The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

SuddenStorm

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Apparently first thing on his agenda is stopping the Splash Mountain conversion.










No but I wish.

Is it sad that the first thing I thought when I read that was 'maybe there's hope?'.

It's actually kind of refreshing news.

Though honestly it does sort of reflect poorly on Iger how poorly his succession plan went. I skimmed the article and it sounds like the board is going to prioritize making sure the next CEO isn't a dud.
 

BasiltheBatLord

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It's a holiday miracle! Not that Iger is perfect. But I'd take his era of Disney way over Chapek's.

It would be interesting to see if Iger axes any of the stuff in the pipeline for WDW or DL.
I'm curious if there's going to be changes coming to park operations, particularly re: reservations and Genie+. Even if those things originated with Iger, this CEO switch is clearly a panic move to right the ship, so they may be taking another look at some of the more unpopular changes.
 
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mickEblu

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It's a holiday miracle! Not that Iger is perfect. But I'd take his era of Disney way over Chapek's.

It would be interesting to see if Iger axes any of the stuff in the pipeline for WDW or DL.

Like maybe Splash? From just a pure cost cutting perspective. Maybe even a lengthy delay of wasting those resources at a time like this. Still, I’m not sure how much of a win Splash staying around in its current miserable condition is. The hope I guess would be that the conversion gets delayed and then quietly goes away. And at some point Splash gets a decent refurb. That’s a lot of wishful thinking though.
 

PiratesMansion

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I'm curious if there's going to be changes coming to park operations, particularly re: reservations and Genie+. Even if those things originated with Iger, this CEO switch is clearly a panic move designed to right the ship, so they may be taking another look at some of the more unpopular changes.
You know, apart from the shock of this announcement, I'm not expecting much. I doubt there will be changes. Genie was announced before Iger left. Reservations weren't his fault, but since the company perceives them to be of help, I doubt they're going anywhere.

Unless I'm misremembering, I don't believe there's been any indication that Iger was displeased with how Chapek ran the theme park division-if Iger had been, Chapek wouldn't have been named his successor. Any negatives from Iger about Chapek seemed to stem entirely from how Chapek ran the company after Iger left.

And really, everything that came to be unpopular with Chapek's leadership was at least a side effect of Iger's strategies and priorities. Chapek's choices directly descended from Iger's. The bad ideas were just harder to notice when Iger called the shots because "the good Bob" had some level of charisma and knew how to sell things and talk to people. Chapek did not.

Any theme park-related epiphanies on their part are unlikely to occur, IMO, unless Bob takes a walk around a Disney park and suddenly cares about the poor shape the attractions are in, something that wasn't the case in at the very least Florida before he left.

Like maybe Splash? From just a pure cost cutting perspective. Maybe even a lengthy delay of wasting those resources at a time like this. Still, I’m not sure how much of a win Splash staying around in its current miserable condition is. The hope I guess would be that the conversion gets delayed and then quietly goes away. And ar some point Splash gets a decent refurb. That’s a lot of wishful thinking though.
Iger was explicitly anti-SOTS from the get-go and, if the timeline of the Splash revamp matches what @GiveMeTheMusic and others have said, it would have begun serious planning before Iger left the first time around. This is unlikely to affect Splash in the slightest.
 
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SuddenStorm

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Like maybe Splash? From just a pure cost cutting perspective. Maybe even a lengthy delay of wasting those resources at a time like this. Still, I’m not sure how much of a win Splash staying around in its current miserable condition is. The hope I guess would be that the conversion gets delayed and then quietly goes away. And ar some point Splash gets a decent refurb. That’s a lot of wishful thinking though.

Hey let's be wishful. It would be wild if he came in and started undoing a ton of Chapek's nonsense. It's crazy to think of how much has happened the last few years that's just over the top ridiculous.
 

mickEblu

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You know, apart from the shock of this announcement, I'm not expecting much. I doubt there will be changes. Genie was announced before Iger left. Reservations weren't his fault, but since the company perceives them to be of help, I doubt they're going anywhere.

Unless I'm misremembering, I don't believe there's been any indication that Iger was displeased with how Chapek ran the theme park division-if he had been, he wouldn't have been named his successor. Any negatives from Iger about Chapek seemed to stem entirely from how Chapek ran the company after Iger left.

And really, everything that came to be unpopular with Chapek's leadership was at least a side effect of Iger's strategies and priorities. Chapek's choices directly descended from Iger's. The bad ideas were just harder to notice when Iger called the shots because "the good Bob" had some level of charisma and knew how to sell things and talk to people. Chapek did not.

Any theme park-related epiphanies on their part are unlikely to occur, IMO, unless Bob takes a walk around a Disney park and suddenly cares about the poor shape the attractions are in, something that wasn't the case in at the very least Florida before he left.


Iger was explicitly anti-SATS from the getgo and, if the timeline of the Splash revamp matches what @GiveMeTheMusic and others have said, it would have begun serious planning before Iger left the first time around. This is unlikely to affect Splash in the slightest.

Ya I know. A man can dream though
 

PiratesMansion

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Hey let's be wishful. It would be wild if he came in and started undoing a ton of Chapek's nonsense. It's crazy to think of how much has happened the last few years that's just over the top ridiculous.
Essentially everything Chapek did was a continuation of things that Iger was already doing. The only things that you really can't blame Iger for are the theme park reservations and Magic Keys.
 

BasiltheBatLord

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Essentially everything Chapek did was a continuation of things that Iger was already doing. The only things that you really can't blame Iger for are the theme park reservations and Magic Keys.
Possibly the Don't Say Gay stuff too. I'm not picking any side or trying to get political, but that was a very public political firestorm the likes of which the company had never gone through before. Granted I think you could argue that in today's polarized, culture war obsessed America it was bound to happen to the company eventually regardless of who was CEO.
 

SuddenStorm

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Nland316

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Possibly the Don't Say Gay stuff too. I'm not picking any side or trying to get political, but that was a very public political firestorm the likes of which the company had never gone through before. Granted I think you could argue that in today's polarized, culture war obsessed America it was bound to happen to the company eventually regardless of who was CEO.
Agree 100%. While I do agree about the inevitably thing you mention, Chapek’s handling of it in any regard was horrific. If it were Iger for instance, the situation would have been handled so much better — regardless of whichever road he would’ve taken with it.
 

PiratesMansion

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Possibly the Don't Say Gay stuff too. I'm not picking any side or trying to get political, but that was a political firestorm the likes of which the company had never gone through before. Granted I think you could argue that in today's polarized, culture war obsessed America it was bound to happen eventually regardless of who was CEO.
Iger undoubtedly would have handled it better. MUCH better.

As CEO he reacted swiftly to laws he disagreed with or felt the company should take a stand against. The company never suffered any significant blowback, and in some cases what happened with legislation, policies, etc. was changed because of how Iger engaged Disney and himself in those conversations.

Chapek consistently waffled and clearly lacked any sort of strength or conviction to meet the moment. With every choice, he made the situation worse.
 
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Disney Irish

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BTW, if anyone is under the delusion that things are going to change immediately with Iger back especially at the Parks, keep dreaming.

This is a pure stock move to stabilize the stock and calm Wall Street fears.

So reservations are staying, Tiana is still happening, and price increases are still in place. Nothing is really going to change much especially in the near term.
 

DrAlice

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BTW, if anyone is under the delusion that things are going to change immediately with Iger back especially at the Parks, keep dreaming.

This is a pure stock move to stabilize the stock and calm Wall Street fears.

So reservations are staying, Tiana is still happening, and price increases are still in place. Nothing is really going to change much especially in the near term.
While I suspect you are correct, Iger actually understands what the Disney brand is. He gets that it is a creative company at it's core. I'm hopeful that internal decisions about creative hiring will be better. For example, I'm hopeful that the move of WDI to Florida is off the table. Best case scenario, they bring back some of the creatives that left because they didn't want to move.

I guess we'll see where this goes. You can put me on the optimisitc list. :)
 

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