The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[mickEblu]

I think a lot of shareholders are probably conflicted. Those that would have opposed this on any supposed moral grounds likely already sold the stock. Most finance folks are largely socially progressive.

As a small shareholder myself: Where there is legitimate concern (and I don’t take any joy in saying this) is for broader cast member and guest safety.

There is a risk that things like this become so politicized that the company is left with a Sophie’s choice:

1) place the employee in a guest-facing role as is their right but at an enhanced security risk since they’ve been doxxed on socials; or

2) open the company up to greater risk a state/federal employment discrimination claim and negative headlines with a core contingency of their customer base by attempting to steer said employee to either a less guest facing role and/or imposing an attempt at gender normative attire.

I wasn’t even referring to social stuff. I’m taking about money. If this all leads to a loss in profit. It’s one thing have a few random dude CMs with nail polish on. But that video yesterday is striking. It’s one step below having Male princess at the park. We have arrived. So curious to see what comes of this.

As for # 2 right, once they make these bold decisions they put themselves between a rock and a hard place.

Personally I’d love to see this experiment fail but I’m not holding my breath. When a movie like Strange World loses money it’s easier to tie back to why that might be. How can you prove the parks are losing money because of this stuff? It would have to be swift and massive loses.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So how does this end? Does this guy get another shift this week? The difference between Budweiser and Disney is many of Disneys customers are sympathetic to something like this. Still playing with fire though and I can’t imagine shareholders are happy with any of this.

Maybe we can start a campaign so that you lose income because we don’t like how you dress? Does that seem fine with you?

 

[mickEblu]

Maybe we can start a campaign so that you lose income because we don’t like how you dress? Does that seem fine with you?

This doesn’t make any sense on many levels.

 

[PiratesMansion]

This doesn’t make any sense on many levels.

That's literally what some people are doing. Filming Queer people who are just *existing* and minding their own business in public, or pride merchandise, then inspiring hoardes of people to threaten that individual/business until they that person/merchandise they don't like is removed and otherwise made invisible.

Because Queer people *just existing in public* is such a threat to some people that many are straight up escalating to intimidation, threats, or violence on anyone on anyone (rightfully or not) perceived to be anything other than 100% straight. And some feel so strongly that they are openly posting these things on social media and facing zero consequences, which further embolden others to do the same.

It sounds ridiculous to you because you, a married straight person with kids, have never had to worry about being your authentic self in public. But all of the things I mentioned above are very much happening to LGBTQ people all over the country now.

 

[Phroobar]

Well I’m sure that little girl he kindly waved too didn’t care one single bit. Thank god her parents are adults. I’m sure there are no female cowboys at Knotts so grab your pistol and feel free to be safe over there.

The cowgirls at Knott's are hot.

 

[DCBaker]

"The Soarin’ Around the World single rider line has returned at Disney California Adventure, allowing solo riders and visitors willing to break up their parties to skip the bulk of the queue and fill in empty seats on the attraction."

Disneyland lets Soarin’ riders skip the line for free — here’s how

The Soarin’ Around the World single rider line has returned at Disney California Adventure, allowing solo riders to skip the bulk of the queue and fill in empty seats on the attraction.

www.ocregister.com

 

[Californian Elitist]

This doesn’t make any sense on many levels.

Right. That’s our point.

 

[mickEblu]

That's literally what some people are doing. Filming Queer people who are just *existing* and minding their own business in public, or pride merchandise, then inspiring hoardes of people to threaten that individual/business until they that person/merchandise they don't like is removed and otherwise made invisible.

Because Queer people *just existing in public* is such a threat to some people that many are straight up escalating to intimidation, threats, or violence on anyone on anyone (rightfully or not) perceived to be anything other than 100% straight. And some feel so strongly that they are openly posting these things on social media and facing zero consequences, which further embolden others to do the same.

It sounds ridiculous to you because you, a married straight person with kids, have never had to worry about being your authentic self in public. But all of the things I mentioned above are very much happening to LGBTQ people all over the country now.

So for 1000’s of years there were dudes with mustaches just waiting to go out in public in a dress and make up? I don’t think he’s being his authentic self. I think he’s doing it to get attention and because he can.

How would you feel about a male princess at the park? I mean we’re weeks away at this rate. I’m guessing you re good with that too? Or how about a princess with a beard?

 

[Californian Elitist]

So all these 1000’s of years there were dudes with mustaches just waiting to go out in public in a dress and make up? I don’t think he’s being his authentic self. I think he’s doing it to get attention and because he can.

How would you feel about a male princess at the park? I mean we’re weeks away at this rate. I’m guessing you re good with that too? Or how about a princess with a beard?

I don’t think you actually enjoy Disneyland. You more than likely go a bunch of times just so you can talk about your visits here for attention because you can.

 

[mickEblu]

I don’t think you actually enjoy Disneyland. You more than likely go a bunch of times just so you can talk about your visits here for attention because you can.

K

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

So all these 1000’s of years there were dudes with mustaches just waiting to go out in public in a dress and make up?

Drag does date back to Shakespeare and Vaudeville.

I’m a straight man but I just don’t think this bothers me. Same attitude as I had toward the “red head” scene in Pirates, or Red Dress Jessica Rabbit, or Satan in Toad, etc. Sanitizing this type of stuff for kids who likely won’t understand is seems like overthinking it. At worst it seems like an opportunity for the parents to have a conversation about it on their terms.

 

[Californian Elitist]

K

Ridiculous, right?

 

[mickEblu]

Drag does date back to Shakespeare and Vaudeville.

I’m a straight man but I just don’t think this bothers me. Same attitude as I had toward the “red head” scene in Pirates, or Red Dress Jessica Rabbit, or Satan in Toad, etc. Sanitizing this type of stuff for kids who likely won’t understand is seems like overthinking it. At worst it seems like an opportunity for the parents to have a conversation about it on their terms.

Yes and they stuck to nightclubs. They weren’t at Disneyland confusing kids.

They also tried to look like women.

 

[mickEblu]

At what point does “progress” merely become a game of people pushing the envelope simply for the sake of ruffling feathers and disrupting the status quo?

 

[Californian Elitist]

Yes and they stuck to nightclubs. They weren’t at Disneyland confusing kids.

They also tried to look like women.

Why are you assuming that the kids are confused? And even if some are, so? Explain to them that some men wear dresses and make-up. Kids will understand, they’re not dumb.

 

[mickEblu]

Gen Z are just a bunch of trolls that grew up with social media and know how to use it to their advantage.

Edit: not all of them. Don’t want to generalize too much.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So for 1000’s of years there were dudes with mustaches just waiting to go out in public in a dress and make up?

Back when men wore things like togas?

 

[Parteecia]

How would you feel about a male princess at the park? I mean we’re weeks away at this rate. I’m guessing you re good with that too? Or how about a princess with a beard?

Only if they had a movie or series first. They still cast characters in the parks to match the looks.

 

[mickEblu]

Why are you assuming that the kids are confused? And even if some are, so? Explain to them that some men wear dresses and make-up. Kids will understand, they’re not dumb.

I know you don’t have kids but do you really think an 8 year old won’t have questions when they see the dude from Bibiddi Boutique?

I honestly think this will not end well. And I think this stuff is just going to create more division than anything. If my son asks I would say something along the lines of “he’s not well”, “he’s confused” or “he thinks he’s a girl.” I’m definitely not saying “now Hunny it’s normal, guys can wear dresses…”

 

[BubbaisSleep]

The cowgirls at Knott's are hot.

I’m glad she was qualified to work there. She looks bad*** honestly!! I love Knotts!