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[Gabe1]

What she said. Get an air fryer

My question...how easy or hard is it to clean?

 

[Gabe1]

I suppose, but, language doesn't have to be crude. Many words are quite normal now, but, not everything at any time is appropriate, evolution or not. It's like a bunch of children doing or saying things for the shock value. It just lacks in any class or self respect, in my opinion.

My daughters use the word quite often, but, when it fits appropriately. (that's the evolved part) Not used like a descriptive adjective every other word. To me that just sounds childish and ignorant. Many powerful things can be said without involving things considered to be smut.

Actually I find the smut mouthed to have very limited vocabulary. You can quickly tell when the crude is the Norm and part of their normal vernacular. I have a low tolerance for all that.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Actually I find the smut mouthed to have very limited vocabulary. You can quickly tell when the crude is the Norm and part of their normal vernacular. I have a low tolerance for all that.

There are always exceptions to the rules
I have a very large vocabulary of "smut mouth" phrases . The trick is knowing when to use them. Generally they are dragged out when trying to fix cars.

 

[Gabe1]

I was telling her the specific dress code from my school in my home town. We weren't allowed to wear anything shorter than past the finger tips when standing straight, if we wore anything sleeveless, it had to have straps at least 3 inches wide...no tank tops or spaghetti straps. No belly shirts...if you lifted your arms up over your head, your entire stomach had to still be covered. Spandex was only acceptable for P.E. and still had to meet length requirements. No logos depicting firearms, erotic things, swear words, violence...I was actually made to change my shirt one day when I wore a tshirt that was political and showed a cartoon cat's rear end. It was considered inappropriate, though I suspect that was mostly because the principal didn't like me, and I don't think he understood the message on the tshirt, so he didn't know if it was appropriate or not and decided to make me cover up anyway. He wasn't a very bright man. No hats allowed inside, I want to say there was something about hair dye and piercings...like...hair dye had to be natural colors or something, and no piercings besides ears? And I've seen news articles from the US about kids getting expelled for having corn rows, or mohawks because it's "distracting". Even in college I had a professor who told me not to wear anything with a print or glitter/sequins on it to his class because he was distracted trying to read text on my shirt, or distracted by the bling. Never had a uniform, but dress code and uniform aren't synonymous. How lucky were your kids and grandkids to never have their clothing choices questioned! That's great! I wish ours had been more like that...here it's never been an issue.

I'd look for the states to have completely different dress code policy rapidly. Conservative states likely to slower to the party but I'm seeing it happening already. The gender discrimination is going to end in the long run. We in Illinois as a school board all belong to the ISBA, an association for school board members. They follow all the law changes both state mandates and federal. They give recommended policy verbiage and 2-4 recommended ways to go. The administration proposes to board and the board picks which way they want to go for policy revisions. I headed the policy committee for years. I haven't seen policy changes like this since the 60's when girls no longer had to go to school in a dress.

What is changing is gender restrictions, double standards and body shaming in school policy. As one teacher stated I do not act any differently dressed in a sweater in the winter than I do in a tank top in the summer. A great deal of conjecture has gone into dress codes and most aimed at females not only in schools but in the corporate world too. HR Dept have cleaned up most of the corporate world and the same is coming at the schools.

The basic direction is general natural policy. What is acceptable for both genders. Many policies are sound but the interpretation by administrators have mucked up the policy and have got the schools lopsided and overly restrictive towards females in descriptions of what they can and cannot wear often calling out specific garments and garment types that will be tolerated and often more larger body types being further targeted and it has come down to body shaming. Overwhelmingly the policies reworded in handbooks zero'd in on the female students and even female staff.

Look for ultimately words like stomachs must be covered, buttocks must be covered with outer clothing (not just under garments.) No sleep ware, upper thighs must be covered, chest must be covered. In the future you will not be seeing things like shoulders must be covered or bra and cami straps must be covered or items like no leggings or no tank tops. It is going to be expectations that are thoughtfully though out of what body areas are to be covered by both female and and male students and staff. Nobody saying a shirt must cover a girls shoulder or a top is too sheer, or leggings are forbidden or too tight. If the legging cover the tushie it is covered. If a tank top covers chest male or female it is a go. Over the next couple years school dances should be a whole new world as will be the classrooms. Gone will be the days when a girls should is deemed to sexual to be exposed and a bra strap too risque to be seen.
One district in IL had 300 dress code violations in the first few weeks of school, almost all girls, leggings and shoulders being targeted the most. School has been back there 10 days. Zero this year with the new policy in place.

 

[Songbird76]

I might have misunderstood the meat of this discussion. They still have social standards that are required when residing in a civilized circle. I was thinking about the standard uniform type of dress codes like little soldiers in a classroom. There were no specific dress codes in the schools that I attended because our parents established our dress codes. There was no need to regulate what wasn't happening anyway. My girls knew that there would be hell to pay if they went to school with less then respectable attire. School dress codes (other then uniforms) came into existence because parents didn't do their job and kids started to wear obscene, violent, sexually suggestive, etc. items.

It is bad enough that we cannot go to a place like WDW and not constantly hear the "F" word bantered about with the same regularity as the words 'and' or 'the'. We have fostered a generation or two of no class kids that do not know right from wrong, and we are starting to feel the affects of that in a more serious level. It's alarming and I can only hope that the pendulum swings back to the center soon. I know that sounds much the same as "and stay off my lawn", but, it is a much more basic trend and it worries me.

I once used the "F" word in front of my Father. I didn't even know what it meant, but, for a 10 year old it sounded pretty cool. I'd heard grownups using it. I got backhanded so hard I can still feel the sting on occasion, however, I never said it in mixed company again before or after I knew what it meant.

Well, I would never let my kids wear anything inappropriate for sure...but there IS a double standard when it comes to dress codes. Those examples I listed were only for girls...boys would wear tank tops, and shorts that weren't as long. And shorter shirts. They couldn't wear hats, and no explicit things on their tshirts...but a playboy bunny was acceptable. There's nothing inappropriate about a girl wearing a tanktop when it's hot outside as long as everything is covered. My daughter loved sundresses and up until this past year, I could not get her in pants. Dresses every day....in the winter, we just popped a plain white long sleeved shirt under the dress and a pair of leggings so she'd stay warm, but when it was warm out, she could just wear the little strappy dress...not at all promiscuous or inappropriate, but it would not have been allowed in my school. Now, when it's hot, she has some shorts...they aren't booty shorts or anything, but they certainly don't pass her fingertips...I don't see anything wrong with them. But I don't need someone else to tell me what is inappropriate.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Dress code seems strange to me as all the schools over here still have uniforms for all ages. Makes the "what to wear" issue a lot easier.

 

[Songbird76]

Well, I think people still have to pick their audience if they use (questionable) words. I can give you an example of this, that just happened last week. One of my colleagues was at his desk and blurted out an expletive in frustration. over something he was working on. He didn't yell it out, he just said it. (No one from the public was there at the time--just internal employees within earshot.) We all understood that he was under pressure.

However, it didn't fly with one of the chiefs of the division who also heard it, and he spoke to the guy about it. The message he received from the discussion with the chief was that we are all representing a major hospital, we are professional, and we need to conduct ourselves accordingly.

I got in trouble once in college at my Summer job for saying something negative about the boss when I wasn't even working. I was talking to a coworker about something that happened that I was upset about and someone else we worked with overheard it and told the boss and I was written up and told I'd be fired if it happened again, because I was a representative of the company and if someone heard it, they might get a negative view of said company. If it was on the clock and I was gossiping with someone else about the boss, I could understand it, but since neither of us were working at the time, it should have been our own business. And there's a guy I work with now who wouldn't last a week in a job in the US without being written up for sexual harassment. He's been there for years now and as far as I know, no one's ever said anything. We just roll our eyes and ignore it.

 

[Songbird76]

There are always exceptions to the rules
I have a very large vocabulary of "smut mouth" phrases . The trick is knowing when to use them. Generally they are dragged out when trying to fix cars.

I wouldn't consider that to be smut-mouthed though...to me, smut-mouthed is when every other word in a normal every day conversation is a smut. Like the majority of rappers. Situational swearing is different.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

I wouldn't consider that to be smut-mouthed though...to me, smut-mouthed is when every other word in a normal every day conversation is a smut. Like the majority of rappers. Situational swearing is different.

Situational swearing might jusst be new favourite phrase

 

[Songbird76]

I'd look for the states to have completely different dress code policy rapidly. Conservative states likely to slower to the party but I'm seeing it happening already. The gender discrimination is going to end in the long run. We in Illinois as a school board all belong to the ISBA, an association for school board members. They follow all the law changes both state mandates and federal. They give recommended policy verbiage and 2-4 recommended ways to go. The administration proposes to board and the board picks which way they want to go for policy revisions. I headed the policy committee for years. I haven't seen policy changes like this since the 60's when girls no longer had to go to school in a dress.

What is changing is gender restrictions, double standards and body shaming in school policy. As one teacher stated I do not act any differently dressed in a sweater in the winter than I do in a tank top in the summer. A great deal of conjecture has gone into dress codes and most aimed at females not only in schools but in the corporate world too. HR Dept have cleaned up most of the corporate world and the same is coming at the schools.

The basic direction is general natural policy. What is acceptable for both genders. Many policies are sound but the interpretation by administrators have mucked up the policy and have got the schools lopsided and overly restrictive towards females in descriptions of what they can and cannot wear often calling out specific garments and garment types that will be tolerated and often more larger body types being further targeted and it has come down to body shaming. Overwhelmingly the policies reworded in handbooks zero'd in on the female students and even female staff.

Look for ultimately words like stomachs must be covered, buttocks must be covered with outer clothing (not just under garments.) No sleep ware, upper thighs must be covered, chest must be covered. In the future you will not be seeing things like shoulders must be covered or bra and cami straps must be covered or items like no leggings or no tank tops. It is going to be expectations that are thoughtfully though out of what body areas are to be covered by both female and and male students and staff. Nobody saying a shirt must cover a girls shoulder or a top is too sheer, or leggings are forbidden or too tight. If the legging cover the tushie it is covered. If a tank top covers chest male or female it is a go. Over the next couple years school dances should be a whole new world as will be the classrooms. Gone will be the days when a girls should is deemed to sexual to be exposed and a bra strap too risque to be seen.
One district in IL had 300 dress code violations in the first few weeks of school, almost all girls, leggings and shoulders being targeted the most. School has been back there 10 days. Zero this year with the new policy in place.

I really hope that's true!! It really has been a huge double standard. Boys could wear the saggy pants where their underwear showed above their pants, but if a girl's bra strap showed, she would be sent home to change. A boy could attend a basketball game, take off his shirt and paint letters on his stomach/chest, but a girl couldn't even show her shoulders or an inch of bare belly when she raised her arms. It was considered promiscuous of girls to show pretty much any skin at all unless it was from the knees down. Girls were being forced to wear sweatshirts in hot weather because a sleeveless shirt was too risque while a boy could whip off his shirt completely in PE. I really hope that changes!

 

[Songbird76]

Dress code seems strange to me as all the schools over here still have uniforms for all ages. Makes the "what to wear" issue a lot easier.

I would rather see uniforms than the dress codes...no one gets picked on for not having the clothes or brands that are in style, no one is sent home to change because of subjective ideas about what's appropriate.

 

[MinnieM123]

I don't know if I'd say my DD was lucky. Our whole town is still a mess just a very functional mess a month later. I was more fortunate than she was, I only lost a patio set and some downed branches from my 75 year old tree but it still stands proudly and none of those branches squished my Gazebo when they fell.

They were working on her roof today. She found out they were coming when she was awakened by the roofers cutting out her ceiling from the roof. She has a cathedral ceiling in her livingroom where one of the two branches landed. Branches easily 18 inches across. Hole(s) both maybe 3' x 4' Its been interesting.

So happy to hear that her roof is finally being fixed!!! Not a thrill to wake up to people working right above her, but I'll bet she's relieved this is getting done, nonetheless.

 

[Figgy1]

I don't know if I'd say my DD was lucky. Our whole town is still a mess just a very functional mess a month later. I was more fortunate than she was, I only lost a patio set and some downed branches from my 75 year old tree but it still stands proudly and none of those branches squished my Gazebo when they fell.

They were working on her roof today. She found out they were coming when she was awakened by the roofers cutting out her ceiling from the roof. She has a cathedral ceiling in her livingroom where one of the two branches landed. Branches easily 18 inches across. Hole(s) both maybe 3' x 4' Its been interesting.

{{HUGS}} does she have a date by which it should be finished?

 

[MinnieM123]

I suppose, but, language doesn't have to be crude. Many words are quite normal now, but, not everything at any time is appropriate, evolution or not. It's like a bunch of children doing or saying things for the shock value. It just lacks in any class or self respect, in my opinion.

My daughters use the word quite often, but, when it fits appropriately. (that's the evolved part) Not used like a descriptive adjective every other word. To me that just sounds childish and ignorant. Many powerful things can be said without involving things considered to be smut.

This reminds me of something that one of my high school teachers shared with us. She said that people who continually use "cuss words" in their conversations are either too ignorant, or too lazy, to come up with more creative, descriptive words. Quite frankly, I think I've fallen into both of those camps, at one point or another.

 

[Figgy1]

Dress code seems strange to me as all the schools over here still have uniforms for all ages. Makes the "what to wear" issue a lot easier.

Something like this?

 

[Figgy1]

I really hope that's true!! It really has been a huge double standard. Boys could wear the saggy pants where their underwear showed above their pants, but if a girl's bra strap showed, she would be sent home to change. A boy could attend a basketball game, take off his shirt and paint letters on his stomach/chest, but a girl couldn't even show her shoulders or an inch of bare belly when she raised her arms. It was considered promiscuous of girls to show pretty much any skin at all unless it was from the knees down. Girls were being forced to wear sweatshirts in hot weather because a sleeveless shirt was too risque while a boy could whip off his shirt completely in PE. I really hope that changes!

The final punishment for my friend's daughter that always broke the dress code was having to wear a spare sweat suit. As soon as she figured out she wasn't going to go home and had to wear something UGLY she started dressing appropriately BTW the kiddo did this while her mom was taking care of a sick family member

 

[MinnieM123]

I'd look for the states to have completely different dress code policy rapidly. Conservative states likely to slower to the party but I'm seeing it happening already. The gender discrimination is going to end in the long run. We in Illinois as a school board all belong to the ISBA, an association for school board members. They follow all the law changes both state mandates and federal. They give recommended policy verbiage and 2-4 recommended ways to go. The administration proposes to board and the board picks which way they want to go for policy revisions. I headed the policy committee for years. I haven't seen policy changes like this since the 60's when girls no longer had to go to school in a dress.

What is changing is gender restrictions, double standards and body shaming in school policy. As one teacher stated I do not act any differently dressed in a sweater in the winter than I do in a tank top in the summer. A great deal of conjecture has gone into dress codes and most aimed at females not only in schools but in the corporate world too. HR Dept have cleaned up most of the corporate world and the same is coming at the schools.

The basic direction is general natural policy. What is acceptable for both genders. Many policies are sound but the interpretation by administrators have mucked up the policy and have got the schools lopsided and overly restrictive towards females in descriptions of what they can and cannot wear often calling out specific garments and garment types that will be tolerated and often more larger body types being further targeted and it has come down to body shaming. Overwhelmingly the policies reworded in handbooks zero'd in on the female students and even female staff.

Look for ultimately words like stomachs must be covered, buttocks must be covered with outer clothing (not just under garments.) No sleep ware, upper thighs must be covered, chest must be covered. In the future you will not be seeing things like shoulders must be covered or bra and cami straps must be covered or items like no leggings or no tank tops. It is going to be expectations that are thoughtfully though out of what body areas are to be covered by both female and and male students and staff. Nobody saying a shirt must cover a girls shoulder or a top is too sheer, or leggings are forbidden or too tight. If the legging cover the tushie it is covered. If a tank top covers chest male or female it is a go. Over the next couple years school dances should be a whole new world as will be the classrooms. Gone will be the days when a girls should is deemed to sexual to be exposed and a bra strap too risque to be seen.
One district in IL had 300 dress code violations in the first few weeks of school, almost all girls, leggings and shoulders being targeted the most. School has been back there 10 days. Zero this year with the new policy in place.

Good grief, Charlie Brown! I think the best thing is for online courses, so that no one will see what your outfit du jour will be!

(When I was in grammar school, we had uggo uniforms and we all hated them--the nuns picked them out . . . ). In (public) high school, I was ecstatic to wear the latest styles, but we did have restrictions on skirt length, no jeans, etc., but it was basically more common sense rules. Plus, my parents would never let me go to school if I was not dressed appropriately.

 

[Figgy1]

@Gabe1 the air fryer insides dishwasher safe and just wipe dust off the outside No oily mess

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Something like this?View attachment 225746

Spoiler: more like this

 

[MinnieM123]

Something like this?View attachment 225746

I think @Mr Ferret 88 could really ROCK that look!!!