all that actually made our trip more "relaxed" because I was not worrying about where to eat and whether I would be able to get a table in a timely manner or how long the line at a specific attraction would be (in the case of FP+).

So, to each their own I guess.
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doctornick said:
Why not? Sure, if you are unplanned you won't be able to do as much in terms of going on rides or meal reservations, but that's not anything surprising. Most things in life, you get to do more with planning.

But if someone wanted to take a relaxing WDW vacation, what is stopping them? On days when you go to the parks, you either get FP+ on the spot or wait in lines. On other days, you do the same sort of "relaxing" stuff you bemoan that peopel don't do -- go horseback riding or bike riding or do watersports or golfing or mini-golf or take a carriage ride or go to a petting zoo or just relax at the pool. All things still available at the "Vacation Kingdom". If that was the stuff you enjoyed doing 10 or 20 years ago at WDW, why can't or won't you do them now? What would be stopping you?

I guess I don't understand what the change is that prevents people from having this sort of vacation if they want it. I fully understand that Disney does not promote that type of vacation, but the components are still all there available to be experienced if that is what you like.
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Planning is directly counter to how the entire experience works and lives. With planning there is no support for the layering necessary to create an enriched environment. That layering works to distract and slow down, pulling people into exploration of spaces, smaller attractions, exhibits, etc. and therefore also reduce strain on the marquee experiences. The experience also then is more fleshed out and beyond what was expected.
 
BrerJon

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PhotoDave219 said:
My biggest thing? I don't know when I'm going to get off work early and decided to go to Disney… I can't plan a week out let alone 180 days out. So this entire culture all of scheduling everything in advance just gives me the impression that because I do not fit into the mold the management wants, I am not welcome.
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Yup, this is exactly it. Fastpass+ and MyMagic works for a specific, fairly narrow type of vacationer (family, once every couple of years, mainly into Disney for the movies and kids stuff), and for them it works great, but for many types of visitor they haven't added any tangible benefits.

On my recent visit there was not a single part of the MyMagic+ experience that didn't make things worse for me as as a spontaneous day guest than before - the only plus point was the charging points, but they were all broken so even that wasn't a benefit.
 
BrerJon

BrerJon

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Kman101 said:
What did you do without FastPass? With or without FP, rides aren't always going to be a low wait. I'm sorry the line isn't a walk on and I agree FP+ has increased the wait time on certain attractions but you CAN *just wait*. Most don't want to.

FastPass should have never been introduced. It's spoiled people.
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You can't "just wait" for Be Our Guest, yet when many people booked their vacations to see New Fantasyland they were told that they would be able to go inside as it was a quick service, and not told that their chances of seeing it were slim unless they booked well in advance.
 
NearTheEars

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Skip said:
The point all the pro FastPass+ folks are conveniently ignoring is that you really can't *just* wait in the standby line anymore: FastPass+ has exacerbated lines at even high capacity attractions like Haunted Mansion and Pirates. Before FastPass, all capacity was devoted to one line at all times, making standby lines significantly shorter.
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So if you can't wait standby anymore, do you only just experience 3 attractions now and leave?

Yes, I know that's extreme. But I have waited standby plenty since FP+ was implemented. Some lines are shorter, some longer. My own personal, anecdotal experience has been that evens out in the end.

Unless you were the commando, Rush around to get a paper fast pass type before.

But heck, that sure doesn't sound so relaxing, as some like to reminisce about.
 
GoofGoof

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Kman101 said:
What did you do without FastPass? With or without FP, rides aren't always going to be a low wait. I'm sorry the line isn't a walk on and I agree FP+ has increased the wait time on certain attractions but you CAN *just wait*. Most don't want to.

FastPass should have never been introduced. It's spoiled people.
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1023 said:
FastPass works perfectly well in Disneyland.

*1023*
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I remember WDW before FP. It was just fine. In a lot of ways maybe better. However, I remember when FP original was introduced that I thought it was a great idea. Grabbing a ticket and coming back later rather than waiting 30 minutes to an hour for Splash or BTMRR or Space Mountain. It was great in concept if used as intended. Generally I would use a few FPs a day at most. I do think the fastpass commandos who would run around pulling as many tickets as they could were kinda missing the point, but to each there own. Some people became obsessed with maximizing the use of FP.

In comes FP+. The socialism of FP. Instead of the seasoned veterans and commandos taking advantage of the system with multiple FPs a day while the first time visitor hardly used it this new version of FP promotes a more even distribution. It requires some additional planning although at most times of year all but a handful of attractions have FP+ availability even the day of. If you want a specific ride at a specific time you need to book ahead. It allows the planners to plan ahead while the spontaneous can book day of or not at all (except for rides like TSMM and Soarin which are being expanded).

Where FP+ fails is not the advanced reservations or the 3 advanced reservation limit. It's the extra rides added to the system that are not needed. Pirates and HM being prime examples. The reason as @1023 says it works at Disneyland is because they have FP on the right number of attractions where it's actually beneficial. I think if they removed the unnecessary FP+ rides it would go a long way towards helping the system work at an optimal level. Of course they wouldn't have enough reservations to fill everyone's 3 FP+ allotment. This is why adding more things like CS restaurants, parades, shows and M&Gs is a good thing. If they create enough extra FP reservations with those things they could in theory remove FP+ from some of the unnecessary rides in the future.
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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NearTheEars said:
So if you can't wait standby anymore, do you only just experience 3 attractions now and leave?

Yes, I know that's extreme. But I have waited standby plenty since FP+ was implemented. Some lines are shorter, some longer. My own personal, anecdotal experience has been that evens out in the end.

Unless you were the commando, Rush around to get a paper fast pass type before.

But heck, that sure doesn't sound so relaxing, as some like to reminisce about.
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I people watch and find attractions with short lines. Pretty much it.
 
Kman101

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BrerJon said:
You can't "just wait" for Be Our Guest, yet when many people booked their vacations to see New Fantasyland they were told that they would be able to go inside as it was a quick service, and not told that their chances of seeing it were slim unless they booked well in advance.
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I know that. I said my biggest complaint was having to book restaurant reservations. I'd love to see the inside of that place but I doubt I will anytime soon. There are a ton of restaurants I've never experienced. I guess I could always ask to look around but they never seem very willing on that.
 
tribbleorlfl

tribbleorlfl

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Sony leak confirmed the rumors Marvel Studios and Sony had talks to bring Spidey where he belongs (MCU). Of course, talks broke down so now Sony is moving on with plans for an animated comedy and the rumored Aunt May film. I swear, they're just like Fox w/ FF- Sony won't be content until they've completely ruined all future commercial viability with this character.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-85444
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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tribbleorlfl said:
Sony leak confirmed the rumors Marvel Studios and Sony had talks to bring Spidey where he belongs (MCU). Of course, talks broke down so now Sony is moving on with plans for an animated comedy and the rumored Aunt May film. I swear, they're just like Fox w/ FF- Sony won't be content until they've completely ruined all future commercial viability with this character.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-85444
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I'm still gonna credit CinemaSins.
 

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