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Well I’m not here to fight you on it but quite frankly I’m not sure people are wrong for assuming you’re coming at this from an anti-lgbtq angle.I stand by what I said in that post and about Demi Lovato
Well I’m not here to fight you on it but quite frankly I’m not sure people are wrong for assuming you’re coming at this from an anti-lgbtq angle.I stand by what I said in that post and about Demi Lovato
I agree that there is discussion to be had surrounding marketing. Motives, tone, and intention are everything, though. When it sounds like it’s coming from a bigoted viewpoint, well…I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you’ve changed since then. But just to be honest it’s easy to see why people have jumped to the worst conclusions. I think there’s actually a good discussion to be had about insincere marketing.
They need to give Pinocchio some of the love the other FL dark rides have gotten. While they’re at it remove the depressing salt mines(?) scene for an underwater scene
Well I’m not here to fight you on it but quite frankly I’m not sure people are wrong for assuming you’re coming at this from an anti-lgbtq angle.
I agree that there is discussion to be had surrounding marketing. Motives, tone, and intention are everything, though. When it sounds like it’s coming from a bigoted viewpoint, well…
I don’t follow Disneyland on IG, but taking a quick look, most of the things they’ve posted don’t even seem to include guests. There are a few Pride posts in the screenshots below, but the other two with guests include one seemingly heterosexual white couple and one black or black biracial child.
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EDIT: I also see one Asian child.
I agree wholeheartedly!
I re-watched Pinocchio last summer for the first time since I was a child, and was taken aback by how much warmth there is in that film. You wouldn't know it from the ride, haha. Such a dour experience. How about an update that includes more Geppetto, Figaro, Jiminy, Blue Fairy, even Monstro -- and less salt mines and crying children. As is, the ride is just a bummer.
And yeah, the underwater sequence is probably the most charming and dazzling in the film. Not sure why it's absent in the attraction.
I'm a big fan of the subtle Peter Pan and Alice plus-ups, but I'd be down for a more substantial reimagining of Daring Journey (like they did with Snow White).
Got it. I’ll take a look at that page.I think it’s mostly the photo pass account (or whatever ends up on my Instagram feed) but I’m not even sure.
I believe that all Marketing sincerely wants to maximize sales. It's usually their metric. It's nothing personal but the opposite; they don't want to alienate any money.there is a good discussion to be had about insincere marketing.
Yup.then I realize that they are trying to send a sales message to prospective guests that all wallets are welcome.
And this is what is disappointing. We are at a point where people automatically assume the worst for what the original poster asked out of curiosity, not at all from a point of condemning a lifestyle. It is absolutely possible to be fully supportive of LGBTQ but still wonder why Disney is doing something.Well I’m not here to fight you on it but quite frankly I’m not sure people are wrong for assuming you’re coming at this from an anti-lgbtq angle.
Yes but if you’ve read that last page you know that’s factually not the case here.It is absolutely possible to be fully supportive of LGBTQ but still wonder why Disney is doing something.
Yeah by sincere I meant “appears sincere”I believe that all Marketing sincerely wants to maximize sales. It's usually their metric.
Choice of wording is important here. The topic is an interesting one, but the way it is worded is arguably microaggressive and just off overall. It starts off being on the defense with “no offense to some of our gay friends here.” I’d also say that starting the post by asking if “straight people still exist to Disney” is also problematic. The post later describes Disney’s social media posts depicting gay people, people of color, including blacks and Hispanics, and interracial families as being “over the top.”And this is what is disappointing. We are at a point where people automatically assume the worst for what the original poster asked out of curiosity, not at all from a point of condemning a lifestyle. It is absolutely possible to be fully supportive of LGBTQ but still wonder why Disney is doing something.
I can understand where you might feel this way but I still feel the question was innocent and not meant to be divisive. I guess I'm giving @mickEblu the benefit of the doubt.Choice of wording is important here. The topic is an interesting one, but the way it is worded is arguably microaggressive and just off overall. It starts off being on the defense with “no offense to some of our gay friends here.” I’d also say that starting the post by asking if “straight people still exist to Disney” is also problematic. The post later describes Disney’s social media posts depicting gay people, people of color, including blacks and Hispanics, and interracial families as being “over the top.”As a black woman, I couldn’t help but raise my eyebrow there, and I would bet that some of my gay friends here who read that probably had the same reaction. It doesn’t sound welcoming at all. Our initial reactions weren’t far-fetched.
Again, wording is everything, and as stated before, there is valuable conversation to be had surrounding this topic. If I had written the post, I would have worded it as such, mostly with discussion questions:
Let’s talk about the way Disneyland markets itself to guests. Looking at statistics (assuming the numbers and data are out there), straight, white people are the DLR’s primary demographic. However, I’ve noticed that many social media posts include depictions of gay people, people of color, and interracial families. What do you think of this marketing strategy? Do you find it somewhat misleading or is there value in showing depictions of the respective minority groups? What do you think it says about our current society as it relates to inclusion? Do you think this marketing strategy is working? Etc., etc., etc.
I believe this wording is way more appropriate and less divisive. Then again, I’m coming from a different perspective and have different views. Again, wording is everything. Tone, too. We can have this discussion, but it would have been better to have received a more welcoming introduction to the topic.
Choice of wording is important here. The topic is an interesting one, but the way it is worded is arguably microaggressive and just off overall. It starts off being on the defense with “no offense to some of our gay friends here.” I’d also say that starting the post by asking if “straight people still exist to Disney” is also problematic. The post later describes Disney’s social media posts depicting gay people, people of color, including blacks and Hispanics, and interracial families as being “over the top.”As a black woman, I couldn’t help but raise my eyebrow there, and I would bet that some of my gay friends here who read that probably had the same reaction. It doesn’t sound welcoming at all. Our initial reactions weren’t far-fetched.
Again, wording is everything, and as stated before, there is valuable conversation to be had surrounding this topic. If I had written the post, I would have worded it as such, mostly with discussion questions:
Let’s talk about the way Disneyland markets itself to guests. Looking at statistics (assuming the numbers and data are out there), straight, white people are the DLR’s primary demographic. However, I’ve noticed that many social media posts include depictions of gay people, people of color, and interracial families. What do you think of this marketing strategy? Do you find it somewhat misleading or is there value in showing depictions of the respective minority groups? What do you think it says about our current society as it relates to inclusion? Do you think this marketing strategy is working? Etc., etc., etc.
I believe this wording is way more appropriate and less divisive. Then again, I’m coming from a different perspective and have different views. Again, wording is everything. Tone, too. We can have this discussion, but it would have been better to have received a more welcoming introduction to the topic.
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