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The Miscellaneous Thought Thread
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TP2000
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Exactly.
Will and Jada both clearly have issues with each other. But they should keep their dirty laundry off of national television, and stop assaulting comedians.
That's what all of the late night comedians said. Well, the assaulting part.
Do you think Will would've done it if Chris wasn't smaller than him?
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CaptinEO
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They turn their dirty laundry into an online video podcast where they talk about all their issues every week. It's bold but also you realize how much issues there are.
A friend sent me a clip I couldnt believe where its 3 generations of women in the Smith family having a conversation on camera for an hour while steaming their genitals.
No amount of money can fix their problems.
Californian Elitist
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The Adrien Brody and Halle Berry incident is another prime example.Wow. I am not of the MTV generation so I didn't know about this. I was thinking of Adrien Brody and Halle Berry.
I would bet that the men in the skits knew in advance what would happen.
This was disheartening to me:
Trey was mixed in among the entourage and Jaden was proudly defending his father as he circulated, telling Chalamet: “That’s how you respect a woman.”
Oscars parties deliver on good times following a tense telecast
Several Times reporters offered dispatches of late-night revelry from Will Smith dancing to "Drive My Car's" cake mobile.www.latimes.com
I’m unbothered by Jaden Smith’s words. Putting myself in his shoes, I’d be ed if someone came for my mother like that (and this is not the first time Chris Rock has had Jada’s name in his mouth). As their child, I’m not surprised at all, nor mad at Jaden for taking that stance with his mom and dad.
TP2000
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Great point! I doubt it. That's a fight calculus every man makes instantly before they throw the first punch.
Would Will have done that if it was Dwayne Johnson hosting that Oscars segment and Dwayne Johnson made a GI Jane hairdo joke about Jada's buzzed haircut? Nope.
In the stories I've read the past 48 hours, it appears that Chris Rock has poked fun at both of them before. On the one hand, that's not fun for anyone to be made fun of. But on the other hand, Will and Jada Smith are not just anyone; they are ridiculously wealthy and extremely privileged people living at the top 1% of society and they should understand that a big comedian gets to poke fun at you on awards shows, TV variety shows, late night talk shows, etc. That's been part of the deal since radio arrived in every home 100 years ago.
For Reference, See: Don Rickles. Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts. Johnny Carson. Laugh-In. Saturday Night Live. David Letterman. Kathy Griffin. Any topical comedian in any nightclub in America circa 1965-2020.
As the conversation around this assault continues in the media this week, it's obvious that the tide has turned against Will Smith. You just can't pull that stunt and get away with it. It's fascinating that the Dolby Theatre audience was so quick to move on and give a standing ovation and pretend to be teary-eyed for the cameras over his creepy, self-absorbed "I'm a Defender of Women!" acceptance speech. Then they all went to the Vanity Fair after-party and got drunk and danced! Hollywood!
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It doesn't square with the next day's apology. So which is it? "Kids, I know we partied and bragged last night but now I know that I was wrong" or "heh heh we put one over on them"?
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ParkPeeker
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I didn’t watch the whole Oscars so I hadn’t seen this. I just now watched it and I think you missed the joke of the skit. To be fair I don’t think it made it clear enough.
I feel like whoever wrote it intended the joke to be aimed towards this predatory-masquerading-as-authority character (Hall). So we weren’t supposed to be laughing at the fact that men were being sexually harassed, but at the absurdity of Hall’s character, absurdity that there’s this authority figure that’s clearly just a sexual predator. After calling out Elordi, She even goes “you’re legal-ahem positive.” Everything she says is made so obviously absurd. She clearly isn’t a character we’re supposed to be rooting for. But it wasn’t written well enough cause no one understands it lol.
Maybe mid frisking the two men or mid telling the covid test joke, another co host should’ve entered to ask “why are you doing that?!” and she goes “my mentor Harvey Weinstein taught me how to blah blah etc” and then she gets taken away by the cohost or something? idk it could’ve been clearer.
Side note, looks like Hall took a jab at the Smiths as well, maybe this had some effect on Will, maybe this was some buildup to the eventual slap?
Omg this was actually gross, what the heck, they were freaking wild back then, it clearly wasn’t planned and he thought this was ok?!?Speaking of sexual assault, Jim Carrey has A LOT of nerve talking about how disgusted he was with Will Smith’s standing ovation after winning his Oscar, considering he sexually assaulted Alicia Silverstone on stage years ago and was applauded.
I had read in some article that he was saying how his dad’s speech made him cry. He’s clearly proud of his dad for standing up for his mom, showing Chris that that wasn’t ok. It shouldn’t have resulted in a hard slap, but I can kinda understand Jaden.
He knew what his mom was going through, and then an offense joke was made towards her, then his dad slapped the comedian, then did a speech clearly in some sort of distress. There’s a lot of different emotions going on, and he wants to let everyone know his dad isn’t a bad guy, so he says “that’s how you respect a woman.”
I honestly don’t know what to make about the partying, but I don’t think it was a “haha I got away with it” celebration.
socalifornian
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Mickey & Friends needs to be power washed almost everywhere but the roof. That place is nasty. So many layers of old soda rivers caked on top of the occasional oil drips. Costs $30 to park and is pretty much the first and last thing you see for the day on property if you parked there
Californian Elitist
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He was partying because he won his first Oscar. I’d be partying, too. Are you saying that people aren’t allowed to be apologetic the next day? Will Smith has had a clean slate and character for decades. I’m personally choosing to accept his apology and believe that he’s sincere. I’m also choosing to not look at Jaden Smith as a bad person for being happy about his father standing up for his mother.
Californian Elitist
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Exactly. And I’ve been well aware of this incident for years, so when Jim Carrey made that comment about how disappointed and disgusted he was, I rolled my eyes. Such a hypocrite.
You can clearly see Alicia Silverstone pull away after he forces himself on her and Carrey just moves with her. Her look of disgust at the end says it all.
I should have made it more clear. Bragged about the suckerslap then kind of apologized the next day, after hearing there may be repercussions. And even then used the "look what you made me do" language of the abuser.
ETA: I'm saddened by the toxic masculinity being passed to the next generation. Will could've broken the cycle after seeing his father hit but he didn't. And now his son thinks hitting solves problems and is something to be proud of.
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He should've learned from the Williams sisters who have endured worse insults gracefully. He didn't charge Jane Campion when she belittled them.
I wish he'd been treated like baseball, basketball, football, soccer: red card, instant ejection, fines and suspension to be determined. No exceptions for superstars or coaches.
And don't tell me that worse isn't said on the playing field. I've seen the football game in "M*A*S*H."
I wish he'd been treated like baseball, basketball, football, soccer: red card, instant ejection, fines and suspension to be determined. No exceptions for superstars or coaches.
And don't tell me that worse isn't said on the playing field. I've seen the football game in "M*A*S*H."
CaptinEO
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Of course he had a clean slate. That's completely gone though.
Once a person has a violent reaction that's all it takes. Who knows how he acts at home or under pressure when cameras aren't rolling.
It's possible he had a change of heart the next day, but clearly he wasn't upset by it once the oscars were over based on the partying.
I believe based on his apology to the academy during the show but not Rock that he reluctantly apologized to Rock only when he realized the public was not on his side.
CaptinEO
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Wanda Sykes and Amy Schumer weigh in on the Oscars slap | CNN
Comedians Wanda Sykes and Amy Schumer have opened up about the slap heard around the world.
www.cnn.com
Californian Elitist
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I’ve actually done this before, where I insulted someone and was mean to them and didn’t give a crap in the moment, but then felt bad later. It’s a very normal, human thing to experience.
Regarding the second part of your post, we caught Will Smith hitting someone one time. One time. This doesn’t automatically mean he’s an abuser.
Californian Elitist
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It’s gone for you, personally.
He didn’t just hit someone. He climbed up on the stage in the middle of a live broadcast and hit someone.
Californian Elitist
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Right. So I’ll rephrase it then.
He climbed up on stage on live tv and then hit someone one time. One time. This doesn’t automatically make him an abuser.