The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

[Songbird76]

After the doc gave me another nebulizer treatment less than four hours after my last one, he gave me another medication to try to get me through the night. I was too tight for him to hear what's going on, so I get a chest x-ray tomorrow.

No work for me. Of course, when your doctor says, "If you get any worse, go to the ER" I would kind of think work is out of the question...ugh.

Well, I suppose it's a good sign that he didn't send you directly to the ER, although it doesn't sound great. I hope you feel better soon!

 

[Songbird76]

So I might have a new job (not official until the ink is dried). Same place, Newport which sucks, but different department and more money.

I still want to go overseas because the job I'm going to is not a career starter.

When you say it's not a career starter, do you mean there's no opportunity for advancement? Or just that it's not what you want to build your career on? Can it be a stepping stone to something better later on down the line? At least it's more money.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

@StarWarsGirl Thinking about you not feeling well. When does your WDW start, hope you are on the mend by then.

Two weeks from today I fly down in the evening.

 

[Songbird76]

Tens of millions of women choose to uphold these customs for a lot more reasons than "so my man can control me". In fact, you'll find most Muslim women do choose to wear the veil for the sake of modesty before God (same as Catholics covering their hair). Tens of millions of women choose to wear a veil on their wedding day because they find it pretty, or they want to look like their mom did, or they just like them, not because "my dad needs to pass me onto my husband as a possession".

Women can fight for equality without tearing other women down for making different choices than they would have made.

I chose a veil because I liked it....it was more a sentimental thing. I didn't have much of a relationship with my dad at the time and I had actually asked my brother to walk me down the aisle and my dad sounded so hurt when I told him, that I told him I had 2 sides...they could each walk on one side of me. I saw it more of a support for me and my decision in who I was marrying than as a control or handing me off. It was just...they were there for me every step of the way.
And I have a good friend here from Iran, and my neighbors on both sides are Turkish Muslims and none of them wear head coverings. My friend told me it's a woman's choice, though a husband might encourage it if he felt it was necessary...like...if they were going to a party and one of the men invited was known for having a wandering eye, a husband might ask his wife to cover up so as not to stand out to the pervert, but it would be her choice in whether or not she complied. She doesn't wear a covering and her husband isn't bothered by it, so she said if her husband ASKED her to for a specific event, she would trust his judgment. I don't really see it as any different than choosing a skirt, or a blouse....some things you wear might be a bit more revealing than others. I'm not a skin-bearing type, so I can't see myself in a mini-skirt, even if I had the body for it. But some women are perfectly comfortable in that, and that's their choice. I cover up not because of anyone else, but because -I- wouldn't feel comfortable with showing so much skin. It's just not me.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I hope this really helps you. Just curious--with your coupons, etc., how much did it save you off the sticker price? Might be some useful information for people looking for pricing on medications. Another reason why I like chit chat--we all learn from each other here.

I got on the manufacturer's website and got on their savings program right away. They sent me a savings card through my email that I showed to the pharmacist. That immediately brought it down by $100. All I had you do was enter my name, address, and email for the savings card. I found another coupon just through Google, and then I used rewards points. The price dropped to $250; which included more prednisone. Saved $150, and it did help me get more open and was cheaper than an ER visit. I'd rather sleep in my own bed with Belle over my chest than in the ER. Which normally her on my chest for too long is annoying, but somehow it's helpful when I'm this tight.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Why did you cancel it?

(you don't have to answer that if it's too personal)

We flew out to Gatwick on the Sunday night and by Monday there was Frances stopping all flights to Orlando. This was to be followed by Ivan. We were offered the option to travel to another destination or take a full refund of the holiday from Virgin. The decision was passed firmly into my hands .We took the refund and flew home.So for the last 13 years i have been "The husband who cancelled our honeymoon" . It is said with humour nowadays.

 

[Songbird76]

So...DD came home today and said the boy who stepped in front of her bike yesterday ran into her on purpose today during recess. He just casually walked past and rammed her with her his shoulder and elbow to make it look like an accident, which from the sounds of it, if anyone saw it, they'd have been able to see it wasn't really an accident. And he started complaining about how his arm hurt where she hit him, etc. She just told him it was his own fault for stepping in front of her. I've now emailed the school to let them know that the kid has started bullying her since my DS isn't there anymore. We'll hope they handle this a little bit better, but I'm not above contacting the police and filing a complaint against the little punk for harassment. Little darling doesn't know who he's messing with.

On a completely unrelated note, when I picked up DS from school today, the window in one of the doors was all boarded up. Apparently the glass shattered yesterday in the storm. My guess is that the wind picked up a pebble and blew it into the window. DS said the door was locked, so it didn't slam or anything in the wind. Doesn't sound like anyone was hurt, thank goodness!

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

So...DD came home today and said the boy who stepped in front of her bike yesterday ran into her on purpose today during recess. He just casually walked past and rammed her with her his shoulder and elbow to make it look like an accident, which from the sounds of it, if anyone saw it, they'd have been able to see it wasn't really an accident. And he started complaining about how his arm hurt where she hit him, etc. She just told him it was his own fault for stepping in front of her. I've now emailed the school to let them know that the kid has started bullying her since my DS isn't there anymore. We'll hope they handle this a little bit better, but I'm not above contacting the police and filing a complaint against the little punk for harassment. Little darling doesn't know who he's messing with.

On a completely unrelated note, when I picked up DS from school today, the window in one of the doors was all boarded up. Apparently the glass shattered yesterday in the storm. My guess is that the wind picked up a pebble and blew it into the window. DS said the door was locked, so it didn't slam or anything in the wind. Doesn't sound like anyone was hurt, thank goodness!

Good thing dd knows how to stand up for herself.

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

I got on the manufacturer's website and got on their savings program right away. They sent me a savings card through my email that I showed to the pharmacist. That immediately brought it down by $100. All I had you do was enter my name, address, and email for the savings card. I found another coupon just through Google, and then I used rewards points. The price dropped to $250; which included more prednisone. Saved $150, and it did help me get more open and was cheaper than an ER visit. I'd rather sleep in my own bed with Belle over my chest than in the ER. Which normally her on my chest for too long is annoying, but somehow it's helpful when I'm this tight.

Hoping you are better today. That was a great savings. Data plans are definitely necessary.

 

[FutureCEO]

When you say it's not a career starter, do you mean there's no opportunity for advancement? Or just that it's not what you want to build your career on? Can it be a stepping stone to something better later on down the line? At least it's more money.

Both but who knows I might be suprised and actually like it for a small while

 

[Cesar R M]

Hopefully the white stuff will melt. It is going to be over freezing here, and there are supposed to be a few 50's in the next week here. Crossing fingers.

Sometimes I thank god for living right next to the beach. Temps never go below 10C.

Reminds me that a lot of Canadian folks from Vancouver now move to my town to live the 6 months of "winter" here and move back in Summer (way too toasty for them)

 

[Cesar R M]

We flew out to Gatwick on the Sunday night and by Monday there was Frances stopping all flights to Orlando. This was to be followed by Ivan. We were offered the option to travel to another destination or take a full refund of the holiday from Virgin. The decision was passed firmly into my hands .We took the refund and flew home.So for the last 13 years i have been "The husband who cancelled our honeymoon" . It is said with humour nowadays.

Well, that was outside your hands. Its not like you decided "I want to put this F**ng huge hurricane where we are honeymooning!"

 

[Goofyernmost]

Glad to hear that you approve of veils. (runs and hides . . . ) You did present some interesting comments, though.

As others have shared, people do what's right for their own situation for personal reasons. Perhaps (for me, back when I was married) I never even considered any of the thoughts above, as I was very secure within myself, and certainly never thought of my role as being anything less than his. The traditional wedding outfit I chose was pretty fashion statement. Plus, at my wedding, I didn't have the giving away part by the dad, due to the fact that my father had passed away. (Although I have to smile here, thinking that if he was alive at the time, he'd probably say, "Take my daughter, Please!!" Reminds me a little of the old comedy gag routine by Henny Youngman.)

As a man, might I wade in here for a bit. Until this week I never knew that veil thing was about that. Presentation really? Never occurred to me. I always just saw it as a tradition and as a Father felt that it wasn't control it was a complete relinquishing of control, if any existed to begin with. Yes, I felt I was handing over something that I treasured, not as a gift, but, as respect for her wishes to leave the bonding with her Father and Mother. Never once a present to a man to have as a possession. If that is what it actually meant to not only me, but, to them as well, we never would have done it. Tradition was all it was about. That's the way it is done with no formal explaination about what it all implied.

When my wife and I got married the chapel we were married in, did not have a center isle. What we did was I was escorted to the front of the chapel by my Mother and Father and she on the other side with her parents. We met in the middle and separated from our parents and went on to be a couple. No hidden ownership thoughts ever existed. It was just part of a ceremony and was symbolic yes, but, not in the sense you guys are talking about. Never even crossed our minds. And that would have been 46 years ago last week. Do people stay up nights trying to find a way to be offended?

When my oldest married, she copied our ceremony and had both sets of parents accompany their respective child to the alter. She even had the same entrance song that we did. The Hawaiian Wedding Song. Our and her exit song was the Wedding March. My youngest wanted to do a more traditional set up where I escorted her down the isle. I know I never thought of it as control or presentation, but, instead just a last chance to hold on to my baby before she made her own life and if you knew her you would know that she would never be subservient to anyone, so I know that wasn't in the motivation anyplace.

I really feel terrible if in this day and age people really still consciously think of the wedding traditions as being anything other then a ceremony acted out as a way to have memories and a feeling of commitment to one another. I feel sorry that some of that would be blocked out due to unreal thoughts of what things currently represent. OK, I guess I have said enough. Parts of it even made my eyes water a bit, but that could be because of the chemicals I've been dumping in my eye because of the Cataract thing. So I'll shut up now.

 

[MOXOMUMD]

As a man, might I wade in here for a bit. Until this week I never knew that veil thing was about that. Presentation really? Never occurred to me. I always just saw it as a tradition and as a Father felt that it wasn't control it was a complete relinquishing of control, if any existed to begin with. Yes, I felt I was handing over something that I treasured, not as a gift, but, as respect for her wishes to leave the bonding with her Father and Mother. Never once a present to a man to have as a possession. If that is what it actually meant to not only me, but, to them as well, we never would have done it. Tradition was all it was about. That's the way it is done with no formal explaination about what it all implied.

When my wife and I got married the chapel we were married in, did not have a center isle. What we did was I was escorted to the front of the chapel by my Mother and Father and she on the other side with her parents. We met in the middle and separated from our parents and went on to be a couple. No hidden ownership thoughts ever existed. It was just part of a ceremony and was symbolic yes, but, not in the sense you guys are talking about. Never even crossed out minds. And that would have been 46 years ago last week. Do people stay up nights trying to find a way to be offended?

When my oldest married, she copied our ceremony and had both sets of parents accompany their respective child to the alter. She even had the same entrance song that we did. The Hawaiian Wedding Song. Our and her exit song was the Wedding March. My youngest wanted to do a more traditional set up where I escorted her down the isle. I know I never thought of it as control or presentation, but, instead just a last chance to hold on to my baby before she made her own life and if you knew her you would know that she would never be subservient to anyone, so I know that wasn't in the motivation anyplace.

I really feel terrible if in this day and age people really still consciously think of the wedding traditions as being anything other then a ceremony acted out as a way to have memories and a feeling of commitment to one another. I feel sorry that some of that would be blocked out due to unreal thoughts of what things currently represent. OK, I guess I have said enough. Parts of it even made my eyes water a bit, but that could be because of the chemicals I've been dumping in my eye because of the Cataract thing. So I'll shut up now.

Spot on about people being offended.

I walked down the aisle to the song Highland Wedding and our exit song was Scotland The Brave. Both played by bagpipers.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Tens of millions of women choose to uphold these customs for a lot more reasons than "so my man can control me". In fact, you'll find most Muslim women do choose to wear the veil for the sake of modesty before God (same as Catholics covering their hair). Tens of millions of women choose to wear a veil on their wedding day because they find it pretty, or they want to look like their mom did, or they just like them, not because "my dad needs to pass me onto my husband as a possession".

Women can fight for equality without tearing other women down for making different choices than they would have made.

This. I have zero problem with what other women choose to do with their weddings. I do, however, know how it would make me feel, and some of those old traditions would make me feel not good, and wouldn't sit well with me, so out they go. But if other women choose to go the traditional route, I have no issue with that.

My mom did the whole engagement ring thing and wore a veil (not one that covered her face), but her father didn't give her away, nor did she look for anyone else in her dad's place. I personally think for my own wedding it would be nicer for both my parents to walk down ahead of me, together themselves. Partly because I don't like the idea of my dad giving me to anyone, and partially because my relationship with my mom is so special that I want her to be a part of it too. Oh, and a tiara. Tiara would be nice in place if a veil. To each their own.

 

[Figgy1]

Sounds like you earned your me time! Sometimes you just need a break.

THNX

 

[Figgy1]

So...DD came home today and said the boy who stepped in front of her bike yesterday ran into her on purpose today during recess. He just casually walked past and rammed her with her his shoulder and elbow to make it look like an accident, which from the sounds of it, if anyone saw it, they'd have been able to see it wasn't really an accident. And he started complaining about how his arm hurt where she hit him, etc. She just told him it was his own fault for stepping in front of her. I've now emailed the school to let them know that the kid has started bullying her since my DS isn't there anymore. We'll hope they handle this a little bit better, but I'm not above contacting the police and filing a complaint against the little punk for harassment. Little darling doesn't know who he's messing with.

On a completely unrelated note, when I picked up DS from school today, the window in one of the doors was all boarded up. Apparently the glass shattered yesterday in the storm. My guess is that the wind picked up a pebble and blew it into the window. DS said the door was locked, so it didn't slam or anything in the wind. Doesn't sound like anyone was hurt, thank goodness!

Good for her

 

[Figgy1]

This. I have zero problem with what other women choose to do with their weddings. I do, however, know how it would make me feel, and some of those old traditions would make me feel not good, and wouldn't sit well with me, so out they go. But if other women choose to go the traditional route, I have no issue with that.

My mom did the whole engagement ring thing and wore a veil (not one that covered her face), but her father didn't give her away, nor did she look for anyone else in her dad's place. I personally think for my own wedding it would be nicer for both my parents to walk down ahead of me, together themselves. Partly because I don't like the idea of my dad giving me to anyone, and partially because my relationship with my mom is so special that I want her to be a part of it too. Oh, and a tiara. Tiara would be nice in place if a veil. To each their own.

I can picture it now a tiara for you and one for your cats of honor

 

[Figgy1]

As a man, might I wade in here for a bit. Until this week I never knew that veil thing was about that. Presentation really? Never occurred to me. I always just saw it as a tradition and as a Father felt that it wasn't control it was a complete relinquishing of control, if any existed to begin with. Yes, I felt I was handing over something that I treasured, not as a gift, but, as respect for her wishes to leave the bonding with her Father and Mother. Never once a present to a man to have as a possession. If that is what it actually meant to not only me, but, to them as well, we never would have done it. Tradition was all it was about. That's the way it is done with no formal explaination about what it all implied.

When my wife and I got married the chapel we were married in, did not have a center isle. What we did was I was escorted to the front of the chapel by my Mother and Father and she on the other side with her parents. We met in the middle and separated from our parents and went on to be a couple. No hidden ownership thoughts ever existed. It was just part of a ceremony and was symbolic yes, but, not in the sense you guys are talking about. Never even crossed out minds. And that would have been 46 years ago last week. Do people stay up nights trying to find a way to be offended?

When my oldest married, she copied our ceremony and had both sets of parents accompany their respective child to the alter. She even had the same entrance song that we did. The Hawaiian Wedding Song. Our and her exit song was the Wedding March. My youngest wanted to do a more traditional set up where I escorted her down the isle. I know I never thought of it as control or presentation, but, instead just a last chance to hold on to my baby before she made her own life and if you knew her you would know that she would never be subservient to anyone, so I know that wasn't in the motivation anyplace.

I really feel terrible if in this day and age people really still consciously think of the wedding traditions as being anything other then a ceremony acted out as a way to have memories and a feeling of commitment to one another. I feel sorry that some of that would be blocked out due to unreal thoughts of what things currently represent. OK, I guess I have said enough. Parts of it even made my eyes water a bit, but that could be because of the chemicals I've been dumping in my eye because of the Cataract thing. So I'll shut up now.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

As a man, might I wade in here for a bit. Until this week I never knew that veil thing was about that. Presentation really? Never occurred to me. I always just saw it as a tradition and as a Father felt that it wasn't control it was a complete relinquishing of control, if any existed to begin with. Yes, I felt I was handing over something that I treasured, not as a gift, but, as respect for her wishes to leave the bonding with her Father and Mother. Never once a present to a man to have as a possession. If that is what it actually meant to not only me, but, to them as well, we never would have done it. Tradition was all it was about. That's the way it is done with no formal explaination about what it all implied.

When my wife and I got married the chapel we were married in, did not have a center isle. What we did was I was escorted to the front of the chapel by my Mother and Father and she on the other side with her parents. We met in the middle and separated from our parents and went on to be a couple. No hidden ownership thoughts ever existed. It was just part of a ceremony and was symbolic yes, but, not in the sense you guys are talking about. Never even crossed out minds. And that would have been 46 years ago last week. Do people stay up nights trying to find a way to be offended?

When my oldest married, she copied our ceremony and had both sets of parents accompany their respective child to the alter. She even had the same entrance song that we did. The Hawaiian Wedding Song. Our and her exit song was the Wedding March. My youngest wanted to do a more traditional set up where I escorted her down the isle. I know I never thought of it as control or presentation, but, instead just a last chance to hold on to my baby before she made her own life and if you knew her you would know that she would never be subservient to anyone, so I know that wasn't in the motivation anyplace.

I really feel terrible if in this day and age people really still consciously think of the wedding traditions as being anything other then a ceremony acted out as a way to have memories and a feeling of commitment to one another. I feel sorry that some of that would be blocked out due to unreal thoughts of what things currently represent. OK, I guess I have said enough. Parts of it even made my eyes water a bit, but that could be because of the chemicals I've been dumping in my eye because of the Cataract thing. So I'll shut up now.

And it's totally fine that you feel that way, and it's totally fine that others might stick with tradition, but if it doesn't sit right with someone, like many of the traditions don't sit well with me, if I choose to get married someday, shouldn't it really be my right to say, "I'm uncomfortable with this because of the history behind it, so I'm not including it in my wedding?"

It's not really staying up all night trying to be offended by something; it's deciding what you're comfortable with and going with it. For me, I know the history behind these wedding traditions, and it doesn't sit well with me. Women used to have dowrys, and their fathers used to approve of their husbands, and their husbands were given a dowry for them. Some of them weren't given the choice in who they would marry. Heck, in some parts of the world, they still don't. They literally were viewed as property, or fathers would arrange marriages for their own benefit. If I get married, I don't want any part of those old traditions that came from that era in my wedding. Picturing myself with a wedding like that sometimes literally makes my skin crawl. I want a wedding that represents a modern partnership that we're building. It's not being offended; it's choosing what's right for yourself.

That being said, if any of my girlfriends decided that they wanted a full blown big white traditional style wedding where they wore a full veil and they had their dad walk them down the aisle and they asked me to be a bridesmaid, you can bet I would be there supporting her, because it's also important to me that women have that choice.