News Test Track to be reimagined

[mkt]

No. I can disagree anything for a variety of reasons.

You and your critical thought agenda

 

[DisneyCane]

EVs can be historic. The first cars were electric, and GM did sell the first mainstream and usable electric car in the US (EV1)

I'm not sure I would call 1,117 units mainstream. I'll give you usable if that means you could travel somewhere and then it would recharge.
To me, mainstream EVs started with Tesla because their designs were highly desirable.

 

[NelsonRD]

I'm not sure I would call 1,117 units mainstream. I'll give you usable if that means you could travel somewhere and then it would recharge.
To me, mainstream EVs started with Tesla because their designs were highly desirable.

The most depressing part of the EV1 is GM almost had it perfect. In testing, the battery would die, so to get consistent test miles, they attached a snowmobile engine to generate electricity. A first true hybrid. If they incorporated that into the final design, it would have been more accepted at the time.

 

[DisneyCane]

The most depressing part of the EV1 is GM almost had it perfect. In testing, the battery would die, so to get consistent test miles, they attached a snowmobile engine to generate electricity. A first true hybrid. If they incorporated that into the final design, it would have been more accepted at the time.

Plug in hybrid probably remains the best compromise today from an efficiency standpoint. Enough range for daily commuting/driving around town and then a gas "range extender" for when you want to go further. The little gas generator weighs and costs a lot less than hauling around 4x the batteries that most people don't need the vast majority of the time.

 

[NelsonRD]

Plug in hybrid probably remains the best compromise today from an efficiency standpoint. Enough range for daily commuting/driving around town and then a gas "range extender" for when you want to go further. The little gas generator weighs and costs a lot less than hauling around 4x the batteries that most people don't need the vast majority of the time.

I am still waiting for a true hybrid, where the ICE engine never touches the wheels, and only runs at consistent, optimum RPMs for efficient electric generation when needed. Dodge Ram trucks is promoting one, and I believe Mazda had a sedan in development as well.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Is everything one can disagree with an "agenda"?

I disagree and reject whatever agenda you're pushing.

 

[mkt]

I'm not sure I would call 1,117 units mainstream. I'll give you usable if that means you could travel somewhere and then it would recharge.
To me, mainstream EVs started with Tesla because their designs were highly desirable.

Let me rephrase that.

In a state where automakers dump "compliance cars" which tend to be electrified ICE cars, GM actually went the extra step and created a purpose built electric car, and its owners loved the cars so much that they sued GM when their leases expired in order to buy the cars out. And it had a range that worked for the average commute.

I can't think of any other car in which this has happened, including any other lease-only compliance car built from a converted ICE car.

 

[mkt]

The most depressing part of the EV1 is GM almost had it perfect. In testing, the battery would die, so to get consistent test miles, they attached a snowmobile engine to generate electricity. A first true hybrid. If they incorporated that into the final design, it would have been more accepted at the time.

They ended up making it a decade later - the Chevrolet Volt.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Forgive me but this fascinating discussion ignores the most important issue on TT 3.0: will they fix the doors to the outside track or just remove them? Feel free to return to patting yourselves on the back over being so green while arguing over whether there are enough big, polluting boom booms in the Luminous finale, though.

 

[NelsonRD]

They ended up making it a decade later - the Chevrolet Volt.

I am sorry, the Volt is not a true hybrid, as the ICE engine can in fact, drive the wheels.

 

[J4546]

maybe he meant bolt?

 

[mkt]

I am sorry, the Volt is not a true hybrid, as the ICE engine can in fact, drive the wheels.

So, just like the Prius.

 

[mkt]

maybe he meant bolt?

Nope. Bolt is full EV. I've owned one, one of the best daily drivers I've ever owned.

I also owned a Volt. Also one of the best daily drivers I've ever owned. Just a little impractical for dadlife with a newborn when I had it.

 

[marni1971]

Forgive me but this fascinating discussion ignores the most important issue on TT 3.0: will they fix the doors to the outside track or just remove them?

Dare I ask how long they’ve been broken ?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Dare I ask how long they’ve been broken ?

 

[DisneyCane]

Forgive me but this fascinating discussion ignores the most important issue on TT 3.0: will they fix the doors to the outside track or just remove them? Feel free to return to patting yourselves on the back over being so green while arguing over whether there are enough big, polluting boom booms in the Luminous finale, though.

I'm going to set the odds:

Fix them 10:1
Remove them 2:1
Leave them in place non functional 1:7

 

[osian]

Dare I ask how long they’ve been broken ?

This video, uploaded on 14th Dec, shows them closed, although of course we don't know how long ago the footage was filmed, but Space 220 & Lightning Lanes are definitely there. Several other effects not working though!

 

[HauntedPirate]

Plug in hybrid probably remains the best compromise today from an efficiency standpoint. Enough range for daily commuting/driving around town and then a gas "range extender" for when you want to go further. The little gas generator weighs and costs a lot less than hauling around 4x the batteries that most people don't need the vast majority of the time.

Based on our experience with one in Orlando a few years back, we won't ever touch a plug-in hybrid. The battery charge ran out within 50-60 miles of charging (A 3/4 charge took 2 hours). Maybe because it was a Chrysler and a minivan? Either way, that experience stained plug-in's for us. We'll stick with our CRV hybrid.

 

[Ayla]

Dare I ask how long they’ve been broken ?

Since at least 2021.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Based on our experience with one in Orlando a few years back, we won't ever touch a plug-in hybrid. The battery charge ran out within 50-60 miles of charging (A 3/4 charge took 2 hours). Maybe because it was a Chrysler and a minivan? Either way, that experience stained plug-in's for us. We'll stick with our CRV hybrid.

Not ideal for a vacation, and likely the mini-van size is likely a factor, but in everyday use, I am not sure those stats are that offputting.

I mean how many people have a 1 way commute of greater than 50-60miles? If you could bank on a car that gets you that mileage, and would be charged back up before your 8hr+ work day is over, for a good portion of the working public, you probably meet all your normal use requirements.