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The New Fantasyland
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Figment632
New Member
I'm still very skeptical about these plan, they could gave been easily made by anyone. I had a project a couple of years ago using TL.
Disneydad75
Member
Beyond the unofficial word that these plans are in some way true, having them "leaked" right at the moment when WDW needs some of it's best PR seems to be too much of a coincidence...
"There Is No Such Thing As Coincidence, Just The Illusion Of Coincidence" - V
"There Is No Such Thing As Coincidence, Just The Illusion Of Coincidence" - V
jt04
Well-Known Member
I explained this last night. I think it is much more likely tied to the final piece of DCA entering the construction stage as it is anything else. The blueprint was leaked the day after Carsland broke ground. WDI and TWDC is sending a signal. Pure and simple
Huck
Active Member
It's probably already been mentioned in the pages of posts already(seriously, who has time to read all of these?!), but...
I love the idea of the Castle Wall. I can totally picture this medieval-looking fortress wall. Everything on the Fantasyland side now becomes a part of the "kingdom village" inside the armaments, as-it-were, and the new land is the Enchanted forest outside, complete with streams and waterfalls, gardens and footbridges. It seems clear on the blueprint that pooh and everything past it is also outside the wall. I think it is a very cool concept to create the feeling of a "true" medieval walled city.
I love the idea of the Castle Wall. I can totally picture this medieval-looking fortress wall. Everything on the Fantasyland side now becomes a part of the "kingdom village" inside the armaments, as-it-were, and the new land is the Enchanted forest outside, complete with streams and waterfalls, gardens and footbridges. It seems clear on the blueprint that pooh and everything past it is also outside the wall. I think it is a very cool concept to create the feeling of a "true" medieval walled city.
DisneyDellsDude
New Member
I wouldn't say they're amazing.:lol:
jt04
Well-Known Member
They very much are.
Figment632
New Member
Yea all that space and only one ride does not amaze me. I'd say more like a slight increase in my attention.
jt04
Well-Known Member
EXACTLY. And possibly a second (Beast's castle), third (Mermaid's sea castle) and fourth castle (Rapunzel castle) being added. Rapunzel is my idea, nothing "official".
jakeman
Well-Known Member
There is also another saying that seems to actually work around here:
"If you say it enough times, it will be true."
Someone explain to me the point of continuously pointing out the fact that these plans were leaked two weeks after the monorail crash and a few days after a bus crash?
I didn't see plans coming out of the woodwork when those unfortunate people died on M:S.
I'm not saying that this wasn't done intentionally. I, just like I would venture to say the rest of you, have no proof one way or the other.
Whether it is true or not, it's pretty bad taste to insinuate such without facts in the wake of someone's death in a tragic accident.
DocMcHulk
Well-Known Member
Normally i would agree with you. But I have a list of people on here that I trust, as I am sure you do as well. If one stood up and said "this is bogus", to me, it's bogus. In fact, the opposite has happened. I've seen cloaked affirmations and winks and nodes, but no screams of falsehood.
WishIwasThere
Active Member
I think the one thing that might 'really' convince people is if this mermaid ride is a clone. The blueprint appears to show the ride path through the building, so if we see a ride path through the DCA version and its the same...I think it would safe to assume the blueprints are real. Remember the 'leaked' blueprint showing the TSMM path a couple years ago...that turned out to be the real thing.
jt04
Well-Known Member
You are not the target audience.
Figment632
New Member
So the target audience only wants one ride. As good as the WDW shows and stuff that will be in this expansion are, the majority of people want rides.
Lee
Adventurer
A- The actual ride path is not shown on those plans, so that won't work in this case.
B- Neverless, the plans are real.
No point at all, since there is no connection. These plans were not released by the company.jakeman said:
jt04
Well-Known Member
Iger or Lasseter very clearly said that guests want interactivity. Look at the popularity of TSMM, Buzz and even AIE. The days of the passive D ticket dark ride is over. Disney has to move on while they retain the classics. If you can't see the layers of this new plan then you are not trying. Even HP will only have one ride but Uni is investing millions in all kinds of other environments and activities. We live in the age of the video game. Interactivity and guest participation are essential elements.
And before you ask, I believe LM will have interactive features. I doubt it is a standard dark ride.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
The dark rides have a long history of being an active experience. Trying to compete directly with video games is futile. There is just no way to keep pace. This position also assumes that man in years past did not enjoy active entertainment and recreation. I am also not going to buy into the argument that people need instant stimulation followed by instant stimulation, and are uninterested in more slowly paced fare. Some of the most popular movies of recent years include some rather lengthy running times. It all ultimately boils down to good storytelling, not gimmicks and fads.
jt04
Well-Known Member
You might want to sent Universal a letter stat.
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure I understand all of the complaints that there is "only" one new ride in these plans. Disney usually only builds one new ride when there are expansions. No one complained when Epcot "only" added Soarin' or AK "only" added Everest with a very well-themed bathroom complex. DCA's refurbishment is unprecedented and even it only includes a couple big-name new attractions. Were folks expected a series of 17 new attractions for the new Fantasyland, because honestly, one thing that guests ARE clearly demanding (clearly not many of the guests found on these boards) are nice (air-conditioned) areas to meet the characters. We have been seeing an explosion recently in the number of detailed meet-and-greets, and I have seen the lines that the fairies get in ToonTown Fair. There is clearly demand. Now there will be more space to eat up all of those character-crazed folks (in locations far better themed than circus tents) so they won't be as busy using your Space Mountain Fastpasses and, even better, there will be more space for all those strollers that are plaguing the Magic Kingdom. Dumbo, which I think has become very dated, would be moved and rethemed to become a 21st century spinny ride, the Aladdin ride that folks here have complained about since it opened would be removed, opening up Adventureland, and we'll get some gorgeous new theming in what is currently a very hot, concrete-filled Fantasyland that many here seem to report avoiding on their vacations. I think this would be a fantastic improvement, and we get what is supposedly a stellar new ride, to boot?
I think another appeal of a plan like this is that they could actually get it done by Fall 2011 if they want a 40th celebration. It would be very hard to build a completely new E-Ticket by then, but cosmetic changes, new meet and greets, and a clone? Very doable over the next two years. A fourth mountain? Not so much.
I think another appeal of a plan like this is that they could actually get it done by Fall 2011 if they want a 40th celebration. It would be very hard to build a completely new E-Ticket by then, but cosmetic changes, new meet and greets, and a clone? Very doable over the next two years. A fourth mountain? Not so much.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
There's some room behind the mountains, but that could get very congested. They could also start filling the river...
Fair enough, it's just so hard not to armchair when blueprints are leaked.
The one part about these new rumored plans that keeps getting at me, though, is this Barnstormer issue. I think it would just have to be re-themed, and at the time of these plans, the ideas for re-theming had not been fleshed out yet.
On another note, I absolutely love the idea of Gaston's restaurant.
If they were to really theme the Barnstormer, and extend it to be a mine trane coaster, I could see how that would take up a substantial part of the budget to the point where it may be shelved. They could still probably sell the coaster without the theming, as it still has value as a Junior Coaster.
Are the plans real in as much as they came from Disney or are they real in as much as this is the current plan lined up for Fantasyland and we can expect this full refurbishment as we see on the blueprints?