The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[TP2000]

On this point, fully agreed. They had no chance to contain this as it happened.

I can only imagine the pure chaos they endured last night for at least a few hours. I feel badly for them, after all they've been through in the last two years trying to keep their industry afloat.

This is what proves to me that it wasn't planned. That, and the look on Chris Rock's face after he got assaulted on live TV.

Also, the fact that both husband and wife Smith have hair growing out of their scalps. Neither are bald. But Will asked his barber to cut his with a 3 guard, and Jada asked her hairdresser to cut hers with a 1 guard for the Oscars last night.

 

[CaptinEO]

There are are a few of them. Refusing to allow Hattie McDaniel to sit with her cast and crew members and forcing her to sit at a table in a back corner at the 1940 Oscars was much worse. Some say that Will Smith should give his Oscar back, but the Academy awarded Roman Polanski an Oscar for Best Director for The Pianist years after he fled the country to escape jail time for raping a child.

There have been worse.

Oh these are absolutely worse events for sure by the Academy itself. You are correct. I think this is probably just the worst moment that was on camera during the show.

 

[TP2000]

Some say that Will Smith should give his Oscar back, but the Academy awarded Roman Polanski an Oscar for Best Director for The Pianist years after he fled the country to escape jail time for raping a child.

Well, there's something we agree on.

Many audience members in the Dolby Theatre last night think Roman Polanski should be welcomed back into the fold, and his child rape charges dismissed. Because, honestly, what's a little 1970's child rape among industry bigwigs?

I think Hollywood is evil and disgusting for embracing stuff like that. And many in Hollywood, even in the 2020's, think his child rape charges should be dismissed. But I don't. Roman Polanski and all that defend him are disgusting.

Children should be allowed to be innocent children, even if they are unlucky enough to go to a Florida public school.

Hollywoodâs History of Defending Child Rapist Roman Polanski

From Quentin Tarantino to Harvey Weinstein and Johnny Depp, the complicit A-listers and accused abusers of Hollywood have repeatedly gone to bat for the convicted rapist.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[CaptinEO]

I honestly can't fault Academy leadership on this last night. They were all sitting in the audience in various sections and boxes, sitting next to wives and mistresses or handsome young men. They've all had a glass or two of pre-show champagne. It's their big night. After two years of misery. They're back! No one has to wear a mask! This is fun! And we all have invites to the Vanity Fair after-party!

And then disaster strikes. They likely were all texting each other in a panic from their seats. Trying to figure out what to do. Was this planned? Did no one tell me this was planned? Is Chris Rock okay? Is he going to sue? What's Twitter doing? Where are the lawyers? Who is on First?

I don't envy them one bit. It was likely chaos for at least half an hour. And then, as if it couldn't get worse, Will Smith wins Best Actor. Jesus H Christ. What do we do? What do we say? What's Twitter saying? Did we go to commercial? God....

While no one could have planned for this,
I do have to fault them, their security should treat an incident for what it is, regardless of the fame the offender may have.

There should be a zero tolerance policy for this instead of having discussions with Smith's entourage about what to do.

I'm sure they were caught off guard but many people are flabbergasted by their lack or action last night.

The guy who punched a person hung out for another hour and won the best actor award. The entire academy has to be embarrassed about how bad they look.

Knowing the elitist nature of the academy I'm sure they will take no blame and push it all onto whatever contractor they hired for security and will make sure it won't happen again.

 

[TP2000]

No, wait! I was just sidled up to the bar cart making a nightcap to celebrate this last rainy evening of the winter when I realized "I did put someone on ignore once!". I had to search for it on this site, and it was about two years ago now, but it did happen once.

@raven24 perhaps you remember it. It involved some horrible person, who no longer posts here, who tried to claim I was a racist because I was an old white guy who loved Motown and especially The Supremes and who once flew out to Detroit for no other purpose than to visit the Motown Museum and pay my respects to some of the finest artists this country has ever produced, particularly Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson and Diana Ross. Because that's what white racists do, they buy every Motown record ever made and then fly to Detroit (Delta, First Class, it was a 757 nonstop) and check in to the Detroit Marriott to buy out nearly the entire gift shop at the Motown Museum.

So, yeah, I did put that guy on ignore once. But I had to search for it a few years ago. And then I forgot how to do it.

 

[TP2000]

While no one could have planned for this,
I do have to fault them, their security should treat an incident for what it is, regardless of the fame the offender may have.

They handled it poorly, that's for sure. They clearly had no response planned for "What happens if a celebrity audience member goes up onstage and physically attacks a presenter, then sits back down and yells profanities on live TV?"

They likely had a plan for "What happens if a political protester sneaks in and leaps up onstage and tries to make a scene?" and they also probably have a security response for "What happens if a nutcase nobody employee high on meth and working at the snack bar tries to rush the stage for kicks?"

But they clearly had no plan for what to do if one of their Best Actor nominees is mentally unstable and goes up from his front row seat and physically assaults a presenter on live TV, then screams the F word into the camera.

There should be a zero tolerance policy for this instead of having discussions with Smith's entourage about what to do.

I'm sure they were caught off guard but many people are flabbergasted by their lack or action last night.

The guy who punched a person hung out for another hour and won the best actor award. The entire academy has to be embarrassed about how bad they look.

Knowing the elitist nature of the academy I'm sure they will take no blame and push it all onto whatever contractor they hired for security and will make sure it won't happen again.

I think the Academy is realizing how flat-footed and idiotic they now seem. And how hypocritical they look, which is hard to do in an industry like Hollywood that is literally crawling with blatant hypocrites.

I rarely agree with CNN talking heads, but this short panel discussion seemed to sum it all up quite nicely. All liberals, from CNN and NPR of all places, but all seemed to sum up the vast majority of American's stunned disgust quite nicely...

 

[Sailor310]

I got an IMDB email today titled, "10 Best Oscars Moments, Red Carpet Photos and More"

10 Best Moments From the 2022 Oscars Telecast​ Watch the funniest moments, most surprising speeches, and more highlights from the 2022 Academy Awards.

I thought OMG. How are they going to cover this? Well, they had clips of singing and dancing, acceptance speeches, etc... Amy Schumer came out and asked if something had happened when she was backstage. They had Will's speech, but no slap. Sort of glossed it over.

​

 

[Californian Elitist]

Two last thoughts before I sleep…

I know a few folks here supported and voted for Donald Trump. If you did and you claim to not support/condone violence, or you’re appalled by Will Smith’s behavior, then I’m incredibly confused and I would say there’s a lot of hypocrisy there.

Words can be violent. I’m never going to expect, nor say, that people should never, ever respond physically to hurtful, demeaning, cruel, awful words, because then I’d be a hypocrite. Depending on the exact words, if they were offensive, bad, disgusting, etc. enough, I’m not going to lie and say that I wouldn’t respond physically, because I would. And I’m neither ashamed, nor embarrassed to admit that.

I still don’t agree with Will Smith’s behavior, personally, given the context. Again, I understand feeling upset by the comment and wanting to defend his wife.

Goodnight.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ok, just to make sure I checked with my retired police friend and they don't.

It’s not a legal doctrine, but physical altercations occur without the police being called or charges being filed. There are also places where verbal provocation could be considered justifying a physical response.

Disney will almost certainly stream a fight that will break out live tonight. Nobody expects hockey players to be walked off in cuffs when a fight breaks outs.

 

[Californian Elitist]

It’s not a legal doctrine, but physical altercations occur without the police being called or charges being filed. There are also places where verbal provocation could be considered justifying a physical response.

Disney will almost certainly stream a fight that will break out live tonight. Nobody expects hockey players to be walked off in cuffs when a fight breaks outs.

This is what I was getting at. Not every single physical altercation results in an arrest or some other form of punishment because a police are not always involved.

Thank you.

 

[Parteecia]

It’s not a legal doctrine, but physical altercations occur without the police being called or charges being filed.

True but less likely for a public assault. Then it's arrest first, hash it out later.

There are also places where verbal provocation could be considered justifying a physical response.

Not to the police. It would be, "tell it to the judge."

 

[Parteecia]

I am a bleeding heart crybaby liberal but there is no way I can understand why it's okay to hit someone who says something to you. I guess those kindergarten lessons stuck hard.

Aside from it's not right, then the speaker wins. They made you lose control and cross the line into criminal behavior.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I am a bleeding heart crybaby liberal but there is no way I can understand why it's okay to hit someone who says something to you. I guess those kindergarten lessons stuck hard.

Aside from it's not right, then the speaker wins. They made you lose control and cross the line into criminal behavior.

You don’t have to understand.

 

[Parteecia]

You don’t have to understand.

I would like to. As a BHCL it's in my nature to want to fully appreciate both side's points. But i can't get there this time.

 

[lazyboy97o]

True but less likely for a public assault. Then it's arrest first, hash it out later.

Not to the police. It would be, "tell it to the judge."

That depends on the public venue. There are places where the police will not be called. Even if the police are called, it does not automatically mean arrest. It is possible for citations to be issued and that be it. There are cases where people shoot someone and they’re not arrested or at least not arrested right away. A single slap or even punch isn’t always going to get the hard response you suggest. And again, turn on a hockey game tonight and you will almost certainly see a fight break out and the penalty will be a time out, no police or charges.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I would like to. As a BHCL it's in my nature to want to fully appreciate both side's points. But i can't get there this time.

Personally, I don’t think it’s a black and white situation. There are gray areas. Human beings are capable of many things and have many emotions. Physical response to something can be normal, depending on the situation.

Thankfully, I’ve never been in a situation where I felt convicted enough to put my hands on someone after insulting me with their words. Then again, I know that I likely would do it as a response or defense mechanism if the threat was right, which I think is normal.

 

[Parteecia]

Personally, I don’t think it’s a black and white situation. There are gray areas. Human beings are capable of many things and have many emotions. Physical response to something can be normal, depending on the situation.

Thankfully, I’ve never been in a situation where I felt convicted enough to put my hands on someone after insulting me with their words. Then again, I know that I likely would do it as a response or defense mechanism if the threat was right, which I think is normal.

I fully admit to being abbynormal. My first calculation in any escalating situation is how do I get out of it without physical injury. I've had more than my share of face to face intense disagreements but I always have my safety in mind. Hitting someone first is antithetical to that. I've had enough pain I'm life without inviting more.

 

[mickEblu]

On another note, I was at the parks for about 8 hours today, and I'm kind of shocked how great the experience was all things considered. Attraction wait times were very reasonable for a Sunday where multiple popular attractions are out for refurbishment (60 minute RSR, 65 minute Rise, 50 minute Space? Crazy!), and because we started at DCA today we didn't wait too long for any booths at the Food and Wine festival. (I suspect that the festival itself played a part in the low wait times though, considering it was an attraction in and of itself.)

Food was on the whole a hit for everyone in my party: highlights were the carbonara-garlic mac and cheese as well as the chicharrón-crusted fried artichoke dip. Only gripe I had was they've removed the ability to order food from any booth, which wasn't super convenient. Also, by 1pm, DCA was unbearable to walk around because of the people hopping over from Disneyland.

We were there Sunday as well.
It was so empty for a Sunday. Is 60 degrees and a slight breeze at night all it takes to keep the So Cal crowds away or was it the Oscars? The afternoon was gorgeous. We got there at like 10am and stayed until about 10pm and did 15 rides. It did get slightly chilly at night because of the breeze. For whatever reason I always feel the coldest at Disneyland right when the sun goes down. By the time it’s actually dark I always warm up. I’m guessing it’s just the sudden drop off in temperature and then the body adjusts.

Also did you know that a multiple experience pass can be used on any ride? Even rides that do not take fastpasses. We bought Genie + as my cousin and girlfriend were with us for their yearly visit. The return times were practically instant all day. Space Mountain was only 1.5 hours out the whole day. It also just happened to be one of those days where the flow is just right and got on all my favorites at the ideal time of day.

We started at DCA and it’s definitely the way to go on Festival days. You are always going against the traffic. No line to walk into the park in the morning while Disneylands was stretched out the beginning of esplanade. We had lunch and left DCA just before 2pm when it was starting to get busy and headed to Disneyland where there was no line to get in either. Disneyland was super mellow and pleasant even in the usual gridlock areas.

A couple new food items I highly recommend are the Philly Cheesesteak at Award Weiners and the Watermelon Lemonade at Smoozies. I hope they stick around as they weren’t just theme park good. They were Good Good. The Watermelon lemonade was just the right amount of sweet and tart and tasted like actual watermelon. The Philly was Solid!

We ve been very happy with our Believe Keys. At first after a couple crazy busy days in October I had regretted not going with the Imagine keys but the Believe tier has been just right for us. With that said I may consider getting one Dream Key if I renew for the Parking. Not sure I’ve been getting lucky or it’s the new reservation system but I haven’t felt one of those really nasty days since October and I usually go on weekends about twice a month.

 

[Parteecia]

And again, turn on a hockey game tonight and you will almost certainly see a fight break out and the penalty will be a time out, no police or charges

Sure, not at WWE or other sports either. This was not that. If I were in a theater or standing on the street and it happened I would be pressing charges.

ETA: today's Times pointed out that if you did a slap like that in the NFL or NBA you would be out of the game immediately.

 

[ParkPeeker]

It doesn't matter how horrible the jokes were. It doesn't matter if they scream a personalized version of the devil's speech from the Exorcist at you. You do not answer words with physical violence. Period.

I said in that post that I didn’t like that he chose to physically slap Chris and instead would have preferred it if he just made a scene by yelling at him after the “joke.” My point was to point out that Chris isn’t completely innocent just because he didn’t physically do anything. But yes it was wrong for Will to react by slapping.

I fully admit to being abbynormal. My first calculation in any escalating situation is how do I get out of it without physical injury. I've had more than my share of face to face intense disagreements but I always have my safety in mind. Hitting someone first is antithetical to that. I've had enough pain I'm life without inviting more.

I’m going to say I’m more or less the same way, regarding my fear of getting physically hurt if getting into a physical altercation. I think it’s normal for humans to not want to get physically harmed.

But this doesn’t mean I don’t have wants of physically hurting someone after they’ve said something offensive to hurt me.

In the situation where you have your safety in mind, don’t you feel that in that impulsive hurt/angered mood, that the first thing stopping you is your understanding that they would get you badly hurt? At that impulsive moment, the other person getting hurt isn’t your concern, it’s your own safety, the first thing that stops you from going physical. So I do think you’re able to understand it.