njDizFan
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Same here with my Toyota Sienna, all the car companies need to step up their game.
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Test Track refurb???
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Same here with my Toyota Sienna, all the car companies need to step up their game.
misterID
Well-Known Member
Wow, this is a blast from the past.
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
What is this crap about people's gas mileage? I thought this was about a thrill ride in a theme park?
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
Ah, my car (which still had new car smell and about 500 miles when I got it) averaged 18.4 mpg in mostly freeway (with some city) driving. That is pathetic no matter how you look at it. I don't care about engine size. I care that this is 2011 and gas is $4 a gallon and automakers in Detroit still haven't gotten the fact they need to have cars that get some serious MPG.
I liked the car. Rode well (although it didn't seem to be that powerful). Had lots of kewl features. ... But after 10 days I replaced it with a Nissan because the gas was costing far more than the rental.
FWIW, I have owned nothing but Mercedes and Honda vehicles for the last decade and they all have done considerably better on miles. Both my current vehicles are 4-cylinder (Benz supercharged) and both average about 25 mixed city/highway and 28-32 highway ... and I am not that happy with those numbers, but not in the market to replace them just yet.
But no justifying companies acting like it is 1994.
A day without pith is a day in the pits, I say.
alphac2005
Well-Known Member
Just a quick note, I have 2011 Ford that is averaging 33.2 MPG and I have a 2009 Chevrolet that is averaging 18 MPG, which bothers me, however, the vehicle weighs 6400 lbs, so for it's weight, it's doing quite well. Both are majority in-town driving, about 15% highway.
Why this tired argument about domestic mileage is on here? I'm not even sure, but take a look at the vehicle line-ups, the domestics have some darn good MPG for each of their vehicle classes (we're not getting into the fact that all vehicles need to be way better) and their compact and subcompacts are beating all the competition in MPG.
NoChesterHester
Well-Known Member
Half the previous posts got deleted in this thread because it turned into a political debate about GM and the Volt. Enough.
Disaddict
New Member
But if the new ride will be just like WoM,I'd like to get a nice view of EPCOT again.
I had almost forgotten what that looked like. Now I really wish that this would go back to the WoM style. :sohappy:
Disaddict
New Member
I know. That's a shame too. But maybe it will be more of a WoM inside the building and then after a final scene of something like a rocket ship or futuristic car they can launch the ride vehicle out of the building and around the track.
Rob562
Well-Known Member
Yeah, with the current track layout, the best they could do would be to open up the outside wall where they filled it in, and then remove the semi-transparent wall on the curve between Load and Dispatch. That little curve is the very corner of the former outdoor section:
-Rob
montyz81
Well-Known Member
Does anyone ever try to see any remains of the WoM ride system. Everytime I am in the TT que, I look up to see if you can see anything that showed where the hole was or how the ride system hung.
TestTrack
Active Member
I could go for something a little more "old school". At night especially there was no better view than going up the WoM ramp and seeing SSE lit up.
I do think they need to keep some thrill in the ride...maybe a mix of WoM and test track? Start with a history of the car and then "accelerate" into the future? Dunno but WoM was a fantastic ride that's for sure. Test Track could be a lot better with a few tweaks:
1. Better lighting/sets. Make me feel like I'm on the road instead of a test track. When I first road it it was night time and I felt like I was out on a country road especially during the hairpin turn section because I couldn't see the infrastructure of the building as much. Get rid of the cardboard cutout trees, etc.
2. Fix the less "thrilling" sections. The incline climb is boring....if the speed was faster or higher it'd probably be a bit more effective. The "rough road" is boring and ineffective. I'd rather have them load you onto a "suspension test" similar to what the automotive manufacturer's use that push the suspension to its limits with independent lifts on each wheel. You could really go crazy with this and make it more fun/interesting.
3. The brakes suck....they really do. Especially at the end...nothing tells you you aren't in a real car like typical "rollercoaster brakes".
4. Too many "slow downs". I don't know if its because the distance between cars get too close but I've had a few trips where the car has slowed to a crawl on the outside track and during the hairpin turns. It ruins the ride.
5. Take up the speed a bit on the outdoor section...its fairly effective...but the speeds just don't impress the adults who go faster on a daily basis.
Just my opinion...obviously I like the ride, but it could be made to Epcot's best.
I do think they need to keep some thrill in the ride...maybe a mix of WoM and test track? Start with a history of the car and then "accelerate" into the future? Dunno but WoM was a fantastic ride that's for sure. Test Track could be a lot better with a few tweaks:
1. Better lighting/sets. Make me feel like I'm on the road instead of a test track. When I first road it it was night time and I felt like I was out on a country road especially during the hairpin turn section because I couldn't see the infrastructure of the building as much. Get rid of the cardboard cutout trees, etc.
2. Fix the less "thrilling" sections. The incline climb is boring....if the speed was faster or higher it'd probably be a bit more effective. The "rough road" is boring and ineffective. I'd rather have them load you onto a "suspension test" similar to what the automotive manufacturer's use that push the suspension to its limits with independent lifts on each wheel. You could really go crazy with this and make it more fun/interesting.
3. The brakes suck....they really do. Especially at the end...nothing tells you you aren't in a real car like typical "rollercoaster brakes".
4. Too many "slow downs". I don't know if its because the distance between cars get too close but I've had a few trips where the car has slowed to a crawl on the outside track and during the hairpin turns. It ruins the ride.
5. Take up the speed a bit on the outdoor section...its fairly effective...but the speeds just don't impress the adults who go faster on a daily basis.
Just my opinion...obviously I like the ride, but it could be made to Epcot's best.
Ah, my car (which still had new car smell and about 500 miles when I got it) averaged 18.4 mpg in mostly freeway (with some city) driving. That is pathetic no matter how you look at it. I don't care about engine size. I care that this is 2011 and gas is $4 a gallon and automakers in Detroit still haven't gotten the fact they need to have cars that get some serious MPG.
I liked the car. Rode well (although it didn't seem to be that powerful). Had lots of kewl features. ... But after 10 days I replaced it with a Nissan because the gas was costing far more than the rental.
FWIW, I have owned nothing but Mercedes and Honda vehicles for the last decade and they all have done considerably better on miles. Both my current vehicles are 4-cylinder (Benz supercharged) and both average about 25 mixed city/highway and 28-32 highway ... and I am not that happy with those numbers, but not in the market to replace them just yet.
But no justifying companies acting like it is 1994.
A day without pith is a day in the pits, I say.
I own a Ford Fusion Hybrid that drives like a dream and gets 40 or so in the city and 30 on the highway (combined average of 35.1 since I bought it, according to the onboad diagnostics), and a Saturn Outlook SUV that gets around 17 in haul the kids around mode and 25 or so on the freeway.
NoChesterHester
Well-Known Member
Yeah, with the current track layout, the best they could do would be to open up the outside wall where they filled it in, and then remove the semi-transparent wall on the curve between Load and Dispatch. That little curve is the very corner of the former outdoor section:
-Rob
I love the plan, thanks for posting.
Pretty depressing that 2/3 of the building is used for that horrible post show. Hopefully that is really addressed.
ChrisFL
Premium Member
Its actually not 2/3 of the building...its 2/3 of downstairs
Rob562
Well-Known Member
Here are the other three graphics that go with the first one I posted.
Upper levels:
Original queue (before FP and Singles lines):
Post-show:
-Rob
brightlillstar
Member
The '71 Impala I picked up over at MK gets great mileage :ROFLOL:
NoChesterHester
Well-Known Member
Here are the other three graphics that go with the first one I posted.
Upper levels:
Original queue (before FP and Singles lines):
Post-show:
-Rob
Makes far more sense. Thanks.
Doesn't change the fact the postshow needs a complete rethink.