The Spirited 11th Hour ...

englanddg

One Little Spark...
H1B abuse has been a known dirty little "secret" in the IT industry (and frankly other STEM, I'd suspect...if it hasn't started, it's coming) for a little over a decade now. It is pushed by business management types (really hard by people from Harvard and the like, in my personal experience) as "smart economics in a global economy".

But, it ignores some factors.

This guy has a bachelors degree in IT. Now, lets assume he went to, say...University of Central Florida. The world ranking for UCF is 268.

The HIGHEST ranked university from, say, India, is the Indian Institute of Science - Bangalore. The world ranking of this institution? 524.

So, by these metrics, his rather non-prestigious degree (as far as Americans view that college...if they've even heard of it), doesn't make any HR or Business Managers go "wow, he got a really good degree"...cuz, who's ever heard of that piddly little school? I mean, University of Central Florida? He probably majored in gator rasslin' and married his sister, amirite?

And, they think to themselves, why should he be worth more than someone who graduated from the NUMBER ONE UNIVERSITY in India?

This isn't an issue of race, this isn't an issue of protectionism, this isn't xenophobia. This is an issue of business leaders and politicians working as cohorts for short term economic gains and long term economic instability.

Our politicians would tell this man "this is why we support job-training and re-education programs", and the like, without mentioning that this man, likely, has a world class degree, that doesn't grant him world class opportunities. Why? Because, foreign countries actually protect their workers. Except the US, where we seem to despise ours.

Our business leaders, whilst announcing record profits, will say that the labor market is too tight, that skills cannot be found locally (whilst making up arbitrary definitions for those skills, rather than practical ones), and generally laugh all the way to the bank.

It is unacceptable, it is disgraceful.

 
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Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Disney has opened up a Political Action Comittee... called DisneyPAC. They also want white collar employees to make contributions.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ployees-to-chip-in-to-pay-copyright-lobbyists
Disney CEO asks employees to chip in to pay copyright lobbyists
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Oh, hey, do you work here? Mickey could use a little extra cash.

Loren Javier
The Walt Disney Company has a reputation for lobbying hard on copyright issues. The 1998 copyright extension has even been dubbed the “Mickey Mouse Protection Act” by activists like Lawrence Lessig that have worked to reform copyright laws.

This year, the company is turning to its employees to fund some of that battle. Disney CEO Bob Iger has sent a letter to the company’s employees, asking for them to open their hearts—and their wallets—to the company’s political action committee, DisneyPAC.

In the letter, which was provided to Ars by a Disney employee, Iger tells workers about his company's recent intellectual property victories, including stronger IP protections in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a Supreme Court victory that destroyed Aereo, and continued vigilance about the "state of copyright law in the digital environment." It also mentions that Disney is seeking an opening to lower the corporate tax rate.

"With the support of the US Government we achieved a win in the Supreme Court against Aereo—an Internet service claiming the right to retransmit our broadcast signals without paying copyright or retransmission consent fees," writes Iger. "In the coming year, we expect Congress and the Administration to be active on copyright regime issues, efforts to enact legislation to approve and implement the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, tax reform, and more proposals to weaken retransmission consent, to name a few."

The source who provided the letter to Ars asked to remain anonymous, and they were bothered by the assumption that anyone who worked for Disney would agree with the company's political positions on tax, trade, intellectual property, and other matters.

"It just seems insensitive to folks that support the company but don't necessarily support all of its priorities," the source said. "Especially for something like TPP, which I view as particularly controversial. We do have a company position, but there's going to be a wide variety of opinion [within the company]."

The letter concludes with a suggested donation to DisneyPAC. Ars is not publishing the suggested amount in case it is personalized to the source's compensation or position at Disney.

"For your convenience, DisneyPAC has implemented a payroll deduction system, through which your contributions to the PAC will be deducted from your weekly paycheck," Iger explains.

The source received the letter via business mail and doesn't know how many other employees received it.

"I don't know how widely this was distributed," the source said. "Was it to rank and file folks in [theme] parks, to people working in a popcorn stand?"

Disney didn't respond to Ars' requests for comment about the fundraising letter.

Not unusual
Although Iger's letter was, in the view of this employee, somewhat tone-deaf, such requests are not illegal or even particularly uncommon. In 2012, Reuters reported on Citigroup's request to its employees to give to Citi PAC, a political entity that "contributes to candidates on both sides of the aisle that support a strong private sector and promote entrepreneurship."

US corporations are allowed to solicit political contributions as long as donations aren't coerced. The relevant law bars any "threat of a detrimental job action, the threat of any other financial reprisal, or the threat of force" when asking for donations.

The Disney letter has language explicitly reassuring employees that their jobs won't be affected by their decision whether or not to give to DisneyPAC.

"Your contribution is important to all of us, but I want to emphasize that all contributions are voluntary and have no impact on your job status, performance review, compensation, or employment," writes Iger. "Any amount given or the decision not to give will not advantage or disadvantage you."

Iger's compensation in the last fiscal year was $45 million (£32 million).

In the 2014 election cycle, the Disney employees' PAC spent about $375,000, according to OpenSecrets.org. During the current cycle with a presidential election on the way, the company will likely spend more. As of last month, the PAC had raised $295,000 and spent $231,000. The contributions are split roughly evenly between Democrats and Republicans, which is the PAC's policy according to the CEO's letter.

According to a MapLight analysis of the data, Disney employees contributed a total of $4.03 million in all election cycles since 2002. That doesn't include direct employee contributions to candidates, which adds another $1.81 million over the same period.

DisneyPAC fundraising letter to employees
Here's the verbatim text of most of Iger's letter to employees:

As we head into the election year of 2016, the electorate faces significant decisions about the direction of our Nation's future. Besides choosing a new president, we will once again be electing new senators and representatives. These decisions will have a profound impact on the lives of all Americans. The election will also impact issues that affect our company. As such, we will continue to work with our representatives in Congress to ensure that they understand our perspective on critical issues like trade, intellectual property, tax, and travel policies. I write to urge you to consider supporting the Company's efforts through a contribution to DisneyPAC. A well funded DisneyPAC is an important tool in our efforts to maintain our positive profile in Washington.

In the past year, we successfully advocated the Company's position on a number of issues that have a significant impact on our business. We played a major role in ensuring that the "Trade Promotion Authority" legislation set high standards for intellectual property (IP) provisions in our trade negotiations, and we helped get that bill through Congress. We used that language in TPA to advocate successfully for a strong IP chapter in the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade negotiations. We also pushed for provisions to promote digital trade and to reduce barriers in media and entertainment sectors. TPP will establish a strong baseline of protection for intellectual property while breaking down trade barriers in the Asia Pacific region. In both TPA and TPP we had to overcome significant efforts to weaken respect for IP, pushed not only by foreign governments but also from within our own Congress and the Administration.

The fight on these issues is far from over. Last year we spent significant time and effort engaged in a series of government reviews of the state of copyright law in the digital environment.

We also continued to defend our right to be compensated for carriage of our programming by cable and satellite carriers as well as by emerging "over-the-top" services. With the support of the US Government we achieved a win in the Supreme Court against Aereo—an Internet service claiming the right to retransmit our broadcast signals without paying copyright or retransmission consent fees. With respect to tax issues, Congress extended certain provisions that provide favorable tax treatment for film and television production in the US. It also extended this treatment to live theatrical productions. Last year we also worked closely with the Administration on important veterans employment issues—an issue of critical importance for the men and women who defend our country and an area in which our company is proud to play a leadership role.

In the coming year, we expect Congress and the Administration to be active on copyright regime issues, efforts to enact legislation to approve and implement the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, tax reform, and more proposals to weaken retransmission consent, to name a few.

On the trade front, we will also look to build on our achievements in other negotiations this year. 2016 should see significant activity in negotiations between the US and China over a Bilateral Investment Treaty (BIT), continued negotiations with the European Union over the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement, the 50-country Trade in Services Agreement negotiations, and efforts by the US Government to raise IP standards and break down trade barriers through a variety of means.

In 2016, Congress will further discuss various tax reform proposals. While comprehensive reform is unlikely, activity in the coming year will lay the foundation for what many expect to be a genuine opportunity for reform in early 2017. We have been active educating Members of Congress on the importance of lowering the corporate tax rate to be competitive with the rest of the world. The US has one of the highest marginal and effective tax rates among developed countries, creating a significant competitive impediment to companies headquartered in the US.

Congress will continue to be very active on intellectual property issues... After three years of hearings and testimony from 100 witnesses, we now expect the House Judiciary Committee to turn to legislating. We expect significant attention on legislation to modernize the Copyright Office, a small agency that can have an enormous impact on our interests.

And the Copyright Office has launched several proceedings involving possible changes to laws governing the accountability of online services and the laws protecting technologies used to secure distribution of digital content. These discussions obviously have significant implications for a business like ours that is dependent on copyright policy in the face of ongoing change in technology and the marketplace.

We will also need to continue our work to fend off growing and concerted efforts to weaken our ability to freely negotiate the distribution of our broadcast and cable programming. Last year, the FCC teed up several rule makings that could have a significant adverse affect on retransmission consent and how we package and sell our media networks. As the debate becomes much more heated, we will need to remain vigilant.

With all of the challenges we will face this year, it is important that our PAC be strong. We, therefore, respectfully suggest that you consider making a contribution of [REDACTED]. You may give more or less than the suggested amount (although no contribution can exceed $5000 in any year) and any contribution will be appreciated. As always, 100% of your contribution is used in direct support of candidates and political entities that uphold policies and principles that are consistent with the best interests of our company. DisneyPAC contributes equally to Democrats and Republicans each calendar year. For your convenience, DisneyPAC has implemented a payroll deduction system, through which your contributions to the PAC will be deducted from your weekly paycheck. If you prefer, you may instead make a one-time personal contribution to the PAC. Your contribution is important to all of us, but I want to emphasize that all contributions are voluntary and have no impact on your job status, performance review, compensation, or employment. Any amount given or the decision not to give will not advantage or disadvantage you. You have the right to refuse to contribute without reprisal. Your help is truly appreciated.
the nerve of it.. record earnings ever... still asking for people to give them money.. to hire lobbyists.. who might be used to get more VISAS approved for foreigners.. that will take these jobs of those who were asked to give money..

am I right?

Like the employees who just had their hours cut to shreds? I think I know the exact answer they have, but it can't be shared here.

I now imagine some employees imitating mickey's mouse and sending a huge array of insults to Iger in an anonymous way.
 

tissandtully

Well-Known Member
H1B abuse has been a known dirty little "secret" in the IT industry (and frankly other STEM, I'd suspect...if it hasn't started, it's coming) for a little over a decade now. It is pushed by business management types (really hard by people from Harvard and the like, in my personal experience) as "smart economics in a global economy".

But, it ignores some factors.

This guy has a bachelors degree in IT. Now, lets assume he went to, say...University of Central Florida. The world ranking for UCF is 268.

The HIGHEST ranked university from, say, India, is the Indian Institute of Science - Bangalore. The world ranking of this institution? 524.

So, by these metrics, his rather non-prestigious degree (as far as Americans view that college...if they've even heard of it), doesn't make any HR or Business Managers go "wow, he got a really good degree"...cuz, who's ever heard of that piddly little school? I mean, University of Central Florida? He probably majored in gator rasslin' and married his sister, amirite?

And, they think to themselves, why should he be worth more than someone who graduated from the NUMBER ONE UNIVERSITY in India?

This isn't an issue of race, this isn't an issue of protectionism, this isn't xenophobia. This is an issue of business leaders and politicians working as cohorts for short term economic gains and long term economic instability.

Our politicians would tell this man "this is why we support job-training and re-education programs", and the like, without mentioning that this man, likely, has a world class degree, that doesn't grant him world class opportunities. Why? Because, foreign countries actually protect their workers. Except the US, where we seem to despise ours.

Our business leaders, whilst announcing record profits, will say that the labor market is too tight, that skills cannot be found locally (whilst making up arbitrary definitions for those skills, rather than practical ones), and generally laugh all the way to the bank.

It is unacceptable, it is disgraceful.



Not sure how good your example is, UCF is very well known, especially for engineering programs.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Not sure how good your example is, UCF is very well known, especially for engineering programs.
Ok. Lets try this one then.

Lets say they went to the 10th best college in India, The Indian Institute of Technology - Roorkee. World rank 1432. That's the same as going to UTenn Chatt. Which is ranked 332nd in the US.

And, I strongly doubt most of the H1Bs went to the 10th best college in India.

An alma mater I've seen a lot, in my own personal experience, has been University of Mumbai. A fine institution, I take nothing from it...but lets compare. 34th best college in India, 2124 world ranking. That's close to getting a degree from Pittsburg State University. Ranked 478 in the US, and 2133 internationally.

Or, lets have more fun with it, and go slumming in the US university system. DeVry University. Ranked, 875 in the US. 3350 internationally. That is roughly equivalent to going to the Indian Institute of Technology - Ropar, India rank 100, world rank 3340.

My example is very well on point, if you are aware of the political and business climates involved in both the hiring and retention processes, as well as what is said in boardrooms and backrooms when H1B or outsourcing is even considered.

Furthermore, you would support that a university and educational system that is ranked so poorly in comparison to US options, produces vastly more qualified and capable candidates than are available in the US workforce?
 

VJ

Well-Known Member

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
The "rubber refrigerator magnet" type medals are given out for completing 5Ks and kids races. To the best of my knowledge, they are not "participation medals" (otherwise I would not be training to RUN the Darkside 5K).

The upcoming Disney Darkside is the first time DH is running a 10K, but I think that's an actual medal, not plastic. All of the halfs and fulls are awarded medals....for crossing the finish line (again, to the best of my knowledge).
They are real metal. There were so many "winners" walking around with their medals on, the clanking made me feel as if I was being followed by a brigade of armored knights.

Replace medals with coconuts and I would have Monty Python flashbacks.
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
Ok. Lets try this one then.

Lets say they went to the 10th best college in India, The Indian Institute of Technology - Roorkee. World rank 1432. That's the same as going to UTenn Chatt. Which is ranked 332nd in the US.

And, I strongly doubt most of the H1Bs went to the 10th best college in India.

An alma mater I've seen a lot, in my own personal experience, has been University of Mumbai. A fine institution, I take nothing from it...but lets compare. 34th best college in India, 2124 world ranking. That's close to getting a degree from Pittsburg State University. Ranked 478 in the US, and 2133 internationally.

Or, lets have more fun with it, and go slumming in the US university system. DeVry University. Ranked, 875 in the US. 3350 internationally. That is roughly equivalent to going to the Indian Institute of Technology - Ropar, India rank 100, world rank 3340.

My example is very well on point, if you are aware of the political and business climates involved in both the hiring and retention processes, as well as what is said in boardrooms and backrooms when H1B or outsourcing is even considered.

Furthermore, you would support that a university and educational system that is ranked so poorly in comparison to US options, produces vastly more qualified and capable candidates than are available in the US workforce?
Ok. Lets try this one then.

Lets say they went to the 10th best college in India, The Indian Institute of Technology - Roorkee. World rank 1432. That's the same as going to UTenn Chatt. Which is ranked 332nd in the US.

And, I strongly doubt most of the H1Bs went to the 10th best college in India.

An alma mater I've seen a lot, in my own personal experience, has been University of Mumbai. A fine institution, I take nothing from it...but lets compare. 34th best college in India, 2124 world ranking. That's close to getting a degree from Pittsburg State University. Ranked 478 in the US, and 2133 internationally.

Or, lets have more fun with it, and go slumming in the US university system. DeVry University. Ranked, 875 in the US. 3350 internationally. That is roughly equivalent to going to the Indian Institute of Technology - Ropar, India rank 100, world rank 3340.

My example is very well on point, if you are aware of the political and business climates involved in both the hiring and retention processes, as well as what is said in boardrooms and backrooms when H1B or outsourcing is even considered.

Furthermore, you would support that a university and educational system that is ranked so poorly in comparison to US options, produces vastly more qualified and capable candidates than are available in the US workforce?
Amen.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
He's talking about the rubber refrigerator magnet type medallions that Disney gives out for participation. For some reason that threatens his manhood or something. Can't live and let live or get the Disney "spirit" at all.

Even the rubber 5k medals are only awarded when you cross finish line under your own power


The only 'participation ' medals I'm aware of is for the baby and toddler 'races' which is as it should be
 

Furiated

Well-Known Member
As I understand it, 74 is correct and you still get the "finishers" medals whether you actually complete the race or not. When I first started running runDisney races I was worried about not maintining the minimum required pace and getting swept so I looked into what happens when you get swept during a runDisney race. From what I've read, they still give you the medal even when you've been "swept" and removed from the course for not maintining pace. This is a pretty heated topic in the runDisney community as many folks agree that you shouldn't get a finishers medal if you don't finish, and some people have said they got swept and refused to accept the medal. And I've read accounts of people that just cross the starting line and wait to get swept and get their medal and have no intention of running the race, or someone wearing their medal to the park but admitting they didn't actually finish, but thankfully those situations seem to be the minority and not the norm.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Even the rubber 5k medals are only awarded when you cross finish line under your own power

The only 'participation ' medals I'm aware of is for the baby and toddler 'races' which is as it should be
OK, so then what is the problem? If they made it to the end they made it to the end. Does that do any even tiny bit of harm to the person the finished first or second or whatever a recognized finish is? Seriously, there is so much talk about ego's on this board and then we get this bull about how much of an injustice it is that someone that finished last gets a medal. It just plain shameful especially with the apparently tiered love of what Disney stands for. If it doesn't harm my fragile ego it's ok, otherwise it just shouldn't happen.

The witness I had about it was about 5 years ago. I'm sure they ordered some new ones since then AND the person that got it did finish.
 

Fe Maiden

Well-Known Member
My mom tried to get tickets to MSG but they sold out in seconds. So she flew down and joined me here, lol.

Nice! Here's the trick for next time. Wait about 15 minutes. I participated in the pre-sale and went on right at 10am just like everyone else and I couldn't even get 4 seats together, the best offer was 3 seats in the last few rows. I kept trying and the number of seats available was dwindling. I logged back in at 10:15 and got 4 seats together in the first level of the Garden. Apparently we were all just cancelling each other out at 10am.
 

punkabella

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't expect evening EMHs to last much longer.

I feel as though I have heard this warning a few years ago. I think the result at that a few years ago was that EMH were reduced from 3 hours to 2 hours in the evening. I love the evening EMHs, and yes, they help me decide whether to extend my stay at my conference hotel or staying a disney resort for a few days before a conference. I'm headed to WDW in less than two weeks for vacation/conference and am disappointed at the EMH evening hours.. maybe I just caught it at a bad time but there are hardly any EMH times we will be using.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Nice! Here's the trick for next time. Wait about 15 minutes. I participated in the pre-sale and went on right at 10am just like everyone else and I couldn't even get 4 seats together, the best offer was 3 seats in the last few rows. I kept trying and the number of seats available was dwindling. I logged back in at 10:15 and got 4 seats together in the first level of the Garden. Apparently we were all just cancelling each other out at 10am.
Neither of us could get the codes for the pre sale to work so we had to wait till the next day. I'm surprised I was able to get my floor tickets at all.
 

Rteetz

Well-Known Member
I just got back from AoA this week. The morning of my last day I received a "Extend your stay by 1 day for a special price" offer.

Now who in the heck can do that at the last minute??? Is WDW stupid enough to think I am going to spend over $1000 in airline change fees to stay another day even if the hotel was free???
That offer has been it for a while now.
 

BernardandBianca

Well-Known Member
I just got back from AoA this week. The morning of my last day I received a "Extend your stay by 1 day for a special price" offer.

Now who in the heck can do that at the last minute??? Is WDW stupid enough to think I am going to spend over $1000 in airline change fees to stay another day even if the hotel was free???

That assumes that a flight is involved. Not everyone flies to WDW; a number of people do drive. For someone like that, it may make sense.
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
I just got back from AoA this week. The morning of my last day I received a "Extend your stay by 1 day for a special price" offer.

Now who in the heck can do that at the last minute??? Is WDW stupid enough to think I am going to spend over $1000 in airline change fees to stay another day even if the hotel was free???

We've been very close to taking an offer like that, since we had driven down and built in an extra day before either of us had to be back at work.

So, I'm sure some people do take the offer- otherwise Disney wouldn't be offering it. In fact, I would bet that they got the idea in the first place because of the fairly common incidence of guests going to the desk and tacking on one more day.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Here's another interesting one from The Motley Fool:

Disney World and Disneyland Need "Star Wars" Land

The leading theme-park operator offers up new details of its richly themed expansion.

We're getting some -- but unfortunately not enough -- new details on Disney's (NYSE:DIS) potentially transformative Star Wars Land expansion at its theme parks. The media giant offered new concept art of the ambitious 14-acre expansion that will take place at both Disneyland in California, and Disney's Hollywood Studios in Florida.

Wonderful World of Disney: Disneyland 60 -- a look back at 60 years of history at Disney's original theme park -- aired on Disney's ABC on Sunday night. Harrison Ford led a brief segment that offered a brief overview of the planned addition that will cash in on the record-setting movie franchise.

Outside of new concept art, we didn't really learn a lot. There were details of boarding the Millennium Falcon, firing laser cannons, and banking left and right. "You're in complete control," the pitch promised, but we've known since this past summer that one of the two flagship attractions will involve piloting Han Solo's classic light freighter. There were references to a cantina and meeting droids, but those elements are no-brainers in any expansion.

More importantly, once again Disney refused to offer an opening date for Star Wars Land. It's true that Disney's been burned before by offering up promised debut dates that it wasn't able to honor. Shanghai Disneyland and Animal Kingdom's Avatar-themed expansion are just a couple of the big projects that have seen their rollout dates get bumped out later. However, theme-park fans and Disney shareholders alike deserve to know more.

Disney's Hollywood Studios in Florida has closed, or is in the process of closing, several of its attractions to clear the way for the buildout of Star Wars Land. The park is highly unlikely to lower its ticket prices to offset the fewer attractions that will be available for the next few years until Toy Story Land and Star Wars Land will entertain guests. Folks planning their trips a couple of years out may want to know.

We know it will take a long time for patrons to engage in simulated Millennium Falcon piloting experiences. We can use The World of Avatar as a model. Disney announced Animal Kingdom's project in 2011, claiming that these hefty endeavors take five years to see the light of day. Construction would begin in 2013, implying an opening in 2016. The project didn't break ground until 2014, resulting in an announced debut of 2017.

This is the kind of timeline that would make it seem as if we won't see Star Wars Land until 2020, but construction will likely begin a lot sooner than 2017. Disney's already shutting down -- and even demolishing -- former attractions. It's been dismantling Disney's Hollywood Studios for two years.

This also isn't a licensing deal that just happened to come together shortly before it was announced. Disney has owned Lucasfilm since 2012. It has known that Star Wars Land would happen long before it was officially unveiled last summer.

The reluctance to announce a projected opening date until construction actually begins may seem to be the prudent thing to do, but silence makes it seem as if it will take several years before Disney's theme parks benefit from Star Wars Land. It will pay off in the long run, of course, but guarding internal opening forecasts could weigh on the stock's prospects in the near term.​
 

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