The Spirited 11th Hour ...

[FigmentJedi]

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Several Godzilla films, under license from Toho

I believe Shout Factory has the rights to those films now

 

[Cesar R M]

Why not all 4 with a better ride for Frozen like Disneyland and DisneySea will get? Oh yeah, stock buybacks. And cuts. And fans taking whatever crap Disney shovels them like it's the second coming.

I actually wonder if they want to PREVENT what happened with Disneyland Paris. (aka fading quality, losing tons of money, then Disney using the downturn to buy a higher stake and thus gain control of the park).
Hence so instead of selling shares, they are increasing their shares of the park.

 

[Cesar R M]

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how to train your dragon
shrek and spinoffs
madasgascar and spinoff
Kung fu panda
The Croods

PLUS
UPA catalog (Mr. Magoo, Gerald McBoing-Boing, etc.)
Harvey Entertainment catalog (Casper the Friendly Ghost, Richie Rich, Baby Huey, etc.)
Golden Books/Gold Key Comics catalog (Magnus, Robot Fighter, Doctor Solar, Turok, Little Lulu, etc.), including the Broadway Video catalog (Lassie, the Lone Ranger, Sergeant Preston of the Yukon, Underdog, Tennessee Tuxedo and His Tales, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Frosty the Snowman, Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town, etc.)
Big Idea Entertainment catalog (VeggieTales)
Entertainment Rights catalog,including the Filmation (He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, BraveStarr, etc.), Woodland Animations (Postman Pat, Charlie Chalk) and Tell-Tale Productions (Tweenies, Boo!, etc.) catalogs.
Noddy
Olivia
Felix the Cat
Where's Waldo?
Theodore Tugboat
Voltron
Jay Ward Productions catalog (The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, Mr. Peabody & Sherman, George of the Jungle, etc.)
Tribune Media Services catalog (**** Tracy, Brenda Starr, Reporter, Gasoline Alley, Broom-Hilda, etc.)
Several Godzilla films, under license from Toho

Rise of the Guardians ( Guardians of Childhood )
Prince of Egypt/El Dorado
Megamind, Shark Tale
Wallace and Groomit
Turbo
Peabody and Sherman (I wonder, will it be the classic or also the redesign in 3d?)
Over the Hedge
Trolls
Home
Boo
and a few new ones in the future?

Regardless.. thats a huge portfolio!

 

[spacemt354]

OK, so sarcasm aside, WDW is getting new things, just like Tokyo is.

So upcoming things for Tokyo include:
* BatB E-ticket and land
* new indoor theater
* BH6 flat ride
* re-skinning of Storm Chasers to a Nemo overlay
* Soarin'
(If I missed anything, please feel free to correct)

The Nemo ride will be coming sooner, but otherwise the rest of the stuff isn't until 2020 or so.

For WDW:
* re-skinned boat rode for Frozen (2016)
* new version of Soarin' (2016)
* Pandora land with flying ride and boat ride (2017)
* Toy Story coaster and flat ride (2018)
* Star Wars land with two rides (2019 or so)

There's also new entertainment (larger Star Wars fireworks, RoL/ToL awakenings, etc.) coming to WDW, but Tokyo might be getting similar things.

So, if you look over these lists, I don't see how Tokyo is getting so much more or better stuff than WDW in upcoming years. And, yes, TDL will be getting other stuff in 2021 and beyond, but probably so will WDW so let's compare it when that stuff comes around.

And even if you want to say that WDW has not had stuff in so long and is overdue and stale, the same is true for Tokyo. They haven't gotten a new ride in years.

The main difference in terms of attractions between Tokyo and WDW is how much better Tokyo has been developed in the past. They build TDS as a complete park from the start, unlike places like DHS or DAK. So the baseline for Tokyo is a lot better. They also upkeep better and refresh things more regularly. These are all good and important things and I commend OLC for their investment and attention. I'm not pretending there isn't a significant difference in terms of how the resorts are right now.

But people who are swooning over the announced Tokyo additions, but dismissive of stuff coming to WDW? I don't get it. WDW is getting a bunch of new and quality additions in upcoming years (finally!) just as much as Tokyo is.

I agree for the most part. Though I think like others were suggesting, it's more about the track record of past additions rather than what's coming.

For now it looks like there's a turn around, but I'd wait and see the results before getting too excited.

 

[ThemeParkJunkee]

I'd go tomorrow if I could. ... There are pros and cons about going at anytime ... and TDR will be seeing lots of work over the next decade. You just have to decide when you want to go and do it ... but please realize you will NEVER view WDW ever the same again. You just won't.

Thank you. I think I have a trip itinerary free in 2017. I will price it out.

 

[HMF]

Will TDL's Haunted Mansion ever get the 2007 WDW enhancements? (or god forbid the 2011 WDW Enhancements?)

 

[Absimilliard]

Will TDL's Haunted Mansion ever get the 2007 WDW enhancements? (or god forbid the 2011 WDW Enhancements?)

I would personally keep it as it is and not add the things like the stairs scene. The ride already has a few more effects than WDW such as the Walking book in the library. It also doesn't need a giant top to bottom refurb like WDW needed before it got the 2007 enhancements.

 

[No Name]

No, it isn't. Frozen is absolutely not canceled ... it just will be later. ... Alice, I'm not sure about. But I do know there is more coming to TDL than just this (and just this would be considered HUGE if it were happening here!)

Phase 3 for WDW is only a possibility at this point.

Okay thanks, yeah, now I realize Frozen and Soarin are on seperate plots. So I assume Frozen, if plans don't fall is not coming until 2021 or later then. And same for Alice. Which is fine if that's the case, and it's still nice to hear the plans are on.

The Alice attraction is planned to be based on some things from the second live-action film, I believe, right? And how well that film will do is still a big ?. Or even how good the movie is, because it doesn't sound superb.

Frozen is pretty much a guaranteed success. It's popularity has naturally faded a tiny bit, but the second movie will reverse that. By the way, I don't love sequels, especially one's being made by WDAS. Uugh, why do I have problems with so many things? Anyway, I can still totally see the Frozen ride coming, I just don't understand why they'd push it back.

You're right, what's announced is huge enough already, but these other rides/areas would be icing on the cake.
Thanks for your opinion and knowledge. Hoping for the best.

 

[Nmoody1]

OK, so sarcasm aside, WDW is getting new things, just like Tokyo is.

So upcoming things for Tokyo include:
* BatB E-ticket and land
* new indoor theater
* BH6 flat ride
* re-skinning of Storm Chasers to a Nemo overlay
* Soarin'
(If I missed anything, please feel free to correct)

The Nemo ride will be coming sooner, but otherwise the rest of the stuff isn't until 2020 or so.

For WDW:
* re-skinned boat rode for Frozen (2016)
* new version of Soarin' (2016)
* Pandora land with flying ride and boat ride (2017)
* Toy Story coaster and flat ride (2018)
* Star Wars land with two rides (2019 or so)

There's also new entertainment (larger Star Wars fireworks, RoL/ToL awakenings, etc.) coming to WDW, but Tokyo might be getting similar things.

So, if you look over these lists, I don't see how Tokyo is getting so much more or better stuff than WDW in upcoming years. And, yes, TDL will be getting other stuff in 2021 and beyond, but probably so will WDW so let's compare it when that stuff comes around.

And even if you want to say that WDW has not had stuff in so long and is overdue and stale, the same is true for Tokyo. They haven't gotten a new ride in years.

The main difference in terms of attractions between Tokyo and WDW is how much better Tokyo has been developed in the past. They build TDS as a complete park from the start, unlike places like DHS or DAK. So the baseline for Tokyo is a lot better. They also upkeep better and refresh things more regularly. These are all good and important things and I commend OLC for their investment and attention. I'm not pretending there isn't a significant difference in terms of how the resorts are right now.

But people who are swooning over the announced Tokyo additions, but dismissive of stuff coming to WDW? I don't get it. WDW is getting a bunch of new and quality additions in upcoming years (finally!) just as much as Tokyo is.

Tokyo is just two parks. Walt Disney World has 4.

There have already been cost cuttings applied to the off the shelf carnival style rides that will feature in WDW, Tokyo rarely cut back on costs. See Tokyo Disney Sea vs. California Adventure and Animal Kingdom.

Star Wars is going to be a clone on either side of the US... Tokyo build new and exclusive.

Tokyo also has further plans ahead - as have already been mentioned.

Every season Tokyo runs new shows, parades and entertainment. They have a new or enhanced parade every year for halloween, christmas and easter - orlando won't even run an easter parade anymore, the other two whilst fun are showing thier ages. Might I add that halloween in Tokyo is included in park tickets... not a seperate hard ticket event.

 

[HMF]

I would personally keep it as it is and not add the things like the stairs scene. The ride already has a few more effects than WDW such as the Walking book in the library. It also doesn't need a giant top to bottom refurb like WDW needed before it got the 2007 enhancements.

You really prefer the big empty void with fake spiders to the Endless Staircase Scene?

 

[Absimilliard]

You really prefer the big empty void with fake spiders to the Endless Staircase Scene?

The stairs look too modern compared to the rest of the house. The transition is really jarring in my view.

 

[Longhairbear]

Frozen is coming.

Where is Frozen going at DL?

 

[BrianLo]

@doctornick is absolutely correct. Tokyo is placed on a pedestal and doesn't deserve to be impervious to criticism much in the same way that WDW can actually receive the occasional bit of praise.

The long and the short of it is this decade (2010-2019) in Tokyo sucked.

Yes it was coming off a previously spectacular decade, yes their maintence is better, yes they care about their parks, yes they actually refurb offerings, yes they don't Nickle and Dime - well most of the time.

But they straight up conceded they considered the parks mature assets for a while that simply could not grow any further. The admission of guilt is fascinating in their annual reports. They admitted their faults, but we are now paying for that general ineptitude marked by an entire decade whose highlight is quite literally going to be Toy Story Midway Mania and Soarin'.

On the other hand, WDW and Tokyo both have wonderful things on their horizons. I look forward to both quite equally, it's silly to overly criticize all the time. Both are well overdue. Lots of exciting E's in the next five years from many parks worldwide.

 

[SirLink]

@doctornick is absolutely correct. Tokyo is placed on a pedestal and doesn't deserve to be impervious to criticism much in the same way that WDW can actually receive the occasional bit of praise.

The long and the short of it is this decade (2010-2019) in Tokyo sucked.

Yes it was coming off a previously spectacular decade, yes their maintence is better, yes they care about their parks, yes they actually refurb offerings, yes they don't Nickle and Dime - well most of the time.

But they straight up conceded they considered the parks mature assets for a while that simply could not grow any further. The admission of guilt is fascinating in their annual reports. They admitted their faults, but we are now paying for that general ineptitude marked by an entire decade whose highlight is quite literally going to be Toy Story Midway Mania and Soarin'.

On the other hand, WDW and Tokyo both have wonderful things on their horizons. I look forward to both quite equally, it's silly to overly criticize all the time. Both are well overdue. Lots of exciting E's in the next five years from many parks worldwide.

Also there was a natural disaster just to be clear which affected the Tokyo resort ... and that isn't just the reason why spending decreased I would look at the relationship between OLC and WDI did sour over this time frame as well.

 

[Macro]

I don't even have the energy to look up the TDR news.. let alone get excited about. Disney's glacial pace on things has beat me into not giving any @$%s until the thing is basically open. No need to chase 'plans' and spend more days talking about why things aren't done yet. They've beaten me into submission. Unless there are daily/weekly construction photo updates.. I really can't find the excitement in tracking Disney projects anymore.

It's not the glacial pace that's taken the fun out of it for me. It's more that I've seen enough of conduit in ditches, metal framing, and HVAC installations. Rockwork at least gives you a sense of the shape of things to come. But the best stuff is inside the show buildings unless you're lucky enough to see them install the interesting part outdoors. Like with a fountain show... World of Color bored most people to death but that one was the best ever for me.

At least those Avatar rocks are flying. Or something. If seen from the proper angle I guess.

 

[ford91exploder]

@doctornick is absolutely correct. Tokyo is placed on a pedestal and doesn't deserve to be impervious to criticism much in the same way that WDW can actually receive the occasional bit of praise.

The long and the short of it is this decade (2010-2019) in Tokyo sucked.

Yes it was coming off a previously spectacular decade, yes their maintence is better, yes they care about their parks, yes they actually refurb offerings, yes they don't Nickle and Dime - well most of the time.

But they straight up conceded they considered the parks mature assets for a while that simply could not grow any further. The admission of guilt is fascinating in their annual reports. They admitted their faults, but we are now paying for that general ineptitude marked by an entire decade whose highlight is quite literally going to be Toy Story Midway Mania and Soarin'.

On the other hand, WDW and Tokyo both have wonderful things on their horizons. I look forward to both quite equally, it's silly to overly criticize all the time. Both are well overdue. Lots of exciting E's in the next five years from many parks worldwide.

In fairness OLC bought into the false narrative Disney was pushing that theme parks were a 'mature' no growth business Until of course UNI proved that was BS. And WDI was pushing unimpressive attractions with a huge price tag which poisoned the relationship between OLC and WDI

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

@doctornick is absolutely correct. Tokyo is placed on a pedestal and doesn't deserve to be impervious to criticism much in the same way that WDW can actually receive the occasional bit of praise.

The long and the short of it is this decade (2010-2019) in Tokyo sucked.

Yes it was coming off a previously spectacular decade, yes their maintence is better, yes they care about their parks, yes they actually refurb offerings, yes they don't Nickle and Dime - well most of the time.

But they straight up conceded they considered the parks mature assets for a while that simply could not grow any further. The admission of guilt is fascinating in their annual reports. They admitted their faults, but we are now paying for that general ineptitude marked by an entire decade whose highlight is quite literally going to be Toy Story Midway Mania and Soarin'.

On the other hand, WDW and Tokyo both have wonderful things on their horizons. I look forward to both quite equally, it's silly to overly criticize all the time. Both are well overdue. Lots of exciting E's in the next five years from many parks worldwide.

I would say the biggest reason they get a pass is that their parks were complete experiences at the beginning of the decade. Expansion is nice and needed, but both TDR parks put WDW's parks to shame when it comes to attraction and entertainment lineups. WDW has put everything off for years just like TDR, only WDW is actually under built.

 

[flynnibus]

It's not the glacial pace that's taken the fun out of it for me. It's more that I've seen enough of conduit in ditches, metal framing, and HVAC installations. Rockwork at least gives you a sense of the shape of things to come. But the best stuff is inside the show buildings unless you're lucky enough to see them install the interesting part outdoors. Like with a fountain show... World of Color bored most people to death but that one was the best ever for me.

At least those Avatar rocks are flying. Or something. If seen from the proper angle I guess.

Good to see you macro! Your work gave these projects so much interest... We got to try to decode what things were... How they'd work... You'd play where's Waldo to spot the difference.. Etc. but most of wdw's locations don't offer the great spying locations if any at all besides planes.

Glad to see you here, hope you hang around!

 

[doctornick]

@doctornick is absolutely correct. Tokyo is placed on a pedestal and doesn't deserve to be impervious to criticism much in the same way that WDW can actually receive the occasional bit of praise.

The long and the short of it is this decade (2010-2019) in Tokyo sucked.

Yes it was coming off a previously spectacular decade, yes their maintence is better, yes they care about their parks, yes they actually refurb offerings, yes they don't Nickle and Dime - well most of the time.

But they straight up conceded they considered the parks mature assets for a while that simply could not grow any further. The admission of guilt is fascinating in their annual reports. They admitted their faults, but we are now paying for that general ineptitude marked by an entire decade whose highlight is quite literally going to be Toy Story Midway Mania and Soarin'.

On the other hand, WDW and Tokyo both have wonderful things on their horizons. I look forward to both quite equally, it's silly to overly criticize all the time. Both are well overdue. Lots of exciting E's in the next five years from many parks worldwide.

Thank you. I think you are expressing my points far better than I could.

The basic thing I was trying to say is that people expressing excitement about these new additions to Tokyo slated to come out by 2020 and I was just pointing out that there are just as much if not more new stuff to be excited about coming to WDW in the same timeframe. It's okay to be excited and interested in both.

 

[Travel Junkie]

I would say the biggest reason they get a pass is that their parks were complete experiences at the beginning of the decade. Expansion is nice and needed, but both TDR parks put WDW's parks to shame when it comes to attraction and entertainment lineups. WDW has put everything off for years just like TDR, only WDW is actually under built.

Also TDR is constantly refreshing shows and go all out for seasonal events. WDW and DLR have an Easter egg hunt for Easter. TDR has tons of decorations a seasonal parade and much more. DCA's 15th anniversary consisted of a pin and a cheesy banner. TDS is having a 15th celebration similar in scale to Disneyland's 60th.

It's the extra small things that are constantly being done in Tokyo that are not being done stateside, specifically WDW as much as the larger projects.