The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

BuzzedPotatoHead89

Well-Known Member
I have a question for Hollywood: Why do you invite comedians that make horrible jokes at your expense to your most important awards ceremony? Comedians to lighten the mood, sure. Comedians that are known for over-the-top mean-spirited jabs??? I don't get it. I have never found that stuff funny, and I don't understand why it has always been a presence at the award shows. That's probably why I don't watch and just google the results the next morning. 🤷‍♀️
At this point I’d take it one step further and say if the celebrities invited aren’t enjoying the awards then who is it even for?

Half the movies nominated aren’t even seen by a broad audience and it doesn’t seem like the celebrities even like being there. The Oscars should just go the way of the golden globes. Or just have a big party and let people watch the red carpet and skip the ceremony and pomp and circumstance all together. No risk of bruised egos that way.

As far as Will goes, he was definitely wrong but the real shame is on the academy for not escorting him out in that moment. But since they chose to do nothing, that Oscar was still earned for his work. The academy has always separated the art from the artist before in far worse instances. If Roman Polanski and Harvey Weinstein can still keep their Oscars then I don’t think a single slap is worthy of rescinding his Oscar over. Lest anyone confuse an Oscar as an award for being an upstanding citizen. Just because someone’s famous or good at their craft doesn’t make them good role model.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Everyone reacts differently.

I know to me it's probably a safety mechanism that if someone was violent at any point I will stay away from that person as they are a violent person in my mind.

Reason being that someone committing an act is more likely to have those tendencies that allowed them to commit the act in the first place.

Not everyone sees that way but I know that's how my mind works.
So you won’t go near an ice rink?
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
I don’t think we should make conclusions that Jaden now thinks hitting someone solves problems.
Yet we've seen the story from his book talking about him watching his dad hit his mom being used in an effort to try and explain how this could have happened. Parental example is a very strong influence in kids' lives.
 

socalifornian

Well-Known Member
>>See below for the Academy’s full statement.

The Board of Governors today initiated disciplinary proceedings against Mr. Smith for violations of the Academy’s Standards of Conduct, including inappropriate physical contact, abusive or threatening behavior, and compromising the integrity of the Academy.

Consistent with the Academy’s Standards of Conduct, as well as California law, Mr. Smith is being provided at least 15 days’ notice of a vote regarding his violations and sanctions, and the opportunity to be heard beforehand by means of a written response. At the next board meeting on April 18, the Academy may take any disciplinary action, which may include suspension, expulsion, or other sanctions permitted by the Bylaws and Standards of Conduct.

Mr. Smith’s actions at the 94th Oscars were a deeply shocking, traumatic event to witness in-person and on television. Mr. Rock, we apologize to you for what you experienced on our stage and thank you for your resilience in that moment. We also apologize to our nominees, guests and viewers for what transpired during what should have been a celebratory event.

Things unfolded in a way we could not have anticipated. While we would like to clarify that Mr. Smith was asked to leave the ceremony and refused, we also recognize we could have handled the situation differently.

 

CaptinEO

Well-Known Member
I'm with Kareem

I think it's way overstating things to put the entirety of "men, women, and the black community" on the shoulders of an actor.

But yes he clearly acted inappropriately and did embarrass his peers and the film industry.
 

Parteecia

Well-Known Member
"[Former L.A. D.A. Steve] Cooley said if he were advising Smith, he’d have him voluntarily enroll in anger classes and then try to convince prosecutors not to bring charges in the interest of justice because he had recognized his problem and was dealing with it."
 

ParkPeeker

Well-Known Member
I'm with Kareem

a loving husband defending his wife. Comedian Tiffany Haddish, who starred in the movie Girls Trip with Pinkett Smith, praisedSmith’s actions: “[F]or me, it was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen because it made me believe that there are still men out there that love and care about their women, their wives.”

Actually, it was the opposite. Smith’s slap was also a slap to women. If Rock had physically attacked Pinkett Smith, Smith’s intervention would have been welcome. Or if he’d remained in his seat and yelled his post-slap threat, that would have been unnecessary, but understandable. But by hitting Rock, he announced that his wife was incapable of defending herself—against words. From everything I’d seen of Pinkett Smith over the years, she’s a very capable, tough, smart woman who can single-handedly take on a lame joke at the Academy Awards show.

“it made me believe that there are still men out there that love and care about their women, their wives”

This doesn’t necessarily mean defending your wife. Men that love and care about their wives, doesn’t mean thinking they are defenseless. It means actually standing with their wives.

Will standing up to slap Chris doesn’t equate to the message that he needs to protect Jada cause she’s defenseless. It’s standing with her. Jada rolls her eyes showing disapproval of the joke, then Will slaps showing he stands with her.
Kareem is also framing this as a joke with no context. This is a joke with undertones of making fun of black women for their hair. Jada is able to stand her ground and show everyone she is not ok with the joke, she IMMEDIATELY defends herself by rolling her eyes, which presumably prompts Chris to justify “whatttt it’s just a joke.” Will also showed everyone he was not ok with the joke, in a wrong way by slapping Chris.

But what to get out of this is not an example of “the wife cannot defend herself.” It’s an example of a husband standing ground with his black wife, that this joke is not ok. She ALREADY defended herself a different way (which guess what, wasn’t noticed as defense by Kareem, HUH) the only reason Kareem sees this as a “damsel in distress” situation is because I guess her eye roll wasn’t a strong enough defense to able to be seen by Kareem, but Wills slapping and shouting defense was definitely enough to be seen as a defense by Kareem (huh interesting, also interesting the fact that he mentions in the article that he is against Will’s forms of defenses. Then what defenses are there left as an in the moment defense, since he obviously doesn’t recognize the eye roll as an actual defense. Maybe the line for impact is yelling 🤷‍♂️).

I’m not gunna pretend that I know for sure that Will or Jaden doesn’t have this ingrained moral that tells them they need to be protecting women. I will note that Will’s speech didn’t specifically say “protect women” he mentioned the movie character protecting his female family members. Outside the movie, He mentioned generally protecting his people. Perhaps they do have some sense of protecting women code. BUT I still do not see the altercation as a “damsel in distress” situation.

CaptainEO said it already, problematic for him to write that the Smiths gave white people an example of bad black stereotype. If a white person saw this and thought it meant that black people are violent, that’s THEIR OWN fault for being racist.


With the new news of Will refusing to leave, and all the context I will say: Will has work to do with probably his ego, and his impulses and emotions. But I find it funny that all these articles are critiquing Will but not Chris for anything.

So to tie it back to this particular piece by Kareem, I find it hypocritical that he is talking all this talk about being for the women and for the black people and he doesn’t even critique the jokes of Chris with all the racist and sexist undertones. He spends all this time criticizing Will then near the end just says

The one bright note is that Chris Rock, clearly stunned, managed to handle the moment with grace and maturity.

No mention of Penelope joke that women aren’t able to handle losing to their husbands, no mention of joke mocking Jada’s hair, a black women sensitive topic that Chris is fully aware of. Nope Chris is completely off the hook by Kareem even though he is supposedly supposed to be for all these good causes he mentions. He sees this whole thing the way most everyone else sees it.

Simply : Slap=violent, badddd. Joke=not violent, goodddd. Therefore Will Smith badd Chris Rock goood.
 

Parteecia

Well-Known Member
Chris did what comedians often do: he made ill-considered jokes in bad taste. He and other comedians have made worse. There were others just in that show. That's the nature of the game, nothing out of the ordinary. Was it good? No. Did it deserve that reaction? No. So Chris cringey but yeah, Will bad. Anyone who physically attacks someone in a situation like that, bad. Use your words, Will. There were so many other ways he could have responded that would have put the Bad label on Chris.

To quote Kareem:
"But Hollywood awards shows are traditionally a venue where much worse things have been said about celebrities as a means of downplaying the fact that it’s basically a gathering of multimillionaires giving each other awards to boost business so they can make even more money."
 

ParkPeeker

Well-Known Member
Chris did what comedians often do: he made ill-considered jokes in bad taste. He and other comedians have made worse. There were others just in that show. That's the nature of the game, nothing out of the ordinary. Was it good? No. Did it deserve that reaction? No. So Chris cringey but yeah, Will bad. Anyone who physically attacks someone in a situation like that, bad. Use your words, Will. There were so many other ways he could have responded that would have put the Bad label on Chris.

To quote Kareem:
"But Hollywood awards shows are traditionally a venue where much worse things have been said about celebrities as a means of downplaying the fact that it’s basically a gathering of multimillionaires giving each other awards to boost business so they can make even more money."
Ok so it’s the nature of the game and ordinary, but it also wasn’t good, but Chris is just cringy and Will is just bad.

Ok I’ll just simply disagree and stop it here cause we disagree on a lot of levels.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
? I took the blame for not expressing myself clearly. It's not the first time I've done that. See Nixon and catsup on cottage cheese.
It sounds as if you’re saying that you need to take remedial writing so that those with a remedial understanding of writing can understand your posts.

If that’s not what you actually mean, then I take it back.
 

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