The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

Californian Elitist

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I’d prefer it there as well but I would also kind of lament the loss of one more quiet area in the park which is ironic because I never sit there.
True, and it’s a historic area as well. It still gives me those 50s and 60s vibes, too. I do really enjoy that area.

Something could also go in the Fantasyland Theatre area. I wouldn’t mind if that stage went away.
 

SplashGhost

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The best part about the Magic Kingdom is that they still have the Country Bears and the PeopleMover. Plus, the Space Mountain queue music is awesome. The Magic Kingdom's Fantasyland is horrible, and Seven Dwarves Mine Ride is one of the most boring rides that I have ever been on.
 

PiratesMansion

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I have to agree, though I’ve never been to WDW, so I’ll have to save final judgement for when I do visit (not planning on doing that anytime soon).

Years ago, when I did have the desire the visit, I watched a walk-through video of MK on YouTube. I was taken aback by the large amounts of empty spaces and “breaks” in between attractions, restaurants, etc. in the park. Things would appear in the video, then there would be nothing for a solid few minutes, then something would reappear. Coming from a Disneyland perspective, where there is something to look at basically everywhere in the park, I was not too impressed by the pockets of nothingness in that video. I’d have to see it for myself still.
I think the amount of empty space at Magic Kingdom is somewhat overstated and really doesn't hit people unless they're used to Disneyland. It is larger, yes, but it's also much, much easier to get around. That "as crowded as Times Square on NYE" feeling I get at Disneyland basically every day I visit just doesn't happen at MK (unless it's specifically time for fireworks), and frankly that's nice. The general designs are more sophisticated and, other than the aforementioned Fantasyland/Tomorrowland example, show much more care in transitioning between areas. Attractions are more logically placed too. Of course, there's the obvious con that DL has a certain life and vitality to it that really only comes from spontaneity and its status as a passion project. Which is not to say that MK wouldn't have any semblance of life or passion if the company (or more specifically, the park/resort) was better run. The potential is there, and were the resort run with greater competence, it would be considerably closer to DL than it actually is.

Long story short: while there are fewer attractions (and yes, they need more), the actual park is generally better designed, more functional, and the overall experience more cohesive from a design perspective.
I’ll confess it’s been over 15 years since my last trip to WDW but your description is pretty much what I found.

The most impressive things to me were the scale/size of the surrounding area outside Magic Kingdom itself which in many ways felt too “corporate”. I really liked the various “monorail resort” hotels, EPCOT, and AK.

It was most cool to see the TTA/Peoplemover and the notably abundant AA shows of a bygone era though which thanks to A/C are especially well-suited for the brutal Florida climate.
I think bygone era is a good description of a lot of what is there. Many of the things at MK, from attractions to design, are indeed reflective of an older time, for both good (surviving vintage attractions!) and ill (that sometimes haven't received needed updates!) There are so many areas, and not just inside Magic Kingdom, that haven't been touched or updated all that much. Which is something that is often overlooked-MK is certainly not the only place you can find vintage WDI work hanging on down there, in places you wouldn't always expect. And apart from recent missteps, there's lots of great newer design work too.
 

Californian Elitist

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I think the amount of empty space at Magic Kingdom is somewhat overstated and really doesn't hit people unless they're used to Disneyland. It is larger, yes, but it's also much, much easier to get around. That "as crowded as Times Square on NYE" feeling I get at Disneyland basically every day I visit just doesn't happen at MK (unless it's specifically time for fireworks), and frankly that's nice. The general designs are more sophisticated and, other than the aforementioned Fantasyland/Tomorrowland example, show much more care in transitioning between areas. Attractions are more logically placed too. Of course, there's the obvious con that DL has a certain life and vitality to it that really only comes from spontaneity and its status as a passion project. Which is not to say that MK wouldn't have any semblance of life or passion if the company (or more specifically, the park/resort) was better run. The potential is there, and were the resort run with greater competence, it would be considerably closer to DL than it actually is.

Long story short: while there are fewer attractions (and yes, they need more), the actual park is generally better designed, more functional, and the overall experience more cohesive from a design perspective.
I actually like the compact, crowded feeling at DL, but I understand your point.
 

Californian Elitist

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When it comes to urban planning, people love narrow alleyways that are full of overhangs, balconies, and bustling life, similar to what can be found in many European towns. New Orleans Square is a master example of this. Mind you, wide boulevards with grand showcasing are likewise desirable, but send a different message than the comfort of a narrow corridor.

Just to visually make my point, here is Catania in Sicily, Italy. Incredibly quaint and charming, making those who see it feel nestled in a place of comfort.
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In contrast, here is the Louisiana Purchase Exposition of 1904. While it lacks the intimacy of the above, it fulfills our desire for grandeur.
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Applying these to Disneyland and Walt Disney World, Disneyland mimics that of the former, and as a result creates a natural sense of feeling at home due to its intimate setting. Walt Disney World, on the other hand, is an impressive feat that resembles more of the latter, at least in theory, though I'm of the belief it does not commit properly and fully to the idea, preventing it from captivating in the same way something like the St. Louis World's Fair manages to do.
Yes, it’s the quaintness that I love. But Disneyland’s size is also a constant reminder of its history, which is most likely why I like the compactness the most. I always hear about how the other Disney parks around the world have the space that Disneyland doesn’t have and how they’re much bigger. The small size of Disneyland is a testament to its originality, which I really like.

I do love a narrow street. Venice, Italy was a highlight of my trip because of this. They’re everywhere.

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I like the compact. Don’t like the crowded.
This is fair lol.
 

lazyboy97o

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Yes, it’s the quaintness that I love. But Disneyland’s size is also a constant reminder of its history, which is most likely why I like the compactness the most. I always hear about how the other Disney parks around the world have the space that Disneyland doesn’t have and how they’re much bigger. The small size of Disneyland is a testament to its originality, which I really like.

I do love a narrow street. Venice, Italy was a highlight of my trip because of this. They’re everywhere.

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This is fair lol.
There are big box strip malls (well, really their parking lots) that are bigger than center storico of Venice. It’s amazing how sense of space has just bloated.
 

waltography

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Yes, it’s the quaintness that I love. But Disneyland’s size is also a constant reminder of its history, which is most likely why I like the compactness the most. I always hear about how the other Disney parks around the world have the space that Disneyland doesn’t have and how they’re much bigger. The small size of Disneyland is a testament to its originality, which I really like.

I do love a narrow street. Venice, Italy was a highlight of my trip because of this. They’re everywhere.

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This is fair lol.
These narrow streets are what are missing to me in pretty much every new land Disney's come out with past New Orleans Square. I want these narrow streets with looming buildings that cast a shadow over the entire walkway, with random junctions sprinkled in that lead to places like the late Court of Angels.
 

Californian Elitist

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There are big box strip malls (well, really their parking lots) that are bigger than center storico of Venice. It’s amazing how sense of space has just bloated.
I couldn’t believe just how tiny the little center squares in Venice were. I got used to them eventually, but I was definitely shocked in the beginning.
These narrow streets are what are missing to me in pretty much every new land Disney's come out with past New Orleans Square. I want these narrow streets with looming buildings that cast a shadow over the entire walkway, with random junctions sprinkled in that lead to places like the late Court of Angels.
YES. My first thought when I walked into Galaxy Edge was that the space felt strange. I then realized that things were more spread out and that was why it felt weird to me. I was used to the compact, everything being stacked on top of each other feel that occurs in the rest of the park.
 

BuzzedPotatoHead89

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I couldn’t believe just how tiny the little center squares in Venice were. I got used to them eventually, but I was definitely shocked in the beginning.
America generally, as reflected in our urban planning/zoning, doesn’t know how to effectively use space or time as a function of our culture. We believe bigger/newer is better broadly speaking.

My favorite memory of being in Venice was being kicked out of a hole in the wall jewelry store by an old man and told to come back so the owner could take his siesta/lunch. One of those “never in America” moments, where money > time.

Interesting it took a global pandemic for much of America, and even Southern California (with similarly situated climate), to cede to the benefits of utilizing outdoor public spaces/sidewalks for Al Fresco dining.
 

Californian Elitist

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America generally, as reflected in our urban planning/zoning, doesn’t know how to effectively use space or time as a function of our culture. We believe bigger/newer is better broadly speaking.

My favorite memory of being in Venice was being kicked out of a hole in the wall jewelry store by an old man and told to come back so the owner could take his siesta/lunch. One of those “never in America” moments, where money > time.

Interesting it took a global pandemic for much of America, and even Southern California (with similarly situated climate), to cede to the benefits of utilizing outdoor public spaces/sidewalks for Al Fresco dining.
Absolutely. The “bigger is better” mentality even stretches down to our food portions. I lost weight during my Italy trip because of multiple things, one of them being smaller food portions.

I literally just had a conversation/debate about siestas with one of my Italian friends. He said he hates that Italians keep that tradition during heavy tourist seasons, but I think it’s great. Wish we knew how to take better and more breaks here in the States.
 

PiratesMansion

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I ran into someone on this last trip I never wanted to see again, because Disneyland is just like that, I guesssssss
I'm a teacher in Illinois. Years ago I ran into a student I had encountered as a substitute in a middle school. One who hadn't particularly been pleasant.

Where? In the middle of Fantasyland.

Which is all the more remarkable because the idea of going to Disneyland instead of WDW is straight up unfathomable for so many people here.
 
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Californian Elitist

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I’ve run into co-workers from two different employers at Disneyland numerous times.

My had planned to visit my great uncle’s grace years ago and were coordinating the visit. We asked one of my uncles to come, but he said he couldn’t make it because he was busy. We went to Penchanga Casino after leaving the gravesite to honor my great uncle (he and my grandmother loved going to Vegas together and just gambling in general). Within an hour of arriving, we spotted my uncle, the one who couldn’t make it because he was busy, at a slot machine, testing his luck.

Pathetic.
 

mickEblu

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I’ve run into co-workers from two different employers at Disneyland numerous times.

My had planned to visit my great uncle’s grace years ago and were coordinating the visit. We asked one of my uncles to come, but he said he couldn’t make it because he was busy. We went to Penchanga Casino after leaving the gravesite to honor my great uncle (he and my grandmother loved going to Vegas together and just gambling in general). Within an hour of arriving, we spotted my uncle, the one who couldn’t make it because he was busy, at a slot machine, testing his luck.

Pathetic.

Unk just wanted to start the Honoring a little early.
 

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