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Songbird76

Songbird76

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donaldtoo said:
True.
But, to be fair, employees aren’t as loyal as they once were.
It goes both ways, and in many cases, employers and employees seem less like a team and more like adversaries.
My pop worked for IBM for over 27 years, and coming this February, I will have worked for my firm for a total of 28 years.
It’s just a whole different dynamic these days, in most cases.
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That's true, too, but I think it's a vicious cycle...the employees don't get rewarded for their hard work, and feel unappreciated, so don't feel loyal to the company. The company does nothing for me, so why should I do anything for the company? Then the company is like "Hey, the employees aren't willing to do anything extra, why should we?" We don't normally work on Sundays, but when it's busy, they ask people to come in on Sundays. It's completely voluntary...you don't HAVE to, but they want you to. Up till last year I think? they didn't pay any extra for those days. Who wants to give up their weekend for the same amount of pay as normal? They wanted you to do something extra for them, but didn't want to do anything extra for the people who did that, so no one ever signed up for it, and they couldn't figure out why no one wanted to do that. Loyalty works both ways. If you treat me well, I'm going to treat you well in return. But if you make a bunch of demands of me and refuse to compensate me appropriately, I'm not going out of my way to do you any favors. Several years ago, it was really busy for a while and they were begging employees to PLEASE come in early if they could, stay late if they could, etc. I made an effort to bust my bum to get their 30 minutes early to start....it's not much, but do that 4 times a week, and work an extra 15 minutes late, that adds up. Except, they have it set to that when you clock in, it doesn't register until your scheduled start time. So if I was scheduled to start at 9 and I clocked in at 8:30 and started immediately, the clock didn't register my start time as 8:30, so I didn't get paid. The managers had to go in and manually set my start time to 8:30. After a couple of weeks, my start times were still all registered as normal, though I had started early every day. So basically, I would be working for free for several hours a week. I had already asked them to fix it, and it still hadn't been done. I had also sent an email. So finally, I went in person to the manager and asked him to fix it, and one of the other managers happened to overhear and chewed me out for wasting the manager's time, because it was so busy and he didn't have time to deal with that. Well....then I don't have time to work extra. If you don't have time to ensure I'm payed correctly for the work I'm doing, I don't have time to help you out when it's busy. It has to work both ways. I stopped working extra, because it obviously wasn't appreciated. And yes, there are a LOT of people who are lazy and try to do the minimum....people who you see playing on their phones instead of working, people who walk off the work floor 5 minutes before break and don't come back till 5 minutes after break is over, etc....usually in our company, it's the 20 somethings who do that, and I get why the managers don't want to go out of their way for those people. But when you have people who have been good employees for years, it's pretty nasty to take them for granted, and telling them you don't have time to make sure they get paid for working is beyond taking them for granted.
 
Songbird76

Songbird76

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donaldtoo said:
And, speaking of the firm…
We have yet another famous client, and it’s legendary country music icon George Strait…!!! :)
He is by far and away Carolyn’s favorite country music star, and she’s a big country music fan.
We’ll be doin’ some projects on his Texas ranch.
Partner came up to me today and said he was gonna’ have a phone call with George Strait in a few minutes. I said “The George Strait…?”, and he casually said “Yes.”
Slightly different client than “The Undertaker”…!!!!! :hilarious:
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Oh I really like his music. Country music isn't a thing here. Whenever I'm in the US, I have to find a country station to get my fix. Collin Raye, George Straight, Brad Paisley, Toby Keith, Garth Brooks, Martina McBride, Shania Twain, The Chicks (formerly Dixie Chicks), Shedaisy....so many good artists. I'm sure there are newer ones now, but I'm not familiar since I haven't lived in a place with Country Music for nearly 20 years.
 
Mr Ferret 75

Mr Ferret 75

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Songbird76 said:
Oh I really like his music. Country music isn't a thing here. Whenever I'm in the US, I have to find a country station to get my fix. Collin Raye, George Straight, Brad Paisley, Toby Keith, Garth Brooks, Martina McBride, Shania Twain, The Chicks (formerly Dixie Chicks), Shedaisy....so many good artists. I'm sure there are newer ones now, but I'm not familiar since I haven't lived in a place with Country Music for nearly 20 years.
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You should be able to listen to most country stations online. Our background music at home is 104.7 country either on the Echo or mac.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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MinnieM123 said:
Partly agree with that. I would like to share, however, that the hiring model in (some) companies now is not for lifelong commitment employees. I recall being between jobs a few times (one of them, I was there 16 years). When I went on interviews for other jobs, I sensed that the hiring people (HR depts.) viewed my lack of being employed at a few different companies (within 16 years) as more of "inertia" on my part. That was bizarre to me, as I was a loyal employee, and gave 100%.

Anyway, I was fortunate enough to finally find another company that really appreciated my longevity, and I had good references, etc., and finally found a job at that point. I think it's a grab-bag nowadays, with a number of companies preferring independent contractors, etc., while some other companies may prefer a more traditional employee model, such as you and your dad.
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My sister is retiring from the largest hospital in Vermont on the 3rd of January. She has worked there in different capacities for 50 years. It is the only job/employer she has ever had. I, on the other hand, have a three page resume and never stayed with one job, including my own business for 14 years (that was the longest).

Because of the fact that I actually changed career fields each time I moved to another it drove interviewers crazy trying to put a label on what my skills actually were. Besides owning my business, a Level 4, Nursing home for Mentally Challenged folks, Mentally ill, Physically Challenged as well as the elderly, I was a retail store manager, Vice President for a publishing company and General Manager of a Printing Company (both connected), a construction company Office Manager, oversaw Accounts Payable and Payroll on Specific jobs being done nation wide for another construction company, Bus Driver, Bus Company Supervisor and assorted other fill in jobs at places like IBM, working on the Acid rinse line. While still in college I drove a deliver truck for a Hospital Supply Company.

Each one was a learning experience as my degree was in Business Management, but I still had to learn each company, each procedure and protocol for each business. Even to me it seemed like a setback, to some degree, each time I changed, but frankly now that I am older it occurred to me that I might have some type of attention deficient disorder because once I felt comfortable I also got bored. It sure as hell wasn't the path to calmness and enviable wealth. To be honest the one that I enjoyed most was when I was an actually on the road as a city bus driver. It was the only job that I finished every single day. I never took it home with me nor did I have to catch up the next day. It was done and everyday was a new one. It's too bad I didn't find that years earlier.
 
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Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Lilofan said:
The ones that move from company from company every few years seems to be the norm with many I know. For them to think they will collect a pension in their later years is purely wishful thinking. Companies , not all, nowadays are eliminating pensions to not take risks with company profits to invest in pension mutual funds for the employee as an example. The risk is being given to the employee to invest in 401K if they choose to do so. One guy I know collected 2 pensions by age 58, and started collecting early social security at age 62. He joined the Navy at 18, retired at 38, immediately collected pension #1, At age 38 worked in another company retired at age 58, then stated collecting pension #2.
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Almost no company has "pensions" anymore. What they do is contribute to your retirement funds, sometimes equal contributions so if you put $100. per week in the fund, (before tax) they will match it. That particular benefit varies from company to company. Pensions are good as long as there is a company to pay them. If they, for whatever reason go under, so goes the pension. Retirement funds follow you so even if you changed jobs every two years you might lose some of it because it is connected to stocks and bonds, but it usually has an average gain so in many ways it encourages one to seek out their true calling without risking a very low income retirement. Pensions and retirement funds are two different animals as you stated.

I know that the IRA's came out late in my career so I didn't have a chance to even start in one until late. One thing I did notice when I retired that the program I rolled it into at the time has doubled in value during the past 10 years without my putting a nickel in it. And now it seems that even though I am drawing down, as a supplement, the growth has been exceeding my withdrawals. That makes me happy and I can control the degree of risk that I am comfortable with. At this point low risk is the name of the game.

Anyhow, all that was said to give a reason why people no longer have the feeling that they have to stay with one career for years on end whether or not the love or hate it. They switch jobs for a variety of reasons, money, promotion, location, whim or any other conceivable reason and still know that their earnings, investments and security can travel with them and not only that they can be passed along by assigning beneficiaries so it doesn't stop after leaving this mortal coil. Many pensions do stop, leaving many households hurting.
 
Songbird76

Songbird76

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Mr Ferret 88 said:
You should be able to listen to most country stations online. Our background music at home is 104.7 country either on the Echo or mac.
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I only listen to the radio in the car. When I'm at home, I need the quiet. I used to always have music playing, up until I had kids. Then it became anxiety inducing to constantly have background noise as well as kids crying, or being loud....kids just don't have a volume setting or mute button. I would get so overly stimulated that whenever they were sleeping, I needed it to be quiet. So I stopped listening to music. I just couldn't stand it anymore.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Figgy1 said:
YUP Yuengling according to Mr Google https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/the...perating-breweries-in-the-us-95849843206.html
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I seem to remember seeing or hearing about it and that they changed the name to Lager because no one knew how to pronounce Yuengling. I'm pretty sure I can't perhaps that is why back when it did consume my share of beer I always asked for Schlitz. I really like that beer, but never was that fond of beer anyway. But, when the occasion arose Schlitz was the one. After all, it was the beer that made Milwaukee famous.

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Patcheslee

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Goofyernmost said:
Almost no company has "pensions" anymore. What they do is contribute to your retirement funds, sometimes equal contributions so if you put $100. per week in the fund, (before tax) they will match it. That particular benefit varies from company to company. Pensions are good as long as there is a company to pay them. If they, for whatever reason go under, so goes the pension. Retirement funds follow you so even if you changed jobs every two years you might lose some of it because it is connected to stocks and bonds, but it usually has an average gain so in many ways it encourages one to seek out their true calling without risking a very low income retirement. Pensions and retirement funds are two different animals as you stated.

I know that the IRA's came out late in my career so I didn't have a chance to even start in one until late. One thing I did notice when I retired that the program I rolled it into at the time has doubled in value during the past 10 years without my putting a nickel in it. And now it seems that even though I am drawing down, as a supplement, the growth has been exceeding my withdrawals. That makes me happy and I can control the degree of risk that I am comfortable with. At this point low risk is the name of the game.

Anyhow, all that was said to give a reason why people no longer have the feeling that they have to stay with one career for years on end whether or not the love or hate it. They switch jobs for a variety of reasons, money, promotion, location, whim or any other conceivable reason and still know that their earnings, investments and security can travel with them and not only that they can be passed along by assigning beneficiaries so it doesn't stop after leaving this mortal coil. Many pensions do stop, leaving many households hurting.
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Mine matches the first 1% of contributions at 100%, then the 2-10% contributions they match at 50%. Any more there is no match.
 

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