Californian Elitist
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TP2000
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It's only 5:15 and it's Daylight Savings Time. It still feels like afternoon!
Speaking of this afternoon, it's an interesting timeline on the "apology" from Will Smith.
The Academy issued a public condemnation of the assault and announced it was beginning a "formal review" of the incident just after 12 Noon today.
"The Academy condemns the actions of Mr. Smith at last night's show," the statement said. "We have officially started a formal review around the incident and will explore further action and consequences in accordance with our Bylaws, Standards of Conduct and California law."
Academy 'condemns' actions of Will Smith at Oscars, starts 'formal review' of slapping incident | CNN
The Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences in a statement issued on Monday condemned the actions of best actor winner Will Smith after the “King Richard” star stormed the stage and slapped presenter Chris Rock in the face during Sunday’s Oscars ceremony.
www.cnn.com
Then about five hours later just before 5 o'clock Pacific Time, Will Smith issues his apology statement. Uh-huh. You know it's really from the heart when the Academy starts looking into taking the statue away.
Will Smith issues apology to Chris Rock over slapping incident at Oscars | CNN
Will Smith has issued an apology for striking presenter Chris Rock at Sunday's Academy Awards.
www.cnn.com
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Disney Irish
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Sir, we're all a work in progress from the day we're born until the day we die.Yeah, funny how widespread Day After outrage and an investigation of him by the Academy can do that, isn't it?
I don't think there's enough rolling eye emoji's on the Internet to respond to that "Sorry, not sorry cause you were mean" prepared statement his publicist wrote for him this afternoon.
And he ends it with... "I am a work in progress." He's 53 years old!
TP2000
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Yes, I'm old but am still learning stuff about caring for my lemon trees, as but one example.
But if you're a 53 year old man storming on stage to sucker punch comedians, you're not a work in progress any more, you've just got mental problems.
Californian Elitist
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Like…my mind is boggled right now.
ParkPeeker
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He’s clearly not ok with the jokes, but he’s apologizing for his reaction, the actual physical act. He’s not apologizing for being offended by a joke. It’s not sorry not sorry, it’s : those jokes are offensive, but I was wrong to slap you and for that I’m sorry.
Disney Irish
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Just because he is 53 doesn't mean he can't react to a situation poorly, age has no bearing on that. I've known plenty of people much older that still react to situations as if they are in the teens or 20s, and they have no mental issues at all. Not all people are going to react to the situation the same you, no matter what age.
Either way someone can work on themselves at any age.
Sir_Cliff
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Sorry, I meant more people identifying as anarcha-feminist if not trans themselves rather than the gender critical. In other words, left-wing, critical of capitalism, etc. and on the more radical side of left than what would generally be considered liberal in the United States. This is where it has somewhat surprised me that people who consider themselves anarchists in some sense sympathise which such a blunt exercise of power.
I am very interested to hear this perspective, because what I am seeing is a very similar point of view that is sympathetic to the slap (and at times openly supportive of it) and probably more annoyed at the outrage than the slap itself. It's quite interesting, because this seems to be something that is more divisive on the left side of politics than on the right, where I assume the feelings are more universally negative. I have even seen people posting stories talking about when parents or partners have knocked another guy down who was denigrating a woman in some way or talking about partners who failed to do so as more or less as a justification.
It's puzzling to me, because hitting someone doesn't seem like speech to me. Particularly when the immediate stakes are as low as they were in this case and Will Smith specifically had so many other avenues available to him if he wanted to object to the joke. If you need to defend yourself and have no other option, perhaps violence can at times be necessary. Amidst multimillionaires at a glitzy Hollywood awards ceremony, though? In that context, it looks more to me like a show of privilege and toxic masculinity, even if I didn't love Rock's jokes. I heard Smith's acceptance speech described as the language of abuse on a podcast today, and I have to agree that it sounded that way to me. This does seem to have exposed something, though, and I don't quite know what it is.
Not sure quite how reliable it is, but TMZ is reporting Rock didn't know about Jada Pinkett Smith's alopecia. I know everyone is saying she has been open about it, but I would gently suggest that maybe it could be reasonable for someone not to have followed her that closely and thus not know. I certainly hadn't heard of it until now.
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TP2000
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Imagine a 53 year old plumber named Bill Smith in Boise. He's the top rated plumber in town, everyone is jealous of him and his successful established business, and he's at the big Plumber's Ball at the Elk's Lodge, where they are giving out the 2022 Golden Plunger Awards for excellence in the Boise Metro Area plumbing industry. They hire a bad comedian to host every year, and this year the comedian makes a joke about Mrs. Smith's hairdo.
Bill Smith first laughs at the joke, then looks at Mrs. Smith and realizes she's not laughing. Oops! So Bill storms onto the stage and punches the comedian, then storms back to his seat and yells loudly the profane and angry epithets that Will Smith also yelled.
Does Bill Smith get to keep his Golden Plunger? Does the Boise Chamber of Commerce keep Bill Smith on the charity board? Does Mr. and Mrs. Smith stick around to dance at the Golden Plunger after-party? Doubtful.
It's easy to imagine the Boise police being called to the Elk's Lodge and Bill Smith being arrested for assault. And his Golden Plunger taken away. But not in Hollywood! They are works in progress there, so it's fine.
Disney Irish
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I can't speak for the Elk's Lodge, but I have belonged to similar fraternal orders and there have been many fights that break out during similar ceremonies, and its usually handled in-house with no police involvement and no one getting kicked out.Imagine a 53 year old plumber named Bill Smith in Boise. He's the top rated plumber in town, everyone is jealous of him and his successful established business, and he's at the big Plumber's Ball at the Elk's Lodge, where they are giving out the 2022 Golden Plunger Awards for excellence in the Boise Metro Area plumbing industry. They hire a bad comedian to host, and the comedian makes a joke about Bill Smith's wife's hairdo.
Bill Smith first laughs at the joke, then looks at Mrs. Smith and realizes she's not laughing. Oops! So Bill storms onto the stage and punches the comedian, then storms back to his seat and yells loudly the profane and angry epithets that Will Smith also yelled.
Does Bill Smith get to keep his Golden Plunger? Does the Boise Chamber of Commerce keep Bill Smith on the charity board? Does Mr. and Mrs. Smith stick around to dance at the Golden Plunger after-party? Doubtful.
It's easy to imagine the Boise police being called to the Elk's Lodge and Bill Smith being arrested for assault. And his Golden Plunger taken away. But not in Hollywood! There works in progress there, so it's fine.
TP2000
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The Elk's Lodge is the rented venue. The Golden Plunger is the actual prize. (Which I thought was terribly clever for just thinking of that off the top of my head!)
But... you've been a member of multiple suburban fraternal lodges where fistfights routinely break out during annual awards ceremonies? The depth of your life experience always impresses me.
Disney Irish
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I've seen a few things in my short time on this planet.
TP2000
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Fascinating. Absolutely... fascinating.
Practical Pig
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I get that there are cultural differences that affect how people will judge Rock’s joke’s relative offensiveness. But this assault was a crime broadcast around much of the world, and socially, there needs to be consequences. I think the Academy understands the negative optics if they do nothing.
The investigation by the Academy is unlikely to result in anything too meaningful. They aren’t going to take the Oscar away. The strongest action they might take is to revoke Smith’s membership, but I think it’s more likely that there will be something like a fine of a just sizable enough donation to an appropriate charity. Or something else that demonstrates best intentions without changing anything.
The investigation by the Academy is unlikely to result in anything too meaningful. They aren’t going to take the Oscar away. The strongest action they might take is to revoke Smith’s membership, but I think it’s more likely that there will be something like a fine of a just sizable enough donation to an appropriate charity. Or something else that demonstrates best intentions without changing anything.
That Jada may have been pleased with the slap tells me more about their dynamic than I want to know. And that a look could change him from laughing to action.
I may be too simple but I just can't see how any words justify physical assault. They're words. Pity the speaker, console your spouse if necessary (he really should have kissed her) and move on.
Have people here started a fight over words or encouraged someone to?
I may be too simple but I just can't see how any words justify physical assault. They're words. Pity the speaker, console your spouse if necessary (he really should have kissed her) and move on.
Have people here started a fight over words or encouraged someone to?
And anger management classes.
Disney Irish
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I've seen fights start over a simple glance, or misunderstanding over words.
I've also been personally attacked for standing up for a female friend, who while she didn't need it was appreciative that I did.
Practical Pig
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Will's drastic switch from a laughing reaction to assault-and-rage after a glance at Jada seemed like a panicked overreaction to me.
Californian Elitist
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Anger management classes because he lost his cool and slapped someone one time? You guys, seriously?
Also, I’ve laughed at something as a nervous or quick reaction before stopping to think for another quick second and checking someone for what they said. That’s normal.
Also, I’ve laughed at something as a nervous or quick reaction before stopping to think for another quick second and checking someone for what they said. That’s normal.
It might be a good PR move the way that some celebs pre-emptively check into clinics when the stuff is about to hit the fan.
Californian Elitist
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That’s insane to me and over the top.