The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[SuddenStorm]

*sigh* I'm aware of the theme of Main Street and know the "legend" behind the utilidors. Bringing that up indicates that you completely missed my point. Let me try again:

No one complains about the Fab5 meet and greets at Town Square, even though the area is themed to a particular time and place that did not actually contain giant animals dressed in human clothing. Character meet and greets are expected because it's a theme park. I made this point to add fuel to my argument in favor of adding characters from any SW era to Galaxy's Edge. To further clarify, I was arguing that keeping GE limited to one timeline isn't necessary to keep the theme of GE. IMO, adding the characters that most people associate with SW (Han, Luke, Leia, Vader, Yoda, Mando, Grogu) would likely only be seen as a win by most people.

Beautifully said. Seeing Mickey in Main Street works because it's Disneyland, so of course Disney characters couldn't possibly be out of theme. There's a video on Youtube of Brer Fox messing around with guests dining at the Space Place in Tomorrowland in the '90s, where Space Mountain's queue is now. By modern WDI standards that would be horrifically out of place and Brer Fox should be limited to the immediate area around Splash Mountain, but everyone in that video was having a blast and it was absolutely delightful.

Saying you can't have the most popular Star Wars characters in a Star Wars land was a misguided approach and demonstrates modern WDI's complete lack of understanding about what makes Disneyland great.

 

[Rich T]

99.9% of guests entering Galaxy’s Edge don’t give a talking rodent’s posterior about the place’s backstory or the “timeline” of the SW universe (especially since the sequel trilogy was just made up as they went along—Star Wars Mad Libs!). Joe Public just wants to go on fun rides snd see Stormtroopers, Darth Vader, Chewie, Luke and maybe a bounty hunter.

 

[SuddenStorm]

99.9% of guests entering Galaxy’s Edge don’t give a talking rodent’s posterior about the place’s backstory or the “timeline” of the SW universe (especially since the sequel trilogy was just made up as they went along—Star Wars Mad Libs!). Joe Public just wants to go on fun rides snd see Stormtroopers, Darth Vader, Chewie, Luke and maybe a bounty hunter.

And what's sad is Disney already has those costumes on property. They wouldn't even have to design and pay for them. They're sitting in a backstage building ready to be used.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Galaxy's Edge is almost as intolerable as this forum ever since DLR closed.

 

[lazyboy97o]

*sigh* I'm aware of the theme of Main Street and know the "legend" behind the utilidors. Bringing that up indicates that you completely missed my point. Let me try again:

No one complains about the Fab5 meet and greets at Town Square, even though the area is themed to a particular time and place that did not actually contain giant animals dressed in human clothing. Character meet and greets are expected because it's a theme park. I made this point to add fuel to my argument in favor of adding characters from any SW era to Galaxy's Edge. To further clarify, I was arguing that keeping GE limited to one timeline isn't necessary to keep the theme of GE. IMO, adding the characters that most people associate with SW (Han, Luke, Leia, Vader, Yoda, Mando, Grogu) would likely only be seen as a win by most people.

Beautifully said. Seeing Mickey in Main Street works because it's Disneyland, so of course Disney characters couldn't possibly be out of theme. There's a video on Youtube of Brer Fox messing around with guests dining at the Space Place in Tomorrowland in the '90s, where Space Mountain's queue is now. By modern WDI standards that would be horrifically out of place and Brer Fox should be limited to the immediate area around Splash Mountain, but everyone in that video was having a blast and it was absolutely delightful.

Saying you can't have the most popular Star Wars characters in a Star Wars land was a misguided approach and demonstrates modern WDI's complete lack of understanding about what makes Disneyland great.

99.9% of guests entering Galaxy’s Edge don’t give a talking rodent’s posterior about the place’s backstory or the “timeline” of the SW universe (especially since the sequel trilogy was just made up as they went along—Star Wars Mad Libs!). Joe Public just wants to go on fun rides snd see Stormtroopers, Darth Vader, Chewie, Luke and maybe a bounty hunter.

What you don’t seem to realize you are saying is that Iger is right, Disneyland isn’t special because of its design and experience but because of the movie characters. That the placemaking and experience don’t matter so long as you can see characters you already know. It means it is the best decision to replace dated, characterless Twilight Zone with Guardians of the Galaxy. Pixar Pier is better than Paradise Pier as the Pixar characters are more recent and relevant. The Snow White ride does need more of the princess the movie is about and moves merchandise. So many of the criticisms of Galaxy’s Edge are based on ideas that are disliked everywhere else.

 

[Darkbeer1]

mickEBlu, here is something

Leaving California? A guide to what state is best to move to – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)

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To gauge the reasonableness of my scorecard, I compared results with the Top 10 states to which Californians chose to move in 2017-19 …

No. 1 Texas: Ranked by my metric as the 12th-best state for buying power and No. 8 after politics are factored in. Not terribly far off, I’d say.

No. 2 Arizona: 16th-best buying power; No. 20 with politics included. Its cost-of-living — 17% cheaper than California, by BEA math — is a key attraction.

No. 3 Washington state: Third-best buying power — an exact ranking match — but No. 29 with politics included. It’s basically California, with rain and greenery.

No. 4 Nevada: 30th-best buying power; No. 36 with politics included. This neighboring no-income-tax state is 16% cheaper than California.

No. 5 Oregon: 20th-best buying power; No. 42 with politics included. This neighboring state is 12% cheaper than California.

No. 6 Florida: No. 44 buying power; No. 40 with politics included. No income tax and 13% cheaper living attract retirees.

No. 7 Colorado: Ninth-best buying power; No. 31 with politics included. The state is 12% cheaper than California.

No. 8 New York: 13th-best buying power; No. 38 with politics included. You need a California salary (or more) to make this move pencil out.

No. 9 Idaho: No. 49 buying power; No. 27 with politics included. Poor job market but it’s become a retiree haven due to 21% cheaper living than California.

No. 10 North Carolina: 23th-best buying power; No. 30 with politics included. Its draw? Likely being 21% cheaper than California.<<

If you need more of the article, let me know.

 

[mickEblu]

mickEBlu, here is something

Leaving California? A guide to what state is best to move to – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)

>>
To gauge the reasonableness of my scorecard, I compared results with the Top 10 states to which Californians chose to move in 2017-19 …

No. 1 Texas: Ranked by my metric as the 12th-best state for buying power and No. 8 after politics are factored in. Not terribly far off, I’d say.

No. 2 Arizona: 16th-best buying power; No. 20 with politics included. Its cost-of-living — 17% cheaper than California, by BEA math — is a key attraction.

No. 3 Washington state: Third-best buying power — an exact ranking match — but No. 29 with politics included. It’s basically California, with rain and greenery.

No. 4 Nevada: 30th-best buying power; No. 36 with politics included. This neighboring no-income-tax state is 16% cheaper than California.

No. 5 Oregon: 20th-best buying power; No. 42 with politics included. This neighboring state is 12% cheaper than California.

No. 6 Florida: No. 44 buying power; No. 40 with politics included. No income tax and 13% cheaper living attract retirees.

No. 7 Colorado: Ninth-best buying power; No. 31 with politics included. The state is 12% cheaper than California.

No. 8 New York: 13th-best buying power; No. 38 with politics included. You need a California salary (or more) to make this move pencil out.

No. 9 Idaho: No. 49 buying power; No. 27 with politics included. Poor job market but it’s become a retiree haven due to 21% cheaper living than California.

No. 10 North Carolina: 23th-best buying power; No. 30 with politics included. Its draw? Likely being 21% cheaper than California.<<

If you need more of the article, let me know.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Communicora]

What you don’t seem to realize you are saying is that Iger is right, Disneyland isn’t special because of its design and experience but because of the movie characters. That the placemaking and experience don’t matter so long as you can see characters you already know. It means it is the best decision to replace dated, characterless Twilight Zone with Guardians of the Galaxy. Pixar Pier is better than Paradise Pier as the Pixar characters are more recent and relevant. The Snow White ride does need more of the princess the movie is about and moves merchandise. So many of the criticisms of Galaxy’s Edge are based on ideas that are disliked everywhere else.

That's not entirely fair because Galaxy's Edge only exists because of the movies that introduced us to these characters. This argument would make more sense if we were discussing converting Tomorrowland to a Star Wars character-centric experience.

 

[DrAlice]

What you don’t seem to realize you are saying is that Iger is right, Disneyland isn’t special because of its design and experience but because of the movie characters. That the placemaking and experience don’t matter so long as you can see characters you already know. It means it is the best decision to replace dated, characterless Twilight Zone with Guardians of the Galaxy. Pixar Pier is better than Paradise Pier as the Pixar characters are more recent and relevant. The Snow White ride does need more of the princess the movie is about and moves merchandise. So many of the criticisms of Galaxy’s Edge are based on ideas that are disliked everywhere else.

So you're saying that the Fab5 should be removed from Town Square and Main Street because they don't match the theme? Of course you aren't. Just like I never argued for any of the stuff you listed here.

Let's agree to disagree, I'll return to lurk status, and @Rich T can continue to post awesome screenshots of their virtual theme park building (seriously, I look forward to those!).

That's not entirely fair because Galaxy's Edge only exists because of the movies that introduced us to these characters. This argument would make more sense if we were discussing converting Tomorrowland to a Star Wars character-centric experience.

Well said.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's not entirely fair because Galaxy's Edge only exists because of the movies that introduced us to these characters. This argument would make more sense if we were discussing converting Tomorrowland to a Star Wars character-centric experience.

And the Wizarding World of Harry Potter only exists because of its namesake character and his friends but you can't find him or his friends anywhere walking around the lands that are themselves lauded. The problem with Galaxy's Edge isn't that it is unfamiliar, which would be true of anything created specifically for the parks, but that it is poorly designed in some very fundamental ways.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The El Capitan in Hollywood is selling some interesting merchandise online. I don’t know if these were being sold at the parks before closing.

I like the Disneyland retro popcorn box, but it looks kinda cheap and I hate that they included Star Wars on it. Same with the mug, I hate that BB-8 is on there.

 

[Rich T]

What you don’t seem to realize you are saying is that Iger is right, Disneyland isn’t special because of its design and experience but because of the movie characters. That the placemaking and experience don’t matter so long as you can see characters you already know. It means it is the best decision to replace dated, characterless Twilight Zone with Guardians of the Galaxy. Pixar Pier is better than Paradise Pier as the Pixar characters are more recent and relevant. The Snow White ride does need more of the princess the movie is about and moves merchandise. So many of the criticisms of Galaxy’s Edge are based on ideas that are disliked everywhere else.

No, what we’re saying is that Galaxy’s Edge completely ignores all the characters and settings that made SW appealing in tbe first place, that no one cares about the uninteresting, ugly, boring-backstory garbage pit they constructed (so sure were they that Lucas’s characters and settings weren’t necessary) and that’s precisely why GE disappoints so many people. It would be like if they had built Cars Land, but then said “Folks, we know you love Lightning McQueen and his friends, but you know what you’ll love even more? Gergins McMotors! He lives in this wonderful town we’ve built called Battery Acid Flats. It looks awful and cold and boring, but that’s part of the backstory we spent months crafting! And our cast members aren’t allowed to speak human talk—They’ll communicate solely through beeps and honks! You’ll feel so immersed meeting all the Not-Lightning-McQueen characters!”

We’d all rather have fantastic, original, APPEALING creations like Haunted Mansion or Pirates or Big Thunder. But, for goodness sake, if Disney insists on building a land based on a hugely popular franchise someone else created, they should NOT have turned their nose up at 40 YEARS worth of fan loyalty while arrogantly thinking their own, new lightsaber-wielding Gergins Cloudbumper and Keelo Wren in the spacebase of Dumpsterfire would be every bit as appealing.

‘Cause they aren’t. And Disney knows dang well how badly they fumbled.

 

[Rich T]

Let's agree to disagree, I'll return to lurk status, and @Rich T can continue to post awesome screenshots of their virtual theme park building (seriously, I look forward to those!).

Why, thank you! And, um, well...

That last one is from my first try at a dark ride. I gotta say, Planet Coaster is reeeally helping me keep hopeful and optimistic these days!

 

[DrAlice]

Why, thank you! And, um, well...
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The rider on the right is hilarious! I don't think he's going to recover. Do you include discounted therapy sessions with your season passes?

 

[Rich T]

The rider on the right is hilarious! I don't think he's going to recover. Do you include discounted therapy sessions with your season passes?

No, but all traumatized passholders get a hug from Gulpee Rex! And a copy of the “No Refunds” paragraph in the AP agreement.

 

[Figments Friend]

Do any of you fellows have a favorite Disney composer? For me, it's George Bruns without question. I love all of those rousing action pieces and banging jazz numbers, as well as his atmospheric woodwind-focused arrangements for The Jungle Book and Pirates. Even his mundane stuff is distinctly less boring than filler pieces from most other composers.

Buddy Baker, baby!



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[Figments Friend]

The Sword in the Stone is also a personal favorite of mine. I love animation and the jokes. I stated months ago, Sugar Bowl is an underrated character and easily one of the best in the film. The best part is when he pops Arthur on the knuckles with his spoon for attempting to touch him.

Might watch the movie this weekend.

Archimedes for the win !!

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[Californian Elitist]

Archimedes for the win !!


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Agreed! One of my favorite Disney characters, who is also very funny.

 

[mickEblu]

Has anyone seen any of the new Disneyland billboards? Guess they re really trying to get on Sacramento’s good side now.

 

[Okee68]

Countless people have brought up the fact that the sword from The Sword in the Stone is actually lodged inside an anvil, which is merely on top of the titular stone, but just moments ago I realized that the sword is obviously long enough to penetrate all the way through the anvil and cut deep into the stone. So yes, it is indeed "the sword in the stone".