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Lilofan

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Goofyernmost said:
That is OK if you know how to fly a plane or helicopter. If you don't you have to rely on the pilot to make that decision. If memory serves, the pilot is the only one that has the final decision in that case. If the pilot feels that he has done this before and that all will be OK, then we will tend to trust the judgment of those with the the absolute knowledge of how certain conditions will be a high level of risk. I guess we have to assume that the Pilot doesn't have a death wish, but the person that had the final decision, regardless of pressure placed on them by others. If he decides that it is to dangerous then that freaking aircraft will not be leaving the ground. In this case, Kobi's expertise is Basketball, not flying. I'm sure he might have been concerned, like I have been a few times when flying, but ultimately I had to depend on the opinion of the Pilot.

In this case, if one is going to point blame on anyone it has to be the last line of defense. If the Pilot that should know what is happening decided that it wasn't all that much of a problem then that decision was wrong. It wasn't necessarily criminal, but it was a very costly mistake, including to himself. Thinking that passengers have the skill level to determine the level of risk is bogus. Even in the case you pointed out. If the pilot decided that his job was worth the risk and bypassed his own judgment out of fear of losing his job then he made a decision that was much more costly then his job. He is in that plane too and is more likely to die then anyone else. Errors in judgment are made every single day. They didn't start out the day thinking.. 'you know today I think I'm going to make decisions that will kill us all'.
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The pilot had a serious error in judgement deciding to fly in terrible fog conditions at the same time LAPD copters were grounded due to the conditions. Ascending to try to get out the fog then banking left and crashing into the hillside. Deadly mistake.
 
21stamps

21stamps

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dryerlintfan said:
Because none of you casting blame have ever made a mistake? Had an error in judgement?

We walk around every single day fortunate that our errors didn't cost us our lives. It's insane to me that I'm even sitting here reading these comments.
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My thoughts exactly.

From everything I’ve read, the pilot appears to have missed a turn, tried to go back, too low to be seen by air traffic control, and hit land.
Not one thing has shown that there was negligence or any demand to fly, not at this point.

It’s a horrible tragedy, that’s it. Hug your loved ones and be grateful that our time hasn’t come. There is no need to pass judgement in a situation like this. No need for to start spinning someone’s own dramatic movie in their mind... the situation is dramatic enough without speculation & spin.
 
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21stamps

21stamps

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Lilofan said:
The pilot had a serious error in judgement deciding to fly in terrible fog conditions at the same time LAPD copters were grounded due to the conditions. Ascending to try to get out the fog then banking left and crashing into the hillside. Deadly mistake.
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You keep repeating this as if the pilot knew LAPD had grounded their planes. They didn’t issue a warning to all, they just made a decision on their own. The two subjects have no logistical connection here, not when talking about clearance to fly.
 
Mr Ferret 75

Mr Ferret 75

Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
dryerlintfan said:
Yeah I'm really hoping she'll remember this one for life. If not, I'm sure she'll remember one of them one of these days :hilarious: :hilarious: She does remember all her previous trips now, but I'm sure that will fade as she gets older
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Am sure she will remember them all in some fashion. Even if it is just that "mom was too cheap to buu new shoes for her " 😉
 
21stamps

21stamps

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dryerlintfan said:
Yeah I'm really hoping she'll remember this one for life. If not, I'm sure she'll remember one of them one of these days :hilarious: :hilarious: She does remember all her previous trips now, but I'm sure that will fade as she gets older
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T and I were talking about WDW last night. He doesn’t remember most of the trip when he was 5.. he does remember bit and pieces... and I show him photos and we talk about it. He loves hearing the stories. All that matters is that they enjoy it at the time!
 
21stamps

21stamps

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Question about the Pirate Adventure Cruise-

Thoughts on if T is too old? He’ll be turning 10 on the trip.. I’m trying to think of something special for him and my niece and nephew- will be 5 & 7 at the time.

Any other ideas?
 
21stamps

21stamps

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One more question about bdays

T’s bday is the day before they check into to Disney. They’re doing 5 nights in Clearwater first, his bday being the last day of that portion. (I think I’m going to fly down on their 2nd disney day) Can I add “birthday” to the reservation even though it’s actually the day before?

Side note- this is T’s first trip as an “adult” Where is the time going??????
 
DryerLintFan

DryerLintFan

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21stamps said:
One more question about bdays

T’s bday is the day before they check into to Disney. They’re doing 5 nights in Clearwater first, his bday being the last day of that portion. (I think I’m going to fly down on their 2nd disney day) Can I add “birthday” to the reservation even though it’s actually the day before?

Side note- this is T’s first trip as an “adult” Where is the time going??????
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I'm so glad you're going to fly down!!
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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21stamps said:
Question about the Pirate Adventure Cruise-

Thoughts on if T is too old? He’ll be turning 10 on the trip.. I’m trying to think of something special for him and my niece and nephew- will be 5 & 7 at the time.

Any other ideas?
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The proper response to that is "Well, you may be to old, but I'm not so let's go". He may have to justify it by thinking he was forced but, inside he will be glad. At 10 year old kids are starting to think about how their actions are reacted to by their friends. Tell him you know someone that is close to 72 and still goes on it by himself because it is so amusing and just fun. 👴 = 👦
 
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DryerLintFan

DryerLintFan

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21stamps said:
Question about the Pirate Adventure Cruise-

Thoughts on if T is too old? He’ll be turning 10 on the trip.. I’m trying to think of something special for him and my niece and nephew- will be 5 & 7 at the time.

Any other ideas?
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@Rista1313 and I both enjoyed it! I think T would have a great time on it. If you do go though, take a backpack for the gold coins!
 
MySmallWorldof4

MySmallWorldof4

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Goofyernmost said:
That is OK if you know how to fly a plane or helicopter. If you don't you have to rely on the pilot to make that decision. If memory serves, the pilot is the only one that has the final decision in that case. If the pilot feels that he has done this before and that all will be OK, then we will tend to trust the judgment of those with the the absolute knowledge of how certain conditions will be a high level of risk. I guess we have to assume that the Pilot doesn't have a death wish, but the person that had the final decision, regardless of pressure placed on them by others. If he decides that it is to dangerous then that freaking aircraft will not be leaving the ground. In this case, Kobi's expertise is Basketball, not flying. I'm sure he might have been concerned, like I have been a few times when flying, but ultimately I had to depend on the opinion of the Pilot.

In this case, if one is going to point blame on anyone it has to be the last line of defense. If the Pilot that should know what is happening decided that it wasn't all that much of a problem then that decision was wrong. It wasn't necessarily criminal, but it was a very costly mistake, including to himself. Thinking that passengers have the skill level to determine the level of risk is bogus. Even in the case you pointed out. If the pilot decided that his job was worth the risk and bypassed his own judgment out of fear of losing his job then he made a decision that was much more costly then his job. He is in that plane too and is more likely to die then anyone else. Errors in judgment are made every single day. They didn't start out the day thinking.. 'you know today I think I'm going to make decisions that will kill us all'.
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I guess the flight recorder will have the pilot’s recordings?
 

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