The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

betty rose

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Yeah, during the school year, outside of school activities, I had to be home by the time it was getting dark. So, in the winter, that might be 5pm...as a high school senior as well. The only exceptions were play practice, or work, or a school dance, etc. But my mom could see the school from our house, so when the parking lot started to empty, I had to get home because she could see it was over. She was a LITTLE more relaxed when my brother was in high school...I had to be with him, but as long as I was with him, I could be out a bit later. She would let us go to the movies in the next town. But not by myself. Then my brother went off to college when I was a senior and he wasn't around for her to rely on and she just didn't trust me on my own. I never gave her any reason not to trust me, but she just saw girls as not as responsible I guess. And of course I proved her right when I went off to college and, you know...dated. And apparently I turned my brother gay by not spending enough time with him, and he had to go find other friends and the LGBT group was the one that welcomed him. (yes, because he couldn't possibly make friends without me and his whole freshman year he never made a single friend?) She told me I shouldn't be dating until I was at least 30, because I should have a college degree, a steady job, a home, and have done everything I want to do in life before I started dating. I told her I wanted to have KIDS before I was 30, and as I wasn't planning on doing that until I was married, I kind of needed to start dating before then. And also, the things I wanted to do, I wanted someone to do them with...I didn't want to travel by myself, I wanted to share the experience. She said I couldn't be sure my mate would want to travel, too...I said that was kind of a deal breaker for me. If he didn't ever want to go on vacations, that wasn't going to work for me. She relaxed a bit once she met my (now) husband. She loved him, and I think she was a bit relieved when she passed that I was "taken care of". And I think she saw that we fit together...he was nothing like my dad and he obviously loved me and I think that made her feel better. I had a boyfriend in high school that she didn't know was my boyfriend. He lived on the other side of the state so I never actually SAW him other than my Junior year when we went to Prom together. She liked him, but I don't know how she'd have felt if she had known he was my boyfriend.
Our mother's came from the same parenting school. I was in the Honor Society, Drill Team, in school plays, and got A's and a couple B's in high school. I worked hard for my grades. All my friends could stay out later than me. It just didn't make sense, unless my older brother got away with everything, and Mom didn't want me to turn out like him.
 

MOXOMUMD

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Yes, I think my main problem is that the way it's set up does not match my family's travel style. We are not commando park visitors and my husband really wants to sleep in on vacation. I do, too, come to that, but when it comes to Disney, you can't really do that if you are wanting to do the most popular rides and I was prepared for that. I think Epcot is the worst for fast passes because really the only ones you HAVE to have a fastpass for are all in the same tier, so you can only do one per day if you aren't going to get there at rope drop unless you are willing to stand in long lines, which we are not. Test track was at 80 minutes on a day that wasn't busy. We used our fastpass on our 2 epcot days for Frozen (I knew the kids were going to want to do that one twice), which meant we didn't have a fastpass for Soarin' or Test Track on those days. The only way to do them was by going at rope drop. We DID have a fastpass for Soarin' after one of the waterpark days, but the kids wanted to do it again, so rope drop was important. Sleeping in just wasn't conducive to seeing everything. Plus the fact that, even if they slept in, they'd still get worn out in the afternoon and we'd have still had to skip the evening stuff. My kids just need that afternoon nap if they are going to make it through until 9 or 10 (or later). I think hubby maybe pictured us sleeping in every day and just heading to the park at 11 and being able to walk up to everything and get right on. He thought that only the most popular rides would have wait times or something and that we just wouldn't do it if it was more than a few minutes. I think the reality hit him kind of hard...that he either had to be willing to give up some sleep or spend a LOT of time waiting in lines, so it made him grumpy.
It sounds like you did not have a good vacation at all.
 

Cesar R M

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There is a difference. What Disney is doing is NOT unethical. Polluting a common resource is.

Increasing prices on something you don't absolutely need is not an ethics issue. No one absolutely has to have a vacation to WDW, or absolutely has to have their merchandise. Increasing the price of EpiPens is unethical; people need them for life-threatening emergencies. Disney raising the prices of merchandise that you want, not need, is unethical.

My point was not that Disney is copying anyone else. Disney, along with other businesses, is running their business to maximize profit, and it happens that their price point is similar to that of others. That shows generally how the industry and the economy in general is at this point.
You're misunderstanding my point.
It doesn't matter if its "unethical" or "polluting".
My point is that in the name of "XXX brand is a business! they need to make money!" companies have done from huge variety of maneuvers where everyone else loses except their investors under the Wall Street pressure.

If Exxon could get away (like other companies have tried to lobby their way). They wouldn't cleanup or even payup for spills.
People fighting and protesting did.
Same way that airlines got away with being cheap on repairs and maintenance on their airplanes. Because it was cheaper to pay the dead people their insurance, than replace the fleet (until they were mandatorily forced to replace or fix their airplanes or their fleet would stay grounded).
Same for cars, it was used for car makers to pay the death in accidents caused by defects (because it was cheaper) than to actually do a rollcall of the defective product.
Hell, they would get also get away by stealing land from groups so they could build things like an oil pipeline (even paying local or state officials to use the public force to protect the construction sites).

That something I am thankful of the "call out" culture by the media.
Helps companies stay in point under most circumstances.

Anyway, my point is.. companies WILL DO if they can get away, regardless if its ethical or not.
all in the name of "ITS A BUSINESS! MONEY FIRST!" (hence my hate towards that excuse that almost sounds from someone in the payroll of said company)

Uni still is not as popular as WDW. They get about 25.8 million visitors in all their parks worldwide. Disney gets 112.5 million visitors worldwide. When Disney was getting 25.8 million visitors per year, they were charging lower prices as well.
you're quoting worldwide, the issue is in the US Parks imho.
Shangai Disneyland seems to have been built with higer standards, at least for now than what the current parks in the US are getting.
Tokyo as always been over the top (and thats because the company that controls it still maintains the high standards set by Disney before)

And technically, UNI parks are growing by a lot.
IF they keep the build of quality stuff, they might reach Disney. Hence why they were desperate with Avatar and now Star Wars. Trying to get a huge slice of UNI's growth cake.
Still, cant wait to read about cost cuts on the land once the hype subsides and the money guys force their way in again.

While their manufacturing process is optimized, they still can't sell an unlimited amount. Their shelves and storage facilities aren't unlimited. They have a limited number of employees. Think about the shops at Main Street during park closing, when people tend to look before they get out. Now think about how even more busy they would be if the merchandise prices were overall decreased and people buy more than they already do. At their busiest points.
That is implying that Disney themselves do the production.
Most of their products are made in china and have very similar production costs than any other company producing in china.
I bet plushies cost Disney like 50 cents of a dollar to make, and they sell at 50 or 100 times the cost.

I still do not get your point over the "look how busy"... They are supposed to get busy. Their function is to sell.
IF they were really 100% for the money, they would have spammed a lower rate and sell more than end with a huge part of the merchandise being phased out to discount bins and third party stores to keep profits up.

This kinda reminds me of how Nikon is killing themselves.
They sell a 2,000 USD "USA guaranteed camera". But since their profits are down. instead of reducing the price to attract more buyers.. they flood the street with "grey" equipment (aka same camera, from same factory, with the same specifications, except no US guarantee)

Now if all of their merchandise were sold online, with no limitations of brick and mortar stores and having to be physically present to purchase merchandise, then producing more and lowering prices would make sense. But since they have stores, and since their stores can only sell so much in a given period, keeping their prices higher makes sense. Selling more also always, always, always increases overhead.
That doesn't stop Walmart, Fry's, Bestbuy to still keep their stores. Stores will always have a physical presence when needed.

So I'm pretty sure that Disney is artificially keeping a very low stock (as seen with my experiences buying with them in both low attendance and high attendance seasons) to maintain high prices on location.

There are 162 games per year. About half of those games are home games. Their store is open year-round, which means they get traffic year round, especially since a lot of people go down that way for events at M&T bank. Definitely not a one-time thing.
Each game is still unique.
Same as each concert you go. (or broadway production)
Players change, teams change, seasons change.
A fixed store for a very specific job doesn't. Specially if they have real official unique memoralia. and not chinese stuff that can be found anywhere.
Also you were talking about food on the "games". Now you're talking about the store itself.

We may not like Disney's prices, but there is a logic behind their pricing. If they discover it's not working, they can change it. But considering that they're making a LOT of money, they don't seem to need to lower their prices. Again, I don't agree with everything Disney does (you should hear my TofT Guardians of the Galaxy rant), but when it comes to pricing, their price points make sense, even though they do hurt my wallet.
I dont think they will ever reduce costs.
As others have said. They prefer to hide their insane costs under "free dinning" and other packaged plans.
they have trapped themselves into a cycle of huge price hikes vs big pseudo discounts year around.
As for parks, I think the park costs per day makes sense. But not the hotels nor the dinning. The quality and service is not there to charge that much. Even for non "location" hotels.

And I agree with you on TOT. I also didnt liked how instead of Pixar Place, we got MORE toy story and a very cost cut'ted version.
But as for my rant about business.
They will do what they want to get money if they can get away with it.
Sadly Disney as enough "one time purchasers", DVCers and addicts to keep going for quite a bit until the attendance levels finally hit zero gain.
 

Cesar R M

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There was actually a name on a reservation for a flight made from India to the US on our credit card. But since said person is in India, not much that can be done.
At least you didn't get charged for anything like this right?
What a ridiculous thing.
I still wonder how they got your card info?
Could they have cloned outside Disney?
Or a hacked Disney paying terminal?

Obviously, they are not infallible.

I'm actually wondering if it got stolen a while ago. There were some Noodles and Company locations up here that were hacked, including one I went to once, and I'm pretty sure the card I used was the one that had the fraudulent charges. Then again, it could have been stolen elsewhere. Who knows.

Makes sense, still. Glad that banks are actually moving constantly to prevent weird movements that make no sense.
My Bank also calls me everytime something else is amiss.

I mean, who the hell would miss that you're from the US and never went to Asia and suddenly you bought i a ticket for someone from India!!!!
 

BAChicagoGal

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I have mixed up our arrival times at the parks. No early morning after late nights. I am going to need to rest more this trip due to my foot injury. However, the others are free to arrive earlier if they want, and then we can meet up when our fast passes begin. The Halloween Party is in the middle of our WDW days, and that's a definite sleep in morning. Looking forward to that already. I rarely ever sleep in on vacation.
 

Cesar R M

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Thanks. Yes, it does stink. I'm hoping they'll let me have a loaner if they'll need it for more than a day or so. I'm finally old enough where they'll give me a loaner. My mom let me drive her car to do the errands she needed me to do. I'm hoping she'll let me borrow the car so I can go to Target tomorrow.

At least it happened this week. Next week I have school. That would not be good, especially since I have a night class on Tuesdays and neither of my parents could drive me to that class.
*throws some good luck*
Hope you can get it fixed (at least partially to working condition) so you dont miss classes.
I've had my doze of bad car luck so I can sympathize.

Speaking of car luck, I still need to save money to align the front tires... my car as a heavy listing to the right x_x
 

Cesar R M

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Sorry that happened to you. Those numbers are sold on the black market, and sometimes they "sit" in a queue (sometimes for months), until the thieves start using them. When the individual card numbers get shut down by Visa or whatever, the thieves move on to the next group of stolen numbers on their list, and charge up more fraudulent charges. Vicious cycle. (Also a chip won't protect from "online" purchasing, which is easy to do when buying airline tickets, for example.)
Yikes!
Speaking of black market. I still remember the news about these groups of harassers from Jamaica.
Who actually kill each other for these kind of lists. Like a big established mafia.
They call Europe, USA and CANADA nonstop to try to pull scams to elderly.
supposed "lotto wins" and other BS.
The sad part was reading in cnn about the man who was driven into suicide by these guys. He lost almost all his savings. Didnt help that he had memory issues and the calling guy in Jamaica exploited it very well. Leaving him penyless.
 

Cesar R M

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I wonder how long you've had that condition. Interesting that it was just discovered recently. Some people have that since childhood.
oh, in my case its because of my bone degeneration in my pelvis.
They irradiated heavily there for my cancer, so I have one leg shorter than the other.
So my column/spine slowly started to "bend" to compensate the difference.
I use an elevation for my shoe, but clearly that is not enough.
Anyway, in 30 mins going to the doc and we will see how it goes!
Perhaps its not that bad and can be fixed.
 

Cesar R M

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I'm trying to be easygoing. I've told the kids that THEY decide what they wear as long as it's weather appropriate and covers everything that needs to be covered. I'm constantly telling DD that she doesn't HAVE to like something (or pretend to) because I like it. So far, I think I'm doing alright. But my mom was the same way as you described. There was no way I could have commuted to college as there wasn't one in our area, so I never had to deal with that, and I paid for college all on my own with scholarships, grants, and working. So she had nothing to hold over my head. She all but disowned me when I got engaged without her permission. She told me that I was forbidden to be engaged and she wouldn't give me permission. I told her I was pretty sure that they weren't going to ask for it. I ended up calling that wedding off...he wasn't the right guy for me and it was more to prove to her that I DIDN'T need her permission than that I actually was in love with him. She wrote me 9 page letters telling me how awful I was, and how she didn't understand why I wasn't doing what she told me to do. (I was 19 and off at college) And why was I rebelling NOW? I wrote back that it wasn't rebelling...it was being independent, which at 19, I was legally allowed to do and as she wasn't contributing a penny to my education or living expenses, she didn't really have any authority to tell me what to do. She wrote to my friends, telling them to "fix" me and make me mind her. Yeah...I would have had a GREAT time living at home in college. :rolleyes:
I always find these "rebelling" things a bit ironic. Because they(parents and grandparents) most likely had the same "rebellious phase" they always seem to forget somehow ;)
Kinda like my parents. My gran HATED my father. Tried to force her way to make my mom not marry him.
Years later, all the "approved" husbands of my aunts and uncles.. were in shambles. Most of them ended in BAD divorces.. and my dad was with my mother (he helped my gran a lot in money ) until his death.

She didn't write the play, she wrote the story that the play is based on. It's HER story, written by people who know how to write plays because she says she doesn't know how to write plays. She said somewhere in an interview that she really felt this story was best displayed as a play rather than a novel, but she's always said she isn't a playwright. When they started making the books into movies, they asked her if she wanted to write the screenplays, but that isn't an area that she knows well, so she said no. So now, with this story, it lends itself to theater, which she is not comfortable writing, so she got Thorne to do the script.


Gotcha! that makes sense!
 

Cesar R M

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Perfect.

When I was small my Dad was real big on beach vacations and we would stay in South Florida for upto 4 weeks in early Spring. Very routine.
Get up early breakfast pool, beach, mid afternoon homework, go out to dinner, bed and repeat. Nothing made my Dad happier than to sit by the pool or if cool enough to walk on the beach. Two kids not so much. I think that is why we enjoyed our day at the MK when it opened when I was a little older.
As a Man I agree. Men need the "box of nothing" and a routine to feel calm and in control.

 

ajrwdwgirl

Premium Member
Back at work today. :( Just on quick during lunch. It has been mostly meetings. This afternoon I get to work in my room. The bad part is they have shut off the water on my side of the building to work on something. So I have to walk to the other side of the school to use the facilities. Our school is spread out so it is a hassle.
 

Cesar R M

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That doesn't sound good. What do they think treatments might be?
no real treatment other than some exercises.. the rotation might be kinda permanent.
doctor going to give me some elevated or platform supports to level up my legs better (cant be completely leveled up because its rotated to the opposite way)
not sure if there might be surgeries to correct this.
 

Songbird76

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Thanks. Unfortunately, it's only a matter of time at this point. How much time is the question. He's been in a nursing home for over a year. He has MS, which has gotten really bad. His health overall has not been good. We're just hoping maybe he can pull another two weeks or so.
I'm so sorry...I am still really behind, so it's possible I missed something. Did he pull through? That must be hard, having just been through this recently with your step-grandfather. You've been through the ringer lately. I'm glad you have Disney to distract you a bit. Sending prayers for your family.
 

Songbird76

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Our mother's came from the same parenting school. I was in the Honor Society, Drill Team, in school plays, and got A's and a couple B's in high school. I worked hard for my grades. All my friends could stay out later than me. It just didn't make sense, unless my older brother got away with everything, and Mom didn't want me to turn out like him.
Well, that couldn't have been why my mother was so strict with me...as far as my mom was concerned, he could do no wrong...he was the perfect child. And he never really did anything bad, but I was no worse, so I don't know why she treated me like I couldn't be trusted. The only thing she said about it was "Well...he's a boy".
 

betty rose

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Well, that couldn't have been why my mother was so strict with me...as far as my mom was concerned, he could do no wrong...he was the perfect child. And he never really did anything bad, but I was no worse, so I don't know why she treated me like I couldn't be trusted. The only thing she said about it was "Well...he's a boy".
I didn't make myself clear, he was the favorite and could do no wrong either, she suspected that sister and I couldn't be trusted. My mother had a memorial of my brother in the living room with his pictures....go figure. Sis and I were absent. It's like she wanted to forget us.
 

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