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Tony the Tigger

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Tony the Tigger

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OK, where's the Chit Chat Business Group? It's decision time.

Two things at issue but the decisions are rolled into one:

a) expanding one of my stores from about 1950 sq ft to about 2400 sq ft
b) extending my lease beyond it's current date of October 2022.

The new owner has let it be known that as our leases are up, they aren't going to offer the standard 3-5% increase. They're investing $5 million into the building, and rents are going up. They did not want to extend my current lease, but when I expressed interest in expanding and the investment that would go into that, they understood it would not be worth the investment for about a year and a half. New tenants are going to come in at +$6 to +$8 per square foot more than what I'm paying now.

My offer was: Let me take the additional space for the same rate I'm paying now until the end of my current lease, plus the first 3 months free to allow for build out and so forth.

He agreed to that part. That's a win. My rent would not go up too much, we more than double our outdoor window space, we'd have time to make good use of the extra space to hopefully increase sales so it pays for itself (hopefully.)

The rest of my offer was: let me extend my lease up to 6 years after my current lease ends, with annual increases of 3-5%.

He agreed to the 6 years (making us "safe" through 2028.) (Also making me nervous in case there is a downturn in business, but that is what I asked for.)

What he didn't agree to was the 3-5%. After next October, my rent would go +$4 per square foot (less than what new tenants will supposedly pay.) (And then a 4% increase per year "or CPI.") It seems like a lot, but when you break it down monthly, it's not huge. And he had a point: it's unlikely I'd find a space anywhere in the area for what I'm paying now. And this spot is fairly uniquely positioned - not only next to a huge comic book/vintage toy store that's been around for 25 years (we have many customers in common) but also on the site of an old record store (nostalgia factor as well as practical factor.) This store does nearly double what the other store does, and it's not much larger. If either warrants an investment, this one does.

So as much as I'd not like my rent to go up, I appreciate the cooperation for the next year or so (the offer is in fact $300/month less than their original offer until next October, so that's something.) And I think we can swing it and have over a year to grow into it.

The question then (you can all yawn now) is the CAM fee (which covers things like waste removal, etc.) and is almost as much as the rent itself(!!) So I guess I have to nail that down (making sure it doesn't go up and still covers the HVAC - which I've heard they don't want to do anymore.) That may be my last point to negotiate. But I'd really like to do this.
 

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
OK, where's the Chit Chat Business Group? It's decision time.

Two things at issue but the decisions are rolled into one:

a) expanding one of my stores from about 1950 sq ft to about 2400 sq ft
b) extending my lease beyond it's current date of October 2022.

The new owner has let it be known that as our leases are up, they aren't going to offer the standard 3-5% increase. They're investing $5 million into the building, and rents are going up. They did not want to extend my current lease, but when I expressed interest in expanding and the investment that would go into that, they understood it would not be worth the investment for about a year and a half. New tenants are going to come in at +$6 to +$8 per square foot more than what I'm paying now.

My offer was: Let me take the additional space for the same rate I'm paying now until the end of my current lease, plus the first 3 months free to allow for build out and so forth.

He agreed to that part. That's a win. My rent would not go up too much, we more than double our outdoor window space, we'd have time to make good use of the extra space to hopefully increase sales so it pays for itself (hopefully.)

The rest of my offer was: let me extend my lease up to 6 years after my current lease ends, with annual increases of 3-5%.

He agreed to the 6 years (making us "safe" through 2028.) (Also making me nervous in case there is a downturn in business, but that is what I asked for.)

What he didn't agree to was the 3-5%. After next October, my rent would go +$4 per square foot (less than what new tenants will supposedly pay.) (And then a 4% increase per year "or CPI.") It seems like a lot, but when you break it down monthly, it's not huge. And he had a point: it's unlikely I'd find a space anywhere in the area for what I'm paying now. And this spot is fairly uniquely positioned - not only next to a huge comic book/vintage toy store that's been around for 25 years (we have many customers in common) but also on the site of an old record store (nostalgia factor as well as practical factor.) This store does nearly double what the other store does, and it's not much larger. If either warrants an investment, this one does.

So as much as I'd not like my rent to go up, I appreciate the cooperation for the next year or so (the offer is in fact $300/month less than their original offer until next October, so that's something.) And I think we can swing it and have over a year to grow into it.

The question then (you can all yawn now) is the CAM fee (which covers things like waste removal, etc.) and is almost as much as the rent itself(!!) So I guess I have to nail that down (making sure it doesn't go up and still covers the HVAC - which I've heard they don't want to do anymore.) That may be my last point to negotiate. But I'd really like to do this.
Take the chance on you, is my vote. The store doesn't matter as much as the owner. If this excites you and you have a viable path to getting a return on the investment, do it. It's your passion and your own nostalgia that sells your records. Otherwise people would just shop on ebay and Amazon. If you can say to yourself "I've got this and I can make it happen" then take a chance on it.
 

Mr Ferret 75

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It's because you drive a Honda 😂😂
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Songbird76

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Up north April snow is rare but not unheard of. My daughter got married on April 7th on a sunny day with temps in the 70's. During the reception, much to our surprise, a major storm came into Vermont so by morning it had left over 10 inches of snow on the ground. Their flight out for a cruise was cancelled and we had to scramble to have them meet the cruise at the first port of call. But, something that was a source of humor, in my mind, was that they had to spend the second night of their honeymoon on an inflatable mattress on my living room floor. My son in law remembers it with a scowl on his face, I, on the other hand, can't help but chuckle. Tomorrow will be their 21st anniversary so I guess it wasn't bad luck after all. I had set up their trip as a wedding present via my travel agent so the majority of the mess was up to me and her to fix. At this point, at least, all have lived happily ever after.
Well if I were in Wyoming, it would be just another Tuesday. It snows through May there. But HERE, where there are some years where we get that amount in a whole year, and it's usually in December or January, it's really unusual to get snow in April. Even MORE unheard of to get snow that actually sticks! It didn't really start sticking until last night. It snowed off and on the whole day, but didn't accumulate until the evening. It's all gone now, even though it snowed off and on again today, but according to the forecast, we could get 5 cm tomorrow. But I'd rather have that than rain. I can go out and walk in the snow, but not in the rain.
 

Figgy1

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Take the chance on you, is my vote. The store doesn't matter as much as the owner. If this excites you and you have a viable path to getting a return on the investment, do it. It's your passion and your own nostalgia that sells your records. Otherwise people would just shop on ebay and Amazon. If you can say to yourself "I've got this and I can make it happen" then take a chance on it.
^^^^^THIS X2
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
After looking at the Mass.gov site, the Beth Israel website (we live near a Beth Israel hospital), and my PCP's website (who sent me notification that I'm eligible), it looks like getting us vaccinated is not going to be easy...there are 5 locations within 10 miles of us, but they're all reporting being given very limited numbers of vaccines per week and all showing as full. I'm more concerned about getting hubby vaccinated than myself...perhaps I'll call 211 and see if they can track down appointments close to us...my mom said she did that and it took them about a week (but she accepted 2 appointments in Boston so they could get vaccinated at the same time).

Keep trying, though. A friend of mine also tried multiple times through the Lahey/BIDMC site (by the way, that's the one I got my appt. at). Then, on morning just by random, an appt. popped up -- he immediately reserved the slot for himself at a close-by location for him. That's what I mean -- cancellations happen fairly often.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Keep trying, though. A friend of mine also tried multiple times through the Lahey/BIDMC site (by the way, that's the one I got my appt. at). Then, on morning just by random, an appt. popped up -- he immediately reserved the slot for himself at a close-by location for him. That's what I mean -- cancellations happen fairly often.
Good to know! I'll keep checking! Especially for hubby...with his hours and his tendency to be a PITA, the easier I can make it for him and the closer to home it is, the better.
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
OK, where's the Chit Chat Business Group? It's decision time.

Two things at issue but the decisions are rolled into one:

a) expanding one of my stores from about 1950 sq ft to about 2400 sq ft
b) extending my lease beyond it's current date of October 2022.

The new owner has let it be known that as our leases are up, they aren't going to offer the standard 3-5% increase. They're investing $5 million into the building, and rents are going up. They did not want to extend my current lease, but when I expressed interest in expanding and the investment that would go into that, they understood it would not be worth the investment for about a year and a half. New tenants are going to come in at +$6 to +$8 per square foot more than what I'm paying now.

My offer was: Let me take the additional space for the same rate I'm paying now until the end of my current lease, plus the first 3 months free to allow for build out and so forth.

He agreed to that part. That's a win. My rent would not go up too much, we more than double our outdoor window space, we'd have time to make good use of the extra space to hopefully increase sales so it pays for itself (hopefully.)

The rest of my offer was: let me extend my lease up to 6 years after my current lease ends, with annual increases of 3-5%.

He agreed to the 6 years (making us "safe" through 2028.) (Also making me nervous in case there is a downturn in business, but that is what I asked for.)

What he didn't agree to was the 3-5%. After next October, my rent would go +$4 per square foot (less than what new tenants will supposedly pay.) (And then a 4% increase per year "or CPI.") It seems like a lot, but when you break it down monthly, it's not huge. And he had a point: it's unlikely I'd find a space anywhere in the area for what I'm paying now. And this spot is fairly uniquely positioned - not only next to a huge comic book/vintage toy store that's been around for 25 years (we have many customers in common) but also on the site of an old record store (nostalgia factor as well as practical factor.) This store does nearly double what the other store does, and it's not much larger. If either warrants an investment, this one does.

So as much as I'd not like my rent to go up, I appreciate the cooperation for the next year or so (the offer is in fact $300/month less than their original offer until next October, so that's something.) And I think we can swing it and have over a year to grow into it.

The question then (you can all yawn now) is the CAM fee (which covers things like waste removal, etc.) and is almost as much as the rent itself(!!) So I guess I have to nail that down (making sure it doesn't go up and still covers the HVAC - which I've heard they don't want to do anymore.) That may be my last point to negotiate. But I'd really like to do this.


Lord, I haven't a financial clue what to tell you. But it does seem to me (reading between the lines here) that you've made your decision, and you know what is best. I trust your judgement and support whatever you decide. There's a lot here to digest; but you have been amazing keeping your business alive (and thriving!) during a pandemic, and my guess is that you'll do even better in the future. :happy:
 

Figgy1

Well-Known Member
The boys are in huge trouble. One of them(he did it) broke a bottle of basalmic vinegar on my dining room floor and instead of cleaning it up they moved a few boxes so I wouldn't notice. Silly me moved some gardening items in there after Easter lunch/dinner. I would have noticed the smell except I did some cleaning with regular vinegar and flushed my drains. I spent the time I would have spent sewing cleaning up glass and then steaming the sticky mess up:mad::mad::mad:
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
The boys are in huge trouble. One of them(he did it) broke a bottle of basalmic vinegar on my dining room floor and instead of cleaning it up they moved a few boxes so I wouldn't notice. I would have noticed the smell except I did some cleaning with regular vinegar and flushed my drains. I spent the time I would have spent sewing cleaning up glass and then steaming the sticky mess up:mad::mad::mad:

Meanwhile, over here, I had some Easter eggs all decorated pretty. Hubs opened up the carton today (and don't ask me how he could possibly do this), but it popped open and all eggs fell on the floor -- DOG MAGNET -- Jack bolted into the kichen and ate 3 of them off the floor in record time -- and they were the 3 prettiest colored ones, so I was really ticked off at him. :banghead:
 

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