The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[CaptinEO]

Funny, as its written and directed by two Asian women, one of whom grew up in Canada. So not sure where you got that the movie was racist and sexist toward Asians or women.

I am confused, I don't think the movie is racist or sexist at all.

I think sadly there is a large population of people that look down upon asians or teenage women and feel their stories arent worth telling.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think you misread what they said. They're saying that many critiques of this movie have been rooted in racism/misogyny.

Got it, the way its written can make it seem like they are talking about the movie itself.

 

[Disney Irish]

I am confused, I don't think the movie is racist or sexist at all.

I think sadly there is a large population of people that look down upon asians or teenage women and feel their stories arent worth telling.

I misread it, the way that one sentence is worded can make it seem like you're talking about the movie itself.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[mickEblu]

I wrote that reply before I saw anything you posted.

Unfortunately there is tons of asian racism as well as sexism towards women that I see rearing its head with this movie.

Things I did not see exist when Encanto, Soul, or Coco came out. Maybe society isn't as sensitive to asian cultures as they are to others?

The fact that people complain about "target demographics" when it's a story of a teenage Chineese girl is incredibly racist and sexist to me.

I'm not a hispanic woman and I watched Encanto. Why does it matter?

Is there? I’m not kidding when I say I rarely watch the news or follow things like that. My opinion on the movie is strictly my own and perhaps sound similar to some other stuff you have read.

I’m sure there are racist or sexist people out there that wont give many movies a chance. No shock to me. I think there is probably a reason this movie is getting some of the feedback it’s getting when movies like Encanto or Coco didn’t. I think has way more to do with the fact they are more universal and and entertaining.

As to your last question I feel like I’ve already answered that. They were better movies and contained more elements that could appeal to a broader audience.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Funny, as its written and directed by two Asian women, one of whom grew up in Canada. So not sure where you got that the movie was racist and sexist toward Asians or women.

He’s saying that those who refuse to watch the movie because the protagonist is Asian and a female are likely racist and sexist.

EDIT: Never mind lol.

 

[CaptinEO]

I misread it, the way its worded can make it seem like you're talking about the movie itself.

Thank you for clarifying.

No problem

Is there? I’m not kidding when I say I rarely watch the news or follow things like that. My opinion on the movie is strictly my own and perhaps sound similar to some other stuff you have read.

I’m sure there are racist or sexist people out there that wont give many movies a chance. No shock to me. I think there is probably a reason this movie is getting some of the feedback it’s getting when movies like Encanto or Coco didn’t. I think has way more to do with the fact they are more universal and and entertaining.

As to your last question I feel like I’ve already answered that. They were better movies and contained more elements that could appeal to a broader audience.

Once again want to make it clear I'm not targetting you. It's not a matter of liking or disliking a movie that's offensive to me.

A movie can have appeal or not appeal to someone for many reasons. I'm specifically talking about those who think a film is unappealing/limiting because of race or gender.

I think the comment about saying the film has a narrow target demographic is off putting, because if you didn't know it is being used online by close minded people because of it staring an asian protagonist who is also a teenage girl.

I am not sure if that was what you meant as well.

I think comments in this form are very hurtful and close minded as it implies teenage or asian stories aren't worth being told.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with this output from a major film reviewer either.

‘Turning Red’ Movie Review Removed For Being ‘Racist’ And ‘Sexist’; CinemaBlend Apologizes

A review of the new Disney/Pixar animated film “Turning Red” was unpublished after being accused of being “sexist” and “racist,” NBC News reported. CinemaBlend Managing Director Sean O’Connell wrote the offending critique, which said the movie had limited appeal due to the setting and subject...

www.dailywire.com

“I recognized the humor in the film, but connected with none of it. By rooting ‘Turning Red’ very specifically in the Asian community of Toronto, the film legitimately feels like it was made for [director] Domee Shi’s friends and immediate family members,” O’Connell wrote in the since-pulled review. “Which is fine — but also, a tad limiting in its scope.”

O’Connell doubled down on his opinion of the film in a since-deleted tweet that accompanied his review. The post read: “Some Pixar films are made for universal audiences. ‘Turning Red’ is not. The target audience for this one feels very specific and very narrow. If you are in it, this might work very well for you. I am not in it. This was exhausting.”

It was a big enough deal that the cast and director even responded to it.

The main point being that this is supposed to be a humorous coming of age story, so everyone can identify to it.

'Turning Red' cast responds after controversial review pulled offline

CinemaBlend's review of Pixar's first feature-length film directed by an Asian woman was pulled offline after being called “sexist” and “racist” by members of the press.

www.nbcnews.com

Even if you may not realize it, saying the film has a limited target demographic comes across as demeaning.

I can see your point about Encanto and Coco. Those are "safer" films so to speak. This film focuses more on a real life specific issue / time in someone's life vs being a musical sing along type thing. Also those are more fantasy films instead of being contemporary.

Again, not claiming you are a racist. Just saying many racist/sexist people out there are using that same argument.

If I was a teenage asian girl I'd feel devastated to see people not being able to identify with you, almost as if you are sub human to them/ not worthy of the same time and attention as white / male stories.

 

[mickEblu]

No problem

Once again want to make it clear I'm not targetting you. It's not a matter of liking or disliking a movie that's offensive to me.

A movie can have appeal or not appeal to someone for many reasons. I'm specifically talking about those who think a film is unappealing/limiting because of race or gender.

I think the comment about saying the film has a narrow target demographic is off putting, because if you didn't know it is being used online by close minded people because of it staring an asian protagonist who is also a teenage girl.

I am not sure if that was what you meant as well.

I think comments in this form are very hurtful and close minded as it implies teenage or asian stories aren't worth being told.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with this output from a major film reviewer either.

‘Turning Red’ Movie Review Removed For Being ‘Racist’ And ‘Sexist’; CinemaBlend Apologizes

A review of the new Disney/Pixar animated film “Turning Red” was unpublished after being accused of being “sexist” and “racist,” NBC News reported. CinemaBlend Managing Director Sean O’Connell wrote the offending critique, which said the movie had limited appeal due to the setting and subject...

www.dailywire.com

It was a big enough deal that the cast and director even responded to it.

The main point being that this is supposed to be a humorous coming of age story, so everyone can identify to it.

'Turning Red' cast responds after controversial review pulled offline

CinemaBlend's review of Pixar's first feature-length film directed by an Asian woman was pulled offline after being called “sexist” and “racist” by members of the press.

www.nbcnews.com

Even if you may not realize it, saying the film has a limited target demographic comes across as demeaning.

I can see your point about Encanto and Coco. Those are "safer" films so to speak. This film focuses more on a real life specific issue / time in someone's life vs being a musical sing along type thing. Also those are more fantasy films instead of being contemporary.

Again, not claiming you are a racist. Just saying many racist/sexist people out there are using that same argument.

If I was a teenage asian girl I'd feel devastated to see people not being able to identify with you, almost as if you are sub human to them/ not worthy of the same time and attention as white / male stories.

Is it not possible that both things are true? That their are some people who write off the movie because it’s about an Asian pre teen girl and that it does in fact have the most narrow target demo of any Disney/ Pixar film ever made? I can’t think of another one off the top of my head. I’ll be honest if someone has a better example.

 

[mickEblu]

Universal Studios Hollywood needs to step it up. My wife and I were thinking of taking a spontaneous trip there this morning with our 1.5 year old while our son is at school until we realized that that there are only 2 rides in the entire park we could do as family. The tram tour which I’m not trying terrify my daughter just yet. Maybe when she’s 2. And that spinner outside of Despicable Me. We probably would have went if she could even get on Secret Life of Pets. That one is still a head scratcher.

 

[Phroobar]

I think Turning Red looks juvenile but has a Wallace & Grummett look to it. I'll watch it this weekend and let you know what I think. It won't be the first juvenile show I've watched this week.

 

[Phroobar]

Universal Studios Hollywood needs to step it up. My wife and I were thinking of taking a spontaneous trip there this morning with our 1.5 year old while our son is at school until we realized that that there are only 2 rides in the entire park we could do as family. The tram tour which I’m not trying terrify my daughter just yet. Maybe when she’s 2. And that spinner outside of Despicable Me. We probably would have went if she could even get on Secret Life of Pets. That one is still a head scratcher.

When my daughter was eight, we took her on the tram tour. The Earthquake portion freaked her out big time. She and I went when she was seventeen and the Earthquake portion freaked her out again! Of course real earthquakes freak her out. However, her favorite rides where the Mummy and Transformers.

 

[mickEblu]

When my daughter was eight, we took her on the tram tour. The Earthquake portion freaked her out big time. She and I went when she was seventeen and the Earthquake portion freaked her out again! Of course real earthquakes freak her out. However, her favorite rides where the Mummy and Transformers.

We learned our lesson from when we took my one year old son on the tram tour. As a non parent I didn’t realize how loud and scary the Kong and Earthquake scenes are. Fast n Furious was new to us but I should have known.

Mummy and Jurassic Park are our favorite rides there but I have to single ride them as my son isn’t tall enough for Mummy and has decided that two times on Jurassic World was enough for him. I’m surprised he went on the second time honestly.

 

[Phroobar]

We learned our lesson from when we took my one year old son on the tram tour. As a non parent I didn’t realize how loud and scary the Kong and Earthquake scenes are. Fast n Furious was new to us but I should have known.

Mummy and Jurassic Park are our favorite rides there but I have to single ride them as my son isn’t tall enough for Mummy and has decided that two times on Jurassic World was enough for him. I’m surprised he went on the second time honestly.

I remember taking her on Space Mountain for the first time. She cried most of the way through it. I asked if she liked it. She said sheeply "Yes". I asked if she wanted to do it again. She said

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Universal Studios Hollywood needs to step it up. My wife and I were thinking of taking a spontaneous trip there this morning with our 1.5 year old while our son is at school until we realized that that there are only 2 rides in the entire park we could do as family. The tram tour which I’m not trying terrify my daughter just yet. Maybe when she’s 2. And that spinner outside of Despicable Me. We probably would have went if she could even get on Secret Life of Pets. That one is still a head scratcher.

Universal genuinely still needs more rides for families. Perhaps their own version of Seuss landing or Dreamworks properties on the upper lot… with a carousel, another family dark ride (akin to cat in the hat at IOA), and possibly a family friendly splash battle-type water ride/attraction rounding out a family friendly area (removing the dreamworks theater).

Nintendo Land and Hogsmeade each need their new expansion pads too. I’d add Hagrid’s to Wizarding World and Donkey Kong to the lower lot.

 

[CaptinEO]

Is it not possible that both things are true? That their are some people who write off the movie because it’s about an Asian pre teen girl and that it does in fact have the most narrow target demo of any Disney/ Pixar film ever made? I can’t think of another one off the top of my head. I’ll be honest if someone has a better example.

What is their target demo you're claiming?

 

[DrAlice]

I am still haunted by the Jaws shark that jumped toward my side of the tram when I was 4 (the same birthday trip when I went to Disneyland and @Parteecia helped me with my burrito ). I made the whole tram laugh because I literally dove under the seat. It's funny to think about now, but I was seriously mad at all the adults around me for laughing. "Didn't you see the people-eating shark jump at my head?!?!?!?! Why you laughing?!?!?!?"

Is the Jaws shark even still a thing? Time flies.....

 

[mickEblu]

What is their target demo you're claiming?

I actually removed the word Target before you replied. Obviously they would want as many people to watch the film as possible - ideally.

 

[CaptinEO]

I actually removed the word Target before you replied. Obviously they would want as many people to watch the film as possible - ideally.

So Pixar's new film you claim has the most narrow target demo, which also happens to be the most people as possible?

 

[mickEblu]

So Pixar's new film you claim has the most narrow target demo, which also happens to be the most people as possible?

Go re read my post

 

[CaptinEO]

Go re read my post

I'm still confused.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm still confused.

How can I help ?

EDIT: @CaptinEO looks like we have this convo going on in 2 threads. I thought you were responding to a post from the other thread. Thought you were responding to this…


Shang Chi just came out a few month ago and everyone was raving about it, including me - a non Marvel fan. Maybe the movie just wasn’t great AND just doesn’t appeal to a wide demographic. Does everything always have to be about race? Got Damn