Ok. It will be interesting to see how it all works out.
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Practical Pig
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Anger management classes (as one example) because the Academy will need to take some action for show. Also people who commit violence in anger are by nature candidates for anger management classes generally speaking.
Your point about the nervous laugh while processing the moment is certainly good. I've done that too many times, and I don't pretend to know what went through his head at that moment. It was just an impression not a judgement.
ParkPeeker
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THANK YOU, I was going to address this in a multiple response quote but yes exactly this. I don’t like how everyone just assumes Will was genuinely laughing at the joke and only slapped Chris because of Jada. It’s like they never been in a situation where it was more comfortable to laugh along than to be the odd one out. It’s happened to me many times where at school or work something I find offensive is jokingly said and I instinctually just laugh along with everyone else to be on the inside/don’t voice my concerns etc. it’s genuinely hard to not go along with everyone else in a situation like that.
Californian Elitist
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Exactly. I feel like the majority of people have done this before. I’ve certainly done it. It’s a very natural thing to do. A few weeks ago actually, my mom told me something very hurtful, but I didn’t say anything in that moment. I even nodded. It sat in my mind all night and the next day, I confronted her about what she said. Have we not all done this?
People are overreacting to this situation. Over analyzing Smith’s mannerisms, people saying this is the worst/darkest moment in Oscar history (give me a break), saying that he should be enrolled in anger management classes because he hit someone one time…Judd Apatow literally said he could have killed Chris Rock with that slap.
Ordinary people don't get one free assault.
Californian Elitist
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They do.
Californian Elitist
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This reminds me of when I was a 17-year-old senior in high school and went to see a doctor for a physical. She asked me if I had started applying for college yet, and I unenthusiastically said no. Because of this, she said that I was likely depressed and recommended that my mom put me in therapy.
Ok, just to make sure I checked with my retired police friend and they don't.
Practical Pig
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Really? All those times I really, really wanted to smack the crap out of abusive bullies, I could actually have gotten away with it once.
Now you tell me.
Wait! There's still time!
Californian Elitist
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Punished in some way, sure. But the punishment is not always extreme. The odds of someone with a good record being asked/forced to take anger management classes after losing their cool one time are likely slim to none.
Californian Elitist
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Refer to my answer above.Really? All those times I really, really wanted to smack the crap out of abusive bullies, I could actually have gotten away with it once.
Now you tell me.
Wait! There's still time!
Practical Pig
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It's the optics of the moment I'm thinking of. Smith has put the Academy in a difficult position. This incident is being politicized (as seen locally) and I think they are going to need to respond somehow. Fines and classes are among the tools they have to make a public show without much effort. We'll see what falls out of this.
No Name
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It’s so disappointing. A guy who’s a seasoned professional actor, who’s never cursed in his songs, decides to resort to physical violence and aggressive yelling on live television? I get why he was annoyed, the joke was a bad one, but no words warrant that reaction. I lost a ton of respect for the guy and I gained a ton of respect for Chris Rock, and so did millions of people.
Had Will handled it differently, Chris would be the one under water.
Had Will handled it differently, Chris would be the one under water.
She thinks he should have been arrested on the spot. If you let it slide others will say why can't I get away with doing it?
Cynical police also think first time caught, not necessarily first time ever.
Californian Elitist
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I’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished. I’m saying forcing him to attend classes is over the top and too much.
Agree to disagree.
ParkPeeker
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I’m not ok with the slap but to be honest if he had just yelled the profanity, I think I’d be ok with that. I think the people who support it do so not because they’re necessarily ok with violence but for the fact that it made the joke something to take seriously, and not just “it’s just a joke.”
Oh yea I definitely feel that way, it really does feel like the “right” is much more monolith than the “left” and it’s interesting seeing all the different “left” reactions online
Yea there might be some toxic masculinity power play thing going into this slap, after feeling humiliated by the joke. There’s probably a lot going on. I don’t like that he did it, but it’s hard because I would rather this have happened than nothing happening after the jokes were made, since everyone else was laughing and only Jada was rolling her eyes, making it just a no big deal thing. He made it a big deal in the moment for everyone to see, which I admire (the idea of it being made a big deal in the moment not violence). But again I would rather him just shout profanity as an in-the-moment-public-objection of the joke that would surely get more attention than if he had just privately talked to Chris.
Chris did a documentary many years ago about black women and hair that included his own daughter. It delved into insecurities about hair that black women go through, and even touched on experiences of black women with shaving and alopecia.
So that being said, while for the first joke he may have not been fully aware of the sexism, which I’m also not okay with (joke that if Penelope lost, Javier would lose no matter what, because you know women are immature jealous people that you would not hear the end of from, if you won. Or as the children’s movie meet the robinsons says it: “remember Lewis, she’s always right even when she’s wrong”)
The second joke I feel was more insidious, as Chris is 100 percent aware about black women’s insecurity struggles of their hair, and even if he didn’t put together that she had alopecia, he knows it’s a thing, and he knows baldness is a source of insecurity with black women. So I have to conclude that this second joke actually had intent of hurting/attacking someone, not just a topic he was ignorant about, but something he knows how to use against someone.
I think the hard part of the people on the “left” is that the discussion about the problems of the jokes get lost and mixed with the action of slapping. No matter what, the “left” loses cause of that. It’s hard for it to just be about the joke and how you are not on Chris’ side, cause since he didn’t physically do anything he’s automatically put on a higher ground. It all just gets muddled with the hard slap.
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I asked her specifically about the hair joke because she has lost almost all of her once long blonde hair to cancer chemo but she believes in the rule of law. No exceptions. Arrest first, hash it out later, same as a street assault.
Practical Pig
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Ideally, I agree. He should have been removed. But in the very confused moment, how much chance was there really for those in charge to process, choose, and enforce any action in front of the live cameras. By the time those people could connect and consultations could have happened and decisions made, the whole thing was already history.