The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
No, just a contributing member. I think every church expects that, Iā€™m ok with it.. but we go less and less often to our parish weekend mass, their times donā€™t mesh with Tā€™s sports... Sunday evening work best for us...but really it depends on the weekend. Other times we do Sunday morning at our parish.

Our pastor has been talking about the budget for close to a year now. I know the church has made some changes, but itā€™s a relatively affluent parish, so I never really took it to heart beyond a guilt factor for people to give more.

Apparently the school changes are due to the way tuition has been set up, not raising enough year after year, but mostly with multiple children. There was a huge discount for 2 children, same with 3+.... .they have adjusted those as well now.. and 4th or 5th child will not be charged base tuition. Iā€™d say most families have between 3-5 kids, 3-4 being the most common.

Hereā€™s a few excerpts from the email to the entire parish last month. This might help explain.

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The school email came separately on Friday, only to families with students enrolled in the school.

Hereā€™s an excerpt explaining the multi student discount, and ā€œnewā€ payment plan available for the 19/20 school year (it has always been one payment in June, or 2 payments 1 in June and 1 in December, now they are offering a monthly plan for 11 months)

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This one came the day before..
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I will give our school a lot of credit, especially compared to public.. we have a much smaller staff than public schools.. and we have a lot more volunteers. I do not think any of the positions are wasteful. Iā€™m shocked though because we also do a TON of fundraising for the school.. I just didnā€™t see this coming. High School sounds far off, but 5 years isnā€™t that far away, and high school tuition gets more obnoxious by the year.. I have a special savings dedicated to high school.. the grade school tuition hike was a curveball though., I look at what Iā€™m now spending on school and sports these days and it makes my head spin, especially since I know itā€™s going to continue to get worse.
I guess Iā€™m just whining, so much has changed in such a short time.



This is so amazing!!!! Iā€™m excited for you!!!

Holy moly!! I don't pretend to know what it takes financially to run an institution like what you guys have going on there, but they're raking in over a million a year in just envelopes. Plus tuition and sports and fundraising and I'm sure other stuff. I know you see this differently than I do, but I would be really put off by an organization saying that A) I HAD to give additional money above my tuition for my kid to go to that school, and 2) that all that other money wasn't enough and everyone needed to donate more. It feels like they're squeezing every last drop out of their parishoners instead of taking a look at where their money is going and making better choices. What a guilt trip! "Because you only donated a million dollars this year, we're forced to only do necessary capital projects" would make me say... Good!
 

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
Surprised that Snow White was only 14.

By the way, good to see you back here--I realize you've been very busy. And Happy Birthday to A!!! :inlove:

Thank you!! I've missed you guys!

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My kid!!!!!!!

@SteveBrickNJ and @ajrwdwgirl - Please advise!!!

Long, but bear with me please...
I picked up T and we got home a little bit ago... he has a huge school project coming up at end of month. ā€œWax Museum.ā€ We have to read a biography, build a booth with props, he has to be in costume and character.. he also has to make a button for people to press, and at that point he tells about ā€œhimselfā€ (memorized oral presentation in character)

Originallly he wanted to be Walt Disney, apparently a kid was also prepared and had a book ready. Then T said LeBron James then Nelson Mandela. I urged him (due to current social climate) to pick someone who has an easier costume.

He chose Henry Flagler. Ok, fine.
Then last night he says ā€œNo, I want to be Beethovenā€ Ok, fine too.

I emailed his Language Arts teacher and told her that I ordered a book online from B&N and would pick up in the store today, I was worried that the school library would not have a book on either subject. I also printed out both orders of each subject - marked ā€œ1st choiceā€ and ā€œ2nd choiceā€.

All good, right?

Nooo!!

He came home with this!!

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He already turned in the title as his project. (The subject/book was due today)

What should I do????

I donā€™t want T to end up on the internet as ā€œwhite kid doing cultural appropriationā€, especially not on the heels of CovCath.

This event is put on in the Auditorium during an evening for people to attend. Not just something in class.

I was Sacajawea for a similar project when I was kid..(not wax Museum, but in character).. that was fine back then.. but I donā€™t think itā€™s fine in todayā€™s world. Iā€™m so upset!!!! Should I email the teacher again??

For what it's worth here...... cultural appropriation is a fine line but there's no reason T cannot do his project on Geronimo. Dressing up as the character is totally fine, as long as he doesn't paint his face brown or wear stereotypical things that Geronimo actually didn't wear, or say things like "How, white man". T doesn't strike me as the kind of kid that would do those things. Having a respectful presentation while dressed similar to Geronimo won't get set him up for failure.

But I do think it's important for you to be comfortable here as well, since it's in front of the assembly.
 

Songbird76

Well-Known Member
Feel free to skip over this as it's long. I'm a bit disgruntled with DH. He's gone to play Ingress every weekend for like...the last 6-8 weeks. Last weekend (Feb. 23rd) , he didn't have anything planned and then asked if I minded him going out, because something came up that wasn't on the schedule. I told him ok, on one condition....the next weekend (this past weekend) was MY weekend, because we hadn't gotten to spend time together since New Years, and I've been stuck at the house every weekend because if he leaves, I have to stay with the kids and we can't go anywhere because we don't have a car. He's going to play every weekend, eating in restaurants, etc, while I'm left to make sure the grocery shopping is done, the kids are fed and do their homework, etc.

So he agreed, it was my turn. Then AFTER he put it in the schedule, he realized that there was something he had already signed up for and forgotten to put in the schedule for this past weekend that was supposed to be MY weekend. He didn't even offer to cancel the one that he was now breaking his promise to me to attend, but I figured, meh, we didn't have anything on the schedule and I don't mind being at home. It's only one more week. But it also feels like he's not listening when he's here. DD invited a friend over and I told her she had to clean her room and we needed to clean up our craft stuff downstairs so they could use the coffee table for their junk food while they watched the movies. Friday, I spent the day cleaning downstairs, putting craft stuff away, etc, and I had to work in the evening until 11. Saturday, DD got her room cleaned, but I cleaned all the stuff up downstairs. But in any case, DH then left dishes all over. I asked him to please remember to take them to the kitchen (Dishes are supposed to be his territory, which he has now decided the kids will start doing the dishes to get more allowance) so the coffee table was cleared for the girls. He nodded. I wake up Monday morning and the dishes are still sitting on the table exactly like they were the day before and he's gone to work for the day....so now I have to clean up his mess AND do the dishes before DD's friend gets here, even though I had JUST cleaned everything up Friday.

DD spent all day Saturday and Sunday cleaning her room while I spring cleaned the upstairs bathroom and helped her intermittently with her room, and there were several trash bags that wouldn't fit in the bin. He was off playing Ingress....I had filled the garbage can already, and set some of the bags in front of it because they wouldn't fit. So on Sunday he was home, just playing on his computer and playing boardgames with DS, there was one bag that was a bit heavy and I was afraid I'd lose my balance going down the stairs since my hip doesn't always work well on stairs. So I asked him to get it, which he did...but he set it in the kitchen in front of a cupboard. No biggie, I set a couple more there as it was pouring buckets and I didn't want to walk out to the shed with them in the rain. DD and I rewarded ourselves for our hard work by going to dinner so we didn't have to cook after spending the weekend cleaning. So I asked DH to please take out the trash bags (it had stopped raining) so DD and I could make a cheesecake when we got home....we'd need things out of the cupboard where those trash bags were stacked. And we come home, and DH goes and sits down to play chess with DS. So guess who had to carry all the trash bags out?

Then DD ran out of her cherry yogurt, which the store by our house does not carry. We have to go to the Jumbo to get it. So, yesterday, DD has her friend over to spend the night, and I ask her what she normally eats for breakfast, she says yogurt. So I asked DH to go get some of the cherry yogurt at Jumbo while I'm at choir so they have it in the morning. I get home from choir, and he says the Albert Heijn didn't have the cherry, so he got strawberry. I said No....JUMBO....I told you to go to Jumbo because Albert Heijn doesn't have it! He says "Oh....I missed that. I went to the other Albert Heijn." :banghead::banghead::banghead: So we both work all week, and he goes out to play every weekend and leaves me to do all the work at home. I get things cleaned up, and he promptly leaves trash and dishes all over my cleaned up space and ignores me when I remind him to clean up after himself, and when he DOES do something, he doesn't listen to what I asked him to do. And then he complains about the way I handled the garbage, and the dishes, etc. Well then get your nose out of your phone and HELP me instead of leaving everything up to me while you run off to play!

Sorry...I just needed to vent.
 

Songbird76

Well-Known Member
Holy moly!! I don't pretend to know what it takes financially to run an institution like what you guys have going on there, but they're raking in over a million a year in just envelopes. Plus tuition and sports and fundraising and I'm sure other stuff. I know you see this differently than I do, but I would be really put off by an organization saying that A) I HAD to give additional money above my tuition for my kid to go to that school, and 2) that all that other money wasn't enough and everyone needed to donate more. It feels like they're squeezing every last drop out of their parishoners instead of taking a look at where their money is going and making better choices. What a guilt trip! "Because you only donated a million dollars this year, we're forced to only do necessary capital projects" would make me say... Good!
My thoughts exactly, and you worded it so much better than I could. But....isn't a church supposed to be non-profit? They aren't a business. The money coming in SHOULD be used to run the school and for upkeep on the grounds and facilities. And now they are reducing staff hours so they don't have to spend as much money, even though the money is there? The email even said NO, we're not having financial problems. So basically...we have enough, but we want more. (For what???) And unless we get it, we're going to reduce the quality of services you are already paying for. It sounds more like a corporation than a church.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
Holy moly!! I don't pretend to know what it takes financially to run an institution like what you guys have going on there, but they're raking in over a million a year in just envelopes. Plus tuition and sports and fundraising and I'm sure other stuff. I know you see this differently than I do, but I would be really put off by an organization saying that A) I HAD to give additional money above my tuition for my kid to go to that school, and 2) that all that other money wasn't enough and everyone needed to donate more. It feels like they're squeezing every last drop out of their parishoners instead of taking a look at where their money is going and making better choices. What a guilt trip! "Because you only donated a million dollars this year, we're forced to only do necessary capital projects" would make me say... Good!

Every Catholic school that I know of does require that you be a member of their parish, or you have to pay ā€˜out of parishā€™ rates, which are higher. There are people who do this, some because they live farther away, some because they arenā€™t Catholic.

Youā€™re so correct about the guilt. This has been that way since we came here. I remember at Kindergarten orientation we were told that the actual cost of each childā€™s education was $11, 700... and that we are extremely lucky that the parish contributes to the school, subsidizing the tuition so we can pay less, and this is done through parishner donations to the church and school, including our donations. (We donā€™t pay anywhere near that amount for 1 child). In the email it says that the long term goal is to have a 10% subsidiary. I hope Iā€™m not there when that happens. I canā€™t imagine. Parochial schools are less expensive than independent private elementary schools. There are independent elementary schools who have a tuition of 11-24k per year, I could not afford that, hence why we donā€™t attend one. Iā€™m happy with the education he receives. High school is over 14 now, for just base tuition, at the schools T will attend, thatā€™s enough imo.

I wish they would add a Sunday evening mass, I think they would see higher attendance and more donations as a result. Iā€™m not sure why they havenā€™t done this, maybe we just donā€™t have an available priest.
 

MySmallWorldof4

Well-Known Member
I wasn't allowed to speak English in the house. We lived with my in-laws, and my FIL couldn't speak or understand English at all, so English was banned. They thought I would learn Dutch faster if I wasn't allowed to speak English, and as it was their house, it was their rules. But yes, awkward and lonely. Very very lonely. I was SOOOOOO happy when I was finally placed in school, because I finally met some other people, and it got me out of the house every day and my in-laws weren't at school to tell me I couldn't speak English with my friends. My first 6 months in the Netherlands were not very pleasant. Once I got to go to school, things got a bit better.
Kudos to you for sticking it out and surviving.
 

MySmallWorldof4

Well-Known Member
So they do have one more tournament, but the final ranking is done by video instead of live?
They have 2 more regular season competitions and then the final which brings the ā€œbestā€ teams from the region. Yes, the final rankings are based on the videos from the final routine done at US Finals. So they may get 1st, 2nd, 3rd place etc at the local US Finals, but then those teams all get ranked against other teams from the other regional competitions. The only way to do that is by watching videos of all the routines. So a first place team at one US Final competitikn may end up with a final ranking on 8 based on other team results. The teams still get their local awards regardless of final rankings. Ddā€™s team last year got 2nd in their division last year and got a nice 2nd place trophy. I have no idea though how they ranked nationally. They got lucky at the local because the judges missed a tumbling fall by one child. Guessing it wasnā€™t missed by the final nationwide judging.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
My thoughts exactly, and you worded it so much better than I could. But....isn't a church supposed to be non-profit? They aren't a business. The money coming in SHOULD be used to run the school and for upkeep on the grounds and facilities. And now they are reducing staff hours so they don't have to spend as much money, even though the money is there? The email even said NO, we're not having financial problems. So basically...we have enough, but we want more. (For what???) And unless we get it, we're going to reduce the quality of services you are already paying for. It sounds more like a corporation than a church.

They are still a business. They have to pay their teachers, staff, building upkeep etc. The church offers a lot of programs as well, ie counseling, English classes, different groups.. so the money collected from donations isnā€™t solely for the school, we recently built a new church as the parish has grown. Most things though, including our landscaping, decorations, etc- these are donated services by specific parishioners. We only have one maintenance employee for the entire grounds. Parents in the athletic club volunteer to proving lawn service on our sports fields and we work the concession stands. But they do also pay someone to take care of the fields as far as lines, baseball diamonds etc.

I hope that makes sense? I donā€™t understand why the situation is so dire that we had to see such a drastic increase in one year, continuing for a total of 3 years.. and who knows what will happen after that. Our pastor is new-ish. He came to our church about 18 months ago. I guess the budget was a project of his, thatā€™s the only thing I can think of.
Heā€™s an amazing priest though... but i would think adding a mass would make more sense than an extreme hike in school tuition. I guess that wouldnā€™t make up enough.. I just donā€™t want to see the school tuition raise anywhere near a ā€œ10% parish contributionā€... if that happens they will see a lot less donations at weekend mass, but maybe theyā€™re thinking it will all even out or be better that way? I honestly donā€™t know. Times like this Iā€™m glad that I only have one child, as much as my son hates being an only child. ;) I feel bad for families who have 2 kids in high school and 2 kids in elementary school, theyā€™re taking a huge hit.
 
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Rista1313

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Feel free to skip over this as it's long. I'm a bit disgruntled with DH. He's gone to play Ingress every weekend for like...the last 6-8 weeks. Last weekend (Feb. 23rd) , he didn't have anything planned and then asked if I minded him going out, because something came up that wasn't on the schedule. I told him ok, on one condition....the next weekend (this past weekend) was MY weekend, because we hadn't gotten to spend time together since New Years, and I've been stuck at the house every weekend because if he leaves, I have to stay with the kids and we can't go anywhere because we don't have a car. He's going to play every weekend, eating in restaurants, etc, while I'm left to make sure the grocery shopping is done, the kids are fed and do their homework, etc.

So he agreed, it was my turn. Then AFTER he put it in the schedule, he realized that there was something he had already signed up for and forgotten to put in the schedule for this past weekend that was supposed to be MY weekend. He didn't even offer to cancel the one that he was now breaking his promise to me to attend, but I figured, meh, we didn't have anything on the schedule and I don't mind being at home. It's only one more week. But it also feels like he's not listening when he's here. DD invited a friend over and I told her she had to clean her room and we needed to clean up our craft stuff downstairs so they could use the coffee table for their junk food while they watched the movies. Friday, I spent the day cleaning downstairs, putting craft stuff away, etc, and I had to work in the evening until 11. Saturday, DD got her room cleaned, but I cleaned all the stuff up downstairs. But in any case, DH then left dishes all over. I asked him to please remember to take them to the kitchen (Dishes are supposed to be his territory, which he has now decided the kids will start doing the dishes to get more allowance) so the coffee table was cleared for the girls. He nodded. I wake up Monday morning and the dishes are still sitting on the table exactly like they were the day before and he's gone to work for the day....so now I have to clean up his mess AND do the dishes before DD's friend gets here, even though I had JUST cleaned everything up Friday.

DD spent all day Saturday and Sunday cleaning her room while I spring cleaned the upstairs bathroom and helped her intermittently with her room, and there were several trash bags that wouldn't fit in the bin. He was off playing Ingress....I had filled the garbage can already, and set some of the bags in front of it because they wouldn't fit. So on Sunday he was home, just playing on his computer and playing boardgames with DS, there was one bag that was a bit heavy and I was afraid I'd lose my balance going down the stairs since my hip doesn't always work well on stairs. So I asked him to get it, which he did...but he set it in the kitchen in front of a cupboard. No biggie, I set a couple more there as it was pouring buckets and I didn't want to walk out to the shed with them in the rain. DD and I rewarded ourselves for our hard work by going to dinner so we didn't have to cook after spending the weekend cleaning. So I asked DH to please take out the trash bags (it had stopped raining) so DD and I could make a cheesecake when we got home....we'd need things out of the cupboard where those trash bags were stacked. And we come home, and DH goes and sits down to play chess with DS. So guess who had to carry all the trash bags out?

Then DD ran out of her cherry yogurt, which the store by our house does not carry. We have to go to the Jumbo to get it. So, yesterday, DD has her friend over to spend the night, and I ask her what she normally eats for breakfast, she says yogurt. So I asked DH to go get some of the cherry yogurt at Jumbo while I'm at choir so they have it in the morning. I get home from choir, and he says the Albert Heijn didn't have the cherry, so he got strawberry. I said No....JUMBO....I told you to go to Jumbo because Albert Heijn doesn't have it! He says "Oh....I missed that. I went to the other Albert Heijn." :banghead::banghead::banghead: So we both work all week, and he goes out to play every weekend and leaves me to do all the work at home. I get things cleaned up, and he promptly leaves trash and dishes all over my cleaned up space and ignores me when I remind him to clean up after himself, and when he DOES do something, he doesn't listen to what I asked him to do. And then he complains about the way I handled the garbage, and the dishes, etc. Well then get your nose out of your phone and HELP me instead of leaving everything up to me while you run off to play!

Sorry...I just needed to vent.
Sounds like it's time to sit down for a heart to heart.
 

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
It's important to have this conversation though! He needs to know WHY you are making him change.

I find this to be the most important thing in parenting. The why. Why this is not allowed and that is. Why I'm saying to think about this some more. Why it's okay to eat ice cream for breakfast today and not other days. Without the why, are they really learning any lesson here? I want her to know the way I'm thinking about things so she can counter and negotiate and learn to reach these conclusions herself.

Feel free to skip over this as it's long. I'm a bit disgruntled with DH. He's gone to play Ingress every weekend for like...the last 6-8 weeks. Last weekend (Feb. 23rd) , he didn't have anything planned and then asked if I minded him going out, because something came up that wasn't on the schedule. I told him ok, on one condition....the next weekend (this past weekend) was MY weekend, because we hadn't gotten to spend time together since New Years, and I've been stuck at the house every weekend because if he leaves, I have to stay with the kids and we can't go anywhere because we don't have a car. He's going to play every weekend, eating in restaurants, etc, while I'm left to make sure the grocery shopping is done, the kids are fed and do their homework, etc.

So he agreed, it was my turn. Then AFTER he put it in the schedule, he realized that there was something he had already signed up for and forgotten to put in the schedule for this past weekend that was supposed to be MY weekend. He didn't even offer to cancel the one that he was now breaking his promise to me to attend, but I figured, meh, we didn't have anything on the schedule and I don't mind being at home. It's only one more week. But it also feels like he's not listening when he's here. DD invited a friend over and I told her she had to clean her room and we needed to clean up our craft stuff downstairs so they could use the coffee table for their junk food while they watched the movies. Friday, I spent the day cleaning downstairs, putting craft stuff away, etc, and I had to work in the evening until 11. Saturday, DD got her room cleaned, but I cleaned all the stuff up downstairs. But in any case, DH then left dishes all over. I asked him to please remember to take them to the kitchen (Dishes are supposed to be his territory, which he has now decided the kids will start doing the dishes to get more allowance) so the coffee table was cleared for the girls. He nodded. I wake up Monday morning and the dishes are still sitting on the table exactly like they were the day before and he's gone to work for the day....so now I have to clean up his mess AND do the dishes before DD's friend gets here, even though I had JUST cleaned everything up Friday.

DD spent all day Saturday and Sunday cleaning her room while I spring cleaned the upstairs bathroom and helped her intermittently with her room, and there were several trash bags that wouldn't fit in the bin. He was off playing Ingress....I had filled the garbage can already, and set some of the bags in front of it because they wouldn't fit. So on Sunday he was home, just playing on his computer and playing boardgames with DS, there was one bag that was a bit heavy and I was afraid I'd lose my balance going down the stairs since my hip doesn't always work well on stairs. So I asked him to get it, which he did...but he set it in the kitchen in front of a cupboard. No biggie, I set a couple more there as it was pouring buckets and I didn't want to walk out to the shed with them in the rain. DD and I rewarded ourselves for our hard work by going to dinner so we didn't have to cook after spending the weekend cleaning. So I asked DH to please take out the trash bags (it had stopped raining) so DD and I could make a cheesecake when we got home....we'd need things out of the cupboard where those trash bags were stacked. And we come home, and DH goes and sits down to play chess with DS. So guess who had to carry all the trash bags out?

Then DD ran out of her cherry yogurt, which the store by our house does not carry. We have to go to the Jumbo to get it. So, yesterday, DD has her friend over to spend the night, and I ask her what she normally eats for breakfast, she says yogurt. So I asked DH to go get some of the cherry yogurt at Jumbo while I'm at choir so they have it in the morning. I get home from choir, and he says the Albert Heijn didn't have the cherry, so he got strawberry. I said No....JUMBO....I told you to go to Jumbo because Albert Heijn doesn't have it! He says "Oh....I missed that. I went to the other Albert Heijn." :banghead::banghead::banghead: So we both work all week, and he goes out to play every weekend and leaves me to do all the work at home. I get things cleaned up, and he promptly leaves trash and dishes all over my cleaned up space and ignores me when I remind him to clean up after himself, and when he DOES do something, he doesn't listen to what I asked him to do. And then he complains about the way I handled the garbage, and the dishes, etc. Well then get your nose out of your phone and HELP me instead of leaving everything up to me while you run off to play!

Sorry...I just needed to vent.

That's frustrating! You sound like you're reaching a breaking point with this and I would be too. Quality family time is the most important thing a family can do.
 

MySmallWorldof4

Well-Known Member
No, just a contributing member. I think every church expects that, Iā€™m ok with it.. but we go less and less often to our parish weekend mass, their times donā€™t mesh with Tā€™s sports... Sunday evening work best for us...but really it depends on the weekend. Other times we do Sunday morning at our parish.

Our pastor has been talking about the budget for close to a year now. I know the church has made some changes, but itā€™s a relatively affluent parish, so I never really took it to heart beyond a guilt factor for people to give more.

Apparently the school changes are due to the way tuition has been set up, not raising enough year after year, but mostly with multiple children. There was a huge discount for 2 children, same with 3+.... .they have adjusted those as well now.. and 4th or 5th child will not be charged base tuition. Iā€™d say most families have between 3-5 kids, 3-4 being the most common.

Hereā€™s a few excerpts from the email to the entire parish last month. This might help explain.

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View attachment 354262




View attachment 354263View attachment 354264



The school email came separately on Friday, only to families with students enrolled in the school.

Hereā€™s an excerpt explaining the multi student discount, and ā€œnewā€ payment plan available for the 19/20 school year (it has always been one payment in June, or 2 payments 1 in June and 1 in December, now they are offering a monthly plan for 11 months)

View attachment 354268


This one came the day before..
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I will give our school a lot of credit, especially compared to public.. we have a much smaller staff than public schools.. and we have a lot more volunteers. I do not think any of the positions are wasteful. Iā€™m shocked though because we also do a TON of fundraising for the school.. I just didnā€™t see this coming. High School sounds far off, but 5 years isnā€™t that far away, and high school tuition gets more obnoxious by the year.. I have a special savings dedicated to high school.. the grade school tuition hike was a curveball though., I look at what Iā€™m now spending on school and sports these days and it makes my head spin, especially since I know itā€™s going to continue to get worse.
I guess Iā€™m just whining, so much has changed in such a short time.



This is so amazing!!!! Iā€™m excited for you!!!
The explanation of the hike seems reasonable. At least they are offering monthly payment plans now. I know that lots of Catholic schools have closed due to monetary issues described in the letter. One of my silā€™s used to work in a Catholic school in NJ 2 years ago. The school closed and she needed to find employment elsewhere. She was really sad because she loved working there. She said there is only 1 Catholic school left now in an area that had many.
 

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
Every Catholic school that I know of does require that you be a member of their parish, or you have to pay ā€˜out of parishā€™ rates, which are higher. There are people who do this, some because they live farther away, some because they arenā€™t Catholic.

Youā€™re so correct about the guilt. This has been that way since we came here. I remember at Kindergarten orientation we were told that the actual cost of each childā€™s education was $11, 700... and that we are extremely lucky that the parish contributes to the school, subsidizing the tuition so we can pay less, and this is done through parishner donations to the church and school, including our donations. (We donā€™t pay anywhere near that amount for 1 child). In the email it says that the long term goal is to have a 10% subsidiary. I hope Iā€™m not there when that happens. I canā€™t imagine. Parochial schools are less expensive than independent private elementary schools. There are independent elementary schools who have a tuition of 11-24k per year, I could not afford that, hence why we donā€™t attend one. Iā€™m happy with the education he receives. High school is over 14 now, for just base tuition, at the schools T will attend, thatā€™s enough imo.

I wish they would add a Sunday evening mass, I think they would see higher attendance and more donations as a result. Iā€™m not sure why they havenā€™t done this, maybe we just donā€™t have an available priest.
They are still a business. They have to pay their teachers, staff, building upkeep etc. The church offers a lot of programs as well, ie counseling, English classes, different groups.. so the money collected from donations isnā€™t solely for the school, we recently built a new church as the parish has grown. Most things though, including our landscaping, decorations, etc- these are donated services by specific parishioners. We only have one maintenance employee for the entire grounds. Parents in the athletic club volunteer to proving lawn service on our sports fields and we work the concession stands. But they do also pay someone to take care of the fields as far as lines, baseball diamonds etc.

I hope that makes sense? I donā€™t understand why the situation is so dire that we had to see such a drastic increase in one year, continuing for a total of 3 years.. and who knows what will happen after that. Our pastor is new-ish. He came to our church about 18 months ago. I guess the budget was a project of his, thatā€™s the only thing I can think of.
Heā€™s an amazing priest though... but i would think adding a mass would make more sense than an extreme hike in school tuition. I guess that wouldnā€™t make up enough.. I just donā€™t want to see the school tuition raise anywhere near a ā€œ10% parish contributionā€... if that happens they will see a lot less donations at weekend mass, but maybe theyā€™re thinking it will all even out or be better that way? I honestly donā€™t know. Times like this Iā€™m glad that I only have one child, as much as my son hates being an only child. ;) I feel bad for families who have 2 kids in high school and 2 kids in elementary school, theyā€™re taking a huge hit.

I hope he's at least consulting a financial professional. Budgets aren't easy to manage, and I hope all these changes are coming with weighing the risks and calculating future projections. This is.... this would be too much for me.
 

21stamps

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The explanation of the hike seems reasonable. At least they are offering monthly payment plans now. I know that lots of Catholic schools have closed due to monetary issues described in the letter. One of my silā€™s used to work in a Catholic school in NJ 2 years ago. The school closed and she needed to find employment elsewhere. She was really sad because she loved working there. She said there is only 1 Catholic school left now in an area that had many.

There have been quite a few Catholic elementary schools who have closed over the past few years in the greater Cincinnati area as well.. a few high schools have had to combine, after one needing to close, respectively.

There are several that are thriving, I guess they want to make sure we continue to thrive and never get close to closing the doors on the school.. I appreciate being proactive, just doesnā€™t make the pill easier to swallow. I guess it does make sense though.
 

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