The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

mickEblu

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Maybe I don't have the right to ask this, but....

Can we please get back to Disney topics? Or, at least, would you please move this conversation to its own thread that I can more easily avoid?

Signed,
A teacher that doesn't want to think about how dangerous her job has become while reading her Disney escapism forum. 😥

Sure but first- would you feel safer if there were 3 guards with rifles protecting the school?

I understand how you feel. Im a parent with a son in Kindergarten and a daughter who will be going to school in a couple years.
 

mlayton144

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Yeah this is all great but won’t do much to ease the suffering of a parent who’s kid gets shot at a school shooting in the next 10 years +

I don’t agree - maybe it’s 10 kids getting shot instead of 20? Maybe one of these deranged kids gets busted on gun violations. Sorry if I missed your suggestions ? Serious topic worth debating
 

mickEblu

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I don’t agree - maybe it’s 10 kids getting shot instead of 20? Maybe one of these deranged kids gets busted on gun violations. Sorry if I missed your suggestions ? Serious topic worth debating

I just suggested armed guards with rifles at every school in America to protect children NOW while the suggested laws takes years to pass and then even more time to actually help.
 

mlayton144

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I just suggested armed guards with rifles at every school in America to protect children NOW while the suggested laws takes years to pass and then even more time to actually help.

Ok , I hear that , as long as plain clothes , we don’t want a school prison , I know where I live out in NJ no way in hell someone just walks into a school without being stopped - gun or no gun. You push a call button , show your drivers license , THEN enter a secure vestibule where you are questioned why you are there , and then granted access if everything checks out - I feel very safe but this isn’t Texas I guess
 

mickEblu

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Ok , I hear that , as long as plain clothes , we don’t want a school prison , I know where I live out in NJ no way in hell someone just walks into a school without being stopped - gun or no gun. You push a call button , show your drivers license , THEN enter a secure vestibule where you are questioned why you are there , and then granted access if everything checks out - I feel very safe but this isn’t Texas I guess

Yeah I know nobody wants a school prison, myself included, until your child’s school is on the news. Then you wish it was a school prison. I’m not sure the clothes matter if the rifles are exposed. The rate at which these shootings are happening we have to start considering “school prisons” unfortunately. This will be my last post as I would like to respect Dr Alice’s request.
 

mlayton144

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Yeah I know nobody wants a school prison, myself included, until your child’s school is on the news. Then you wish it was a school prison. I’m not sure the clothes matter if the rifles are exposed. The rate at which these shootings are happening we have to start considering “school prisons” unfortunately. This will be my last post as I would like to respect Dr Alice’s wishes.

I vote no to that - but you can feel how you want. Uniformed Police with long guns aren’t exactly conducive to a safe feeling for kids to spend most of their waking hours
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
So you pass some laws and everything gets better overnight? All the guns disappear?
No one said it would be solved overnight. But it is possible to get gun laws passed in this country, its only takes the will of the people.

But we have to stop thinking about this as just "deal with the gunman" issue with mental health, arming school security, and such. That is important but only goes so far. The only way to truly stop gun violence like this is to pass actual gun laws that keep the guns out of their hands in the first place. In addition to restricting certain types of weapons from hitting the streets in the first place, just like we used to have in the 90s.
 

PiratesMansion

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This picture just came up in my Instagram feed. Completely forgot that they went with all white vehicles for the Peoplemover at some point. No wonder I only rode them 2 or 3x as a kid. Slow and boring to look at? Why did move away from the original color scheme? According to the caption the pic was taken at some point in the early 80s on which means I never saw colored People Mover vehicles in my lifetime.

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They must have gone back to color before the ride was removed-Disneyland Fun, shot around 1990, clearly shows colored Peoplemover vehicles at one point. Fittingly, the lyric when the Peoplemover goes by is "everything is satisfactual."
Yea I read that story yesterday. Terrible. It’s time that every school has multiple armed guards. If we have 40 billion to send Ukraine we have the money for this.

I think we need all of this stuff too but as a last line of defense their should be well qualified and well paid security guards with rifles. Not one lame-o with a pistol. Don’t want to wait 1000 years for the mental health in this country to improve or for gun laws to actually do anything. Bad guys will still find a way to get guns, no matter what the laws are. We need to do something with immediate results in addition to stricter gun laws etc.

Can you guys suggest anything that would have better short term results ?
As a teacher, I get the desire to make things like this happen, but it's just not practical. Not because the schools don't care about the safety of their kids. Far from it. But inevitably that funding would have to come from school budgets that are already stretched to the breaking point in many places. In an ideal world, such funding would be in addition to existing budgets, but that's just not what tends to happen in most of this country. Any cost associated with this would come at the expense of materials, building updates and maintenance, social services, and so on, all of which are incredibly necessary. And, frankly, I'm not sure that it's realistic or cost effective to staff multiple armed guards at every school building in this country (and even if that worked, at what point would it cease to be a school and morph into a prison with better branding? But I digress).

Most schools already have cops/School Resource Officers in the building, including the very school where this shooting took place. However, it is not a given that SROs are definitively beneficial-there has been plenty of writing over the years showing that SRO being present makes it more likely that kids are sent to prisons at younger ages, particularly minority students (https://www.aclu-wa.org/story/school-resource-officers-when-cure-worse-disease) and there was at least one school district in Illinois where SROs were literally ticketing misbehaving students for various behaviors, including things as relatively mild as talking loudly, littering, or breaking a soap dish: https://www.propublica.org/article/illinois-school-police-tickets-fines. Literally writing tickets and students going to court for things that could have been handled at the principal's office. As more research comes out, it's becoming clearer that putting SROs in buildings is more of an illusion than a genuine benefit. Putting even basic gun control laws in place nationwide would be a far cheaper and more effective long term solution.

You don't hear about massive shootings in other countries we regularly compare themselves to because they have effective gun control laws. As you said above, sure, we have a lot of diversity, etc. in cultures and so on, but so does Europe, and European countries are not the lily-white culturally homogeneous places that some people may imagine them to be. If they can do it, so can we.
 
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Disney Irish

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I would also add that countries like Japan have it right. They have a country of 127M but only ~10 gun related deaths a year.

If a Japanese person wants to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. Once all passed, then they can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns or assault style weapons — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.

This is what we need in this country.
 

chadwpalm

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In the Parks
No
I’ll be in the parks this weekend. Anything you guys want me to do, see, check out, report on?

Maybe a pic with Boba Fett?
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
I’ll be in the parks this weekend. Anything you guys want me to do, see, check out, report on?

Maybe a pic with Boba Fett?

Try the toasted cheese Birria sandwich at Jolly Holiday and Passionfruit Mint Julep from the Mint Julep bar. Sandwich was pretty good. A little rich but perfect to share.
 

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