Voxel
President of Progress City
I completely agree we should use this time to try new things
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D Hulk
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This is a really smart idea! Let's create at least one extreme thrill ride which can be cloned across different parks. We'll still create 8 original proposals, but this will add value to our ideas.
As an example, Carowinds and Kings Dominions each once had the same wood coaster Hurler. KD has had theirs hybridized into RMC's Twisted Timbers. As an option, we could newly hybridize Carowinds' Hurler (a replacement which is realistic & realistic) but add Disney-level theming to the experience. Later we can bring that same theming to KD's Twisted Timbers (plus a rename) without that counting as one of our KD alterations!
D Hulk
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Regarding the 8 attractions, 2 per park. Earlier we'd discussed doing 1 extreme ride and 1 family ride per park, and I still like that division.
Agree with @DisneyFan18 and @Pionmycake and others on how to divide a wide assortment of IPs. Time to start envisioning how that might work out (while also serving as Magic Mountain mentor).
@Voxel mentioned redoing/improving old Disney's America ideas in Kings Dominion, which is a great family idea for that park! Let this addition alter the area around it into a full-on new land and start KD's transformation into a history-themed park.
What to do for their extreme thrill ride? Anyone have ideas with Marvel, Star Wars or Disney animated IPs? Something Disney would never do in their own parks, like a 54" requirement multi-looper?
For Magic Mountain, I think their best family-friendly option involves improving Bugs Bunny World. @Brer Oswald, you've expressed interest in handling Looney Tunes. Would you like to brainstorm ideas for an all-new Looney Tunes family land and/or a grand Looney Tunes E-ticket?
Magic Mountain's other best option is a DC heroes extreme coaster which is also fully-themed on par with at least Expedition Everest. @kmbmw777 is our DC man. Any ideas, Kevin?
We've also seen interest in doing a DC dark ride for families. Keep in mind the SF chain has their existing Justice League shooter ride which fits that mold. Discovery Kingdom doesn't have one yet (Magic Mountain does), and they're a more family-friendly park. Tentatively, I'd say a DC dark ride E-ticket might work best there.
That depends on @TheOriginalTiki's ideas for DK, of course. Let's hear what he thinks. My other immediate DK thought, since they have the zoological park element, is to include some DAK-style additions TBD.
Anyway, it's a start. What other ideas do you guys have?
Agree with @DisneyFan18 and @Pionmycake and others on how to divide a wide assortment of IPs. Time to start envisioning how that might work out (while also serving as Magic Mountain mentor).
@Voxel mentioned redoing/improving old Disney's America ideas in Kings Dominion, which is a great family idea for that park! Let this addition alter the area around it into a full-on new land and start KD's transformation into a history-themed park.
What to do for their extreme thrill ride? Anyone have ideas with Marvel, Star Wars or Disney animated IPs? Something Disney would never do in their own parks, like a 54" requirement multi-looper?
For Magic Mountain, I think their best family-friendly option involves improving Bugs Bunny World. @Brer Oswald, you've expressed interest in handling Looney Tunes. Would you like to brainstorm ideas for an all-new Looney Tunes family land and/or a grand Looney Tunes E-ticket?
Magic Mountain's other best option is a DC heroes extreme coaster which is also fully-themed on par with at least Expedition Everest. @kmbmw777 is our DC man. Any ideas, Kevin?
We've also seen interest in doing a DC dark ride for families. Keep in mind the SF chain has their existing Justice League shooter ride which fits that mold. Discovery Kingdom doesn't have one yet (Magic Mountain does), and they're a more family-friendly park. Tentatively, I'd say a DC dark ride E-ticket might work best there.
That depends on @TheOriginalTiki's ideas for DK, of course. Let's hear what he thinks. My other immediate DK thought, since they have the zoological park element, is to include some DAK-style additions TBD.
Anyway, it's a start. What other ideas do you guys have?
Voxel
President of Progress City
Even beyond that, I'm thinking the grand scale additions that could be used in two parks something like STAR WARS Land or Marvel land which are getting implemented in two parks and have a large scale..
I might not be pushing all of King's Dominion into a full history based park, but instead just change the Candy Apple Grove (The Boardwalk) and Old Virginia to gain some more of the history based travelers that Come to virgina.
KD has always loved coasters so I would build a new Type of Coaster for them, something that hasn't been seen on the east coast.
Voxel
President of Progress City
I would agree with Discovery Kingdom getting some Animal Kingdom influences with it's attractions. It might be the best area to get a Indiana Jones/Dinosaur style attraction. I think it works with that theming..
D Hulk
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Doesn’t the East Coast have every coaster type? (Excepting unrepeatable one-offs like X2.)
My first idea is to do an Intamin Blitz like Maverick or Taron. They’re super intense but also low-to-the-ground which makes the theming easier. Use the Disney’s America concept of a steel mill coaster perhaps? That justifies the steel tracks. Add something like a S.E.A. story about a cursed artifact bedeviling the factory. Boom!
Voxel
President of Progress City
Your right, but I was thinking more along the new Stylization such as Maverick or Taron. I think those would be great ideas.
I'm gonna look at the Disney America Concept and see if Any amazing ideas come to mind.> I have a few.
Voxel
President of Progress City
Actually. I was thinking something you might really like Let me do some digging then I have a massive Purposal for Kings Dominion.
kmbmw777
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I’ll think about which characters would work with extreme coasters. My main idea would be a Batman ride a la Spider-Man at Universal. I think Batman’s wise array of recognizable villains would really lend itself well to that kind of ride.
Also, Green Lantern would work for a fun rollercoaster with nice theming. Sort of like space mountain but with a lot of colors that “pop”. I’ll type more out when I’m not in English class (although it’s Dutch day and I’m one of the few people not at school
TheOriginalTiki
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Okay, time to go nuts with Discovery Kingdom ideas. The first thing you need to know is that the park is in a weird transitional phase right now where the shows are quietly getting retired. They lost their elephants a couple years ago, their walrus exhibit is likely going to become extinct thanks to the death of one of the animals in there, they long since lost their killer whale show and are instead doing two different dolphin shows in two different stadiums, and dolphin shows in themselves are somewhat controversial and they stopped using their dolphin pool exhibit years ago. The stadiums offer a very sizable chunk of space, especially the old killer whale stadium which essentially connects the upper level of the park to the lower level (the park is built on a slight hill so there's some uphill walking, not nearly as much as Magic Mountain but it's still present...)
Other defunct areas include a ski stadium and body of water that I think could make a great location for whichever coaster we decide to put in. There's also a small "tiger island" that used to have a show but now it's just a rarely visited exhibit. In addition there's a small bird theater that only ever gets used for the hypnotist show during Fright Fest. I would say their two most popular shows are the ones we should keep...Temple of the Tiger (really well done conservation message in this one), and the Wacky Water Works Sea Lion Show (some genuinely funny corny humor here)
So in terms of footprints I'd say the Dolphin Harbor stadium, the Toyota Stadium (formerly the killer whale show), and the ski show stadium and body of water would be our best bets to work with. I'd stay clear of a Justice League dark ride as there's one in Magic Mountain and generally Six Flags is notorious for their "clones". Even if we did a whole new Justice League ride from the ground up it still wouldn't look great to have two of the same themed rides in California. Instead I'd definitely go with a Looney Tunes dark ride. That would fit the park much more as the park contains one of the better Looney Tunes areas I've seen in the Six Flags chain. If we use the ski stadium as the footprint for a Looney Tunes ride we could easily connect that to Looney Tunes Seaport. There's a very small kids area called Whistlestop Express (formerly Thomas Town) that could easily be rethemed as an expansion to the Seaport, and that connects right up to the abandoned ski stadium.
If we want to do something with DC, I'd lean more towards a Suicide Squad dark ride to have something different from Justice League. The only area we can really connect to the DC side of the park is Ocean Discovery which consists of an abandoned dolphin pool and small penguin and stingray exhibits. Only problem is if we did DC stuff in this area then the Sea Lion Stadium would feel out of place and that's one of the shows I think we should definitely be keeping. There's also some picnic areas in the back of Ocean Discovery as well as an upcharge "swim with the dolphins" experience that we might be able to gut in order to fit in more DC stuff.
As far as doing anything directly in the animal areas is concerned, it's tricky. Obviously we can't have a huge coaster back there as it would be a MAJOR noise issue. In my opinion their Boomerang is way too close to the tigers as it is. The closest I can think of is expanding the theme of Tava's Jungle Land (the park's largest kids area) into a dark ride. There's an animal stadium back there that does routine get used but I've NEVER seen more than half full we could probably gut. Tava's Jungleland is themed to the park's former baby elephant and features an array of colorful animal statues that could potentially serve as the basis for something.
If we want to do a true thrill coaster, our best bet might just be gutting the park's Vekoma SLC. It never has a long line even on peak days and is infamous as one of the worst, most bumpy SLCs on the planet. Keep in mind, we'd have to come up with something unique apart from sheer height for the thrill factor as the park has a strictly enforced 150 foot height limit. I've always dreamed of a mini hyper coaster that goes down into a 25 foot tunnel for the drop, but there's plenty of options here.
Other defunct areas include a ski stadium and body of water that I think could make a great location for whichever coaster we decide to put in. There's also a small "tiger island" that used to have a show but now it's just a rarely visited exhibit. In addition there's a small bird theater that only ever gets used for the hypnotist show during Fright Fest. I would say their two most popular shows are the ones we should keep...Temple of the Tiger (really well done conservation message in this one), and the Wacky Water Works Sea Lion Show (some genuinely funny corny humor here)
So in terms of footprints I'd say the Dolphin Harbor stadium, the Toyota Stadium (formerly the killer whale show), and the ski show stadium and body of water would be our best bets to work with. I'd stay clear of a Justice League dark ride as there's one in Magic Mountain and generally Six Flags is notorious for their "clones". Even if we did a whole new Justice League ride from the ground up it still wouldn't look great to have two of the same themed rides in California. Instead I'd definitely go with a Looney Tunes dark ride. That would fit the park much more as the park contains one of the better Looney Tunes areas I've seen in the Six Flags chain. If we use the ski stadium as the footprint for a Looney Tunes ride we could easily connect that to Looney Tunes Seaport. There's a very small kids area called Whistlestop Express (formerly Thomas Town) that could easily be rethemed as an expansion to the Seaport, and that connects right up to the abandoned ski stadium.
If we want to do something with DC, I'd lean more towards a Suicide Squad dark ride to have something different from Justice League. The only area we can really connect to the DC side of the park is Ocean Discovery which consists of an abandoned dolphin pool and small penguin and stingray exhibits. Only problem is if we did DC stuff in this area then the Sea Lion Stadium would feel out of place and that's one of the shows I think we should definitely be keeping. There's also some picnic areas in the back of Ocean Discovery as well as an upcharge "swim with the dolphins" experience that we might be able to gut in order to fit in more DC stuff.
As far as doing anything directly in the animal areas is concerned, it's tricky. Obviously we can't have a huge coaster back there as it would be a MAJOR noise issue. In my opinion their Boomerang is way too close to the tigers as it is. The closest I can think of is expanding the theme of Tava's Jungle Land (the park's largest kids area) into a dark ride. There's an animal stadium back there that does routine get used but I've NEVER seen more than half full we could probably gut. Tava's Jungleland is themed to the park's former baby elephant and features an array of colorful animal statues that could potentially serve as the basis for something.
If we want to do a true thrill coaster, our best bet might just be gutting the park's Vekoma SLC. It never has a long line even on peak days and is infamous as one of the worst, most bumpy SLCs on the planet. Keep in mind, we'd have to come up with something unique apart from sheer height for the thrill factor as the park has a strictly enforced 150 foot height limit. I've always dreamed of a mini hyper coaster that goes down into a 25 foot tunnel for the drop, but there's plenty of options here.
TheOriginalTiki
Well-Known Member
Something to consider with Magic Mountain is that the park is STRONGLY considering a redo of their Superman ride and tower. I think the tower could serve as a terrific opportunity to do a true EXTREME themed experience. Just food for thought...
Voxel
President of Progress City
Hey @D Hindley You wanted History and Voxel has History. $1 Billion Dollars is a lot of Money and Voxel is Ambitious
Welcome to the First Rough Draft of KD
First off let's Talk Old Virginia. I'm thinking this:
Blue Square : Restore the Long Flume and IP it to Death with our Favorite Virginian Princess $15 Million
Green Square : Restore the Raft Ride and rebuild the Saw Mill theme which were commons back in this period.. Make it more of period $10 Million
Orange Squares : Presidential Square: Hall of Presidents, maybe Revamp the Stage in this sections of a Hamilton Short Version, and a Family Attraction on the Founding of America and the History of Virginia (Unless other people have idea, I'm thinking a traditional Dark ride or something interactive idk). $300 Million
Red Square = Industrial Revolution, This would represent the Industrial Revolution in America with a High Speed, multi-launch- multi inversion coaster through a Foundry $200 Million. There might be a family attraction or two in here also.
Blue Line: This is a big park and Walking from one side to the other can be a hastle, so stealing from Virginia and local history we are paying homage to the First Electric Trolley system that was installed in Richmond Virginia. This trolley will run between Old Virginia and into Adventure. $100 Million
MISC Retheme:
Lion Safari will be an Homage to the American Sense of Adventure into the Unknown this will allow us to keep the theming we have..
50-100 million
And I have money left over MWUAHA.
Welcome to the First Rough Draft of KD
First off let's Talk Old Virginia. I'm thinking this:
Blue Square : Restore the Long Flume and IP it to Death with our Favorite Virginian Princess $15 Million
Green Square : Restore the Raft Ride and rebuild the Saw Mill theme which were commons back in this period.. Make it more of period $10 Million
Orange Squares : Presidential Square: Hall of Presidents, maybe Revamp the Stage in this sections of a Hamilton Short Version, and a Family Attraction on the Founding of America and the History of Virginia (Unless other people have idea, I'm thinking a traditional Dark ride or something interactive idk). $300 Million
Red Square = Industrial Revolution, This would represent the Industrial Revolution in America with a High Speed, multi-launch- multi inversion coaster through a Foundry $200 Million. There might be a family attraction or two in here also.
Blue Line: This is a big park and Walking from one side to the other can be a hastle, so stealing from Virginia and local history we are paying homage to the First Electric Trolley system that was installed in Richmond Virginia. This trolley will run between Old Virginia and into Adventure. $100 Million
MISC Retheme:
Lion Safari will be an Homage to the American Sense of Adventure into the Unknown this will allow us to keep the theming we have..
50-100 million
And I have money left over MWUAHA.
Disney Dad 3000
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Looney Tunes "Mansion" would be a trip
Voxel
President of Progress City
It would be hysterical!
Disney Dad 3000
Well-Known Member
A toon version of Animal House (without the beer)
DisneyFan18
Well-Known Member
This sounds amazing! I love it!
Voxel
President of Progress City
Thank you, I'll try to flush out the ideas more.> I'm struggling to come with an attraction idea for early America.. So time for the Hamilton Musical for Inspiration.
DisneyFan18
Well-Known Member
Some rough ideas, but since Six Flags Discovery Kingdom is located close to San Francisco, maybe we can retheme Taivan’s Jungleland into something along the lines of San Francisco Bay, with an extended version of the TRON Coaster, a Big Hero 6 Coaster that used the seating to Flying Launch Coaster that is being developed by Vekoma, a Muppet Themed family attraction, & an Inside Out Flat Ride, which should cost around 750M-850M leaving around 250M to 150M available to general refurbishments around tha Park. How does that sound? What do you think @TheOriginalTiki ?
TheOriginalTiki
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That really wouldn't work. Tava's Jungleland is smack dab in the middle of the park's animal area and everything around there is Africa/Safari themed. We'd have to completely gut the entire animal area if we want to redo the theme park there. There's also no real way you can do any sort of major coaster back there without it being a huge intrusion to the animals in the area. Now there's a serious discussion to be had on if we do want to get rid of the animal stuff in the back of the park. It would free up a ton of space and might be a good PR move for the park as they've faced Seaworld style criticism in the face of the whole animals in captivity thing. I wouldn't feel super thrilled about removing the animals however as it's been a backbone of the park since long before the Six Flags days and removing that area would be taking away a huge chunk of history.