The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

21stamps

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I asked this for a reason and tailgating @dryerlintfan comments and recommendations to you. You likely don't know me well. I am likely on this thread the most proponent for higher education. My kids before they could clearly see my face as infants they were told they were going to college. I served as an elected local school board member for our elementary school district. Public. It was better than our small demographic than private within a reasonable commute. Me I was a private school gal. It is all demographics in which aff ords a kid the best education and resources. I was Catholic Educated. My kids public. Both grown, college educated kids. Both now debt free. Both Virus employed still. Education matters. When people Poo-poo education I look at demographics. An average family of five when times get tough how may people withing the 5 are currently working during hard times? My family, educated beyond high school all. You likely get my drift, t there is a value in education. Me, my kids now holding masters are gainfully employed. My DD isn't and likely never in jeopardy of loosing her position. My son is hanging in there as of decisions of today. The job description is evolving however the pay and benefits are still intact at least for now until things improve. One of those roll with it as long as he has a job, benefits and a team player. So many families have one or none of their parents and adult children working. Me my opinion is education matters.

Now why I asked what type of school your son was enrolled. He is young. Elementary. An Athlete. I can see by your posts an excellent athlete. It matters. One quarter of elementary school does not. I had my son in high school during 9/11. All sorts of crazy. When it all shakes out a quarter of an educational year means squat to High Schools in a National Emergency as was 9/11 and now Covid19. The high schools understand, they are dealing with it themselves as their students apply to colleges. The colleges have already conceded they know what is happening with ACT and SAT testing and are waving. No respectable school is going to give a darn what an elementary school child did for one quarter during a National Emergency. They don't want to dig into what parent was stricken with the Virus and what the kid endured because of it. Like with my son it is going to be the we don't want to talk about it year. I speak from experience. I whole hardheartedly respect your value of education, I had my own, same expectations for my children for the need for higher education and best schools always. I have no doubt my kids will have the same for their children. I have found families tend to gravitate to Educate or not educate for generations. I also note how many under-educated get laid off first when times get rough. Education matters.

Your son is an athlete. Athletes also are afforded more forgiveness. They are a commodity that is sought after and different parameters for high school and college acceptance. You know this being an athlete yourself. My kids were also athletes. They were competitive swimmers.
It mattered. We both know in most schools athletes trump any 'activities.' Sports rule. There are statistics that demonstrate the draw to athletic events vs any other activities on campus. Your sons draw will be his dedication as a great student overall and not just secondary a great dedicated athlete. My niece attended the #7 private school in Ohio, Hathaway Brown, also an athlete. She attended one of the best Private Universities in NY and now is in Med School at Case. She got into that University not only for having great but not the top academics but because she was an athlete. Ultimately Elementary School doesn't matter in the overall long run of higher education, it is more the educational foundation. Don't dismiss please the decision makers that realize what families are dealing with this year, all are already making allowances and restructuring for when education becomes norm again. They know this is a make shift, not best practices to judge students by. Please try to let it go. What adults and children are going through is not lost on administration. Educated professionals do understand and will take this all into account. I saw it first hand after 9/11.

Be well and hug the boy often. Family is what matters during these times. Wishing you well. 💖


Thanks. I know we’ll get thru this. Interestingly, T was up til 11pm learning material and then taking a test, last night. They’re on post WWI and the Great Depression and New Deal... he made a comment that it sounds a lot like now. He asked to see the stock market today compared to then. I did a quick google search and we looked at the history of crashes. It made him feel a little better when he saw the graph. This morning he asked how many people are unemployed, which is also no where near the GD.

I think there’s a silver lining where kids are really thinking about history as more than just school material, able to relate a little bit.
I don’t know if that makes sense, but it gives me hope that there are positives to be found in all of this.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
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That looks like my mom's cat Mischief, who she had up until I was 8, when he passed away. He used to sleep in my crib with me and then he slept with me once I was a toddler and in a real bed. I have pictures. He's responsible for starting the process of turning me into a cat lady. My tabby, Moxie, continued the process when we got him when I was three (we had him and Mischief together for a long time) then Moxie died, and then we got Belle and she finished the job.

And yes, the fact that Mischief was a tuxedo was the reason we got another tuxedo, namely Belle. My mom said she wanted another Mischief. Didn't happen with Belle; Jasmine's more like a combo of Mischief and Moxie.
 

Goofyernmost

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This game is great for calming ones nerves;)

I watched the 7th game of that series from a ratty, old hotel In San Francisco, that I'm sure has fallen down since then. Black and White TV and about a 12 inch screen. The next day I got on a plane to exotic Southeast Asia (aka, So. Vietnam). I was a Mets fan back then, one of few, and at least I got on the plane on a high note. Didn't take to long to take the shine off that feeling.
 

21stamps

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I watched the 7th game of that series from a ratty, old hotel In San Francisco, that I'm sure has fallen down since then. Black and White TV and about a 12 inch screen. The next day I got on a plane to exotic Southeast Asia (aka, So. Vietnam). I was a Mets fan back then, one of few, and at least I got on the plane on a high note. Didn't take to long to take the shine off that feeling.


We’ve been watching the 1975 World Series. Final game last night. I love the blurry picture, the words on the screen in low tech, the announcers, the excitement (even though I knew the outcome). My parents were at that game, but in separate seats, my dad was able to take leave last minute, bought a standing only ticket and watched the whole game standing up, my mom in the seats with their friends. He’s told me that story countless times throughout my life, said he would stand again to watch that game.lol


Side note, I hope the HoF committee remembers those games., and puts Pete Rose where he deserves to be.
 

FutureCEO

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Thanks. I know we’ll get thru this. Interestingly, T was up til 11pm learning material and then taking a test, last night. They’re on post WWI and the Great Depression and New Deal... he made a comment that it sounds a lot like now. He asked to see the stock market today compared to then. I did a quick google search and we looked at the history of crashes. It made him feel a little better when he saw the graph. This morning he asked how many people are unemployed, which is also no where near the GD.

I think there’s a silver lining where kids are really thinking about history as more than just school material, able to relate a little bit.
I don’t know if that makes sense, but it gives me hope that there are positives to be found in all of this.


The main thing is history always repeats itself.
 

Goofyernmost

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We’ve been watching the 1975 World Series. Final game last night. I love the blurry picture, the words on the screen in low tech, the announcers, the excitement (even though I knew the outcome). My parents were at that game, but in separate seats, my dad was able to take leave last minute, bought a standing only ticket and watched the whole game standing up, my mom in the seats with their friends. He’s told me that story countless times throughout my life, said he would stand again to watch that game.lol


Side note, I hope the HoF committee remembers those games., and puts Pete Rose where he deserves to be.
I agree about Pete Rose, the punishment didn't fit the crime. Yes, he shouldn't have been betting on games even though, if I remember correctly, were always bets for his team when Cincinnati was part of the bet. You can blow a game intentionally, but there is nothing special one can do to win one except play well. I'm not sure that is a punishable offense. Compared to today, that infraction isn't even worthy of an eye blink. He has been punished more then enough. Lighten up it is just a game folks. He was a great player and deserved recognition for what he accomplished not just what mistakes he made and a little forgiveness for a minor infraction.
 

21stamps

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I agree about Pete Rose, the punishment didn't fit the crime. Yes, he shouldn't have been betting on games even though, if I remember correctly, were always bets for his team when Cincinnati was part of the bet. You can blow a game intentionally, but there is nothing special one can do to win one except play well. I'm not sure that is a punishable offense. Compared to today, that infraction isn't even worthy of an eye blink. He has been punished more then enough. Lighten up it is just a game folks. He was a great player and deserved recognition for what he accomplished not just what mistakes he made and a little forgiveness for a minor infraction.

I have such a complicated emotional history with him 🤣

For years, I argued his innocence against anyone who said he was guilty. I simply didn’t believe it.
Then came his book. I was at B&N the moment the store opened, the day it went on sale. I had to eat some crow at that point. Saying “Wow. I was wrong.” to quite a few of my friends.
I was so angry at him and thought he deserved everything at that point... but, then I softened over time, thought about the game itself. Nothing can take away from how he played. He wasn’t juiced up, like so many “great players” in recent times. He was a phenomenal player and important to the history of baseball in this country. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame for his play.
The rest, well, as you said, he’s been punished enough.
 

Goofyernmost

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I have such a complicated emotional history with him 🤣

For years, I argued his innocence against anyone who said he was guilty. I simply didn’t believe it.
Then came his book. I was at B&N the moment the store opened, the day it went on sale. I had to eat some crow at that point. Saying “Wow. I was wrong.” to quite a few of my friends.
I was so angry at him and thought he deserved everything at that point... but, then I softened over time, thought about the game itself. Nothing can take away from how he played. He wasn’t juiced up, like so many “great players” in recent times. He was a phenomenal player and important to the history of baseball in this country. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame for his play.
The rest, well, as you said, he’s been punished enough.
Yeah, murderers don't get that long a sentence. He has had to carry that around for years, enough is enough.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
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Thanks. I know we’ll get thru this. Interestingly, T was up til 11pm learning material and then taking a test, last night. They’re on post WWI and the Great Depression and New Deal... he made a comment that it sounds a lot like now. He asked to see the stock market today compared to then. I did a quick google search and we looked at the history of crashes. It made him feel a little better when he saw the graph. This morning he asked how many people are unemployed, which is also no where near the GD.

I think there’s a silver lining where kids are really thinking about history as more than just school material, able to relate a little bit.
I don’t know if that makes sense, but it gives me hope that there are positives to be found in all of this.
You can also point out to him that part of what happened after the Great Depression was that the government put in safeguards to make sure that it wouldn't happen again. The banks are federally insured now so that they can't crash and everyone lose all their money. They have to keep a certain amount of cash on hand. Back then, it was laissez faire economics, which was the reason the economy expanded too quickly, and then exploded. They learned, and now that's prevented, which is why that's not happening this time, even though we currently have a high unemployment rate.

You can talk about that being why we study history, so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past. For instance, after World War I, minimal assistance was provided to Germany, and then what happened? Hitler rose to power. They didn't make that mistake again. After defeating Japan and Germany, they helped them rebuild, and now they're our allies.

We've never experienced something like this, and when it's over, it will be history, so we'll look back at what we did right and what went wrong, and hopefully it won't happen again because we'll know how to handle it.
 

MouseDreaming

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I mentioned I knew about a month ago that the students were not going back. A month ago out on my deck I was talking with our current school board president. He wouldn't say it but I read his chosen words, the tilt of the head, and the way he looked me in the eye. Knew nobody was going back this school year. But I'm sorry you are sad, I so understand. :( I wonder when parents will just call it themselves a year. Some school districts are giving parents the choice of students repeating the year if the parents believe it is better to repeat. Given in Illinois the cases are still rising as is the death toll. I can't just see putting kids on bus and shipping them back to school.

Me I find it better for the staff and the students, safer. I'm not in the camp that only 2-3% would die if they went went back to school. I'm in the camp that all life matter. Me, learning never ends. Education should never end as the world evolves around us all. I took my kids out of school for at least 2 weeks every year if not longer. They did the work, they came out ahead. My Dad took us out of school each spring for at least a month sometimes two March April. He took all of our textbooks and workbooks. We'd be in Florida and the heat of the day was school time. In 2 hours we did all the work and reading and it was back to Florida Life. I pulled it off with my kids and my Dad with us. I really think that these kids can pull it off also, they have the tech we did not.

Me I feel for the graduating Seniors. You can't get that back. Worse they are in limbo if they are going away to college or not. Double Wham. End social distancing too early by fall it can be back again and we will have a repeat.

My question and maybe you'll know the answer due to your DD age. What the heck happens to the Kids in the middle of their Drivers Education?
We just got word the other day, prom is out right cancelled. Graduation will be virtual, with the hope that some way to do it safely will result in some type of in person ceremony in June or July. All summer sports camps are cancelled, so no preparation for a fall football season at the high school. With no football, there would be no marching band or poms for dd's senior year. She also pointed out that she will likely never experience Home coming as an upper class man. The past game was called due to weather, just after the band started to take the field for pregame. No last band camp. No senior night. It is just so heartbreaking. I totally understand why we are doing this, and fully support it, but we are asking so much from our kids. Not another word about laziness, incompetence, being spoiled. None.

As for drivers ed, classes are on Zoom. Behind the wheel ended with DD short one session. Normally, you have to complete the btw classes before 9 months from your first day of class. In my infinite wisdom that they should be spaced out, she is well over that, but the deadline has been extended. Normally, after the first class or 2, you go take a test for your permit, so you can start putting what you learn in class into practice, but DMV is closed, of course, so you can't. Who knows how long the current group of kids will be done with class lessons, before they can actually practice driving. The next batch of young drivers, through no fault of their own, will be interesting.

As for DS the college senior, last week the jazz band trip to Colombia was officially cancelled, as was June Jazz. He has played his last gig with them. Graduation at this point is on hold. Still no word on his senior recital, which was to be May 2. If they don't wave that requirement, he won't graduate.

The state has officially waived the last required hours for student teaching to graduate. Those kids won't have as much practical experience, when they get their first thing jobs. Hopefully, they will get a little more support when they start.
 

MouseDreaming

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Is drivers Ed required there? It wasn't in Wyoming....you could learn from anyone over 18 with a valid license that they'd had for at least a year. I did take driver's ed, but learned mostly from my brother on the rural roads by my dad's house. They were private, so even though my brother didn't meet the requirements, there were no policemen to patrol out there and there was no traffic. But I would guess, if it's not required, kids can still learn from parents. I saw a friend on facebook just yesterday posted a picture of her 15 year old behind the wheel. She was teaching her to drive. Good time now, I suppose, because the streets aren't as busy.
Driver's ed in Illinois is required, both to get your license (if you are under 18), and as a state mandated high school graduation requirement.
 

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