Survivor Caramoan: Fans vs Favorites

[flynnibus]

But, isn't Survivor at its heart about the social aspect, making friends?
It could be argued that making the most friends is the ideal way to "work the system", as you said.

I'm curious, what would you suggest as an alternate method of choosing the winner?

The social aspect is what EVOLVED in the game. The very idea of an alliance was devised by Hatch in season 1 as a way to establish a voting block.. making it a game of alliances instead of simply 'the best person wins'. The original idea was more about competing and people voting off the undesirables. But then the game evolved when players started collaborating vs simply competing against each other.

So yes, the social aspect is part of the game.. and it is one element of how you PLAY to win. But I'd argue it's still about how you PLAYED - not 'who is my friend or not' - which is how too many of the votes go. Juries hold grudges and don't vote on game play but rather 'who screwed me'. The jury are too personal instead of voting for who played the best.

Well.. an alternative that is simple.. is simply tell the jury they should be voting on who they believed played the best - not 'however you feel like voting'

A second alternative would be to pick the winner by challenges instead of the jury. Obviously that changes the game dynamic a ton since there is no 'fear of the jury' when voting people out.

The idea of manipulating should not be seen as a negative. If jury people would think 'man.. you got me good.. that was well played.. kudos' instead of 'I thought we were friends... that hurt' - the jury voting would be a lot more meaningful to me.

But the lame votes in lots of the seasons put me off so bad. Like Sandra the second time? pfft

 

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10 minutes left. Let's hope this is another good episode!

 

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Sounds like it's going to be an interesting vote.

 

[disneysince71]

Sounds like it's going to be an interesting vote.

Bob what do you think?
Where's Bob?

 

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Reynold is an idiot.

That was a great episode though.

 

[NYwdwfan]

I love tha they cut to Eric's reaction when Reynold handed off his idol. He was so clearly having a flashback to his boneheaded move in the LAST fans vs. favorites. (I actually JUST realized he's the only favorite to have played as a fan the last time they did this).

 

[GenerationX]

This was an excellent episode full of strategic scheming. I like Andrea, Cochrane, and Malcolm, and they are all playing very interesting games.

I'm fine with how the winner is selected. Jury members are free to use whatever rationale they choose. That's why this is and always was a 100% social game. In addition to not getting yourself voted out, you need to figure out what criteria each person might use to vote for a winner and appeal to it. Not an easy task.

And I want in on Stealth 'r Us. I just need Philip to give me a cool operative name ...

 

[Bob Saget]

Bob what do you think?

Good episode! Crazy tribal though.

 

[disneysince71]

Good episode! Crazy tribal though.

BOB!!! YOUR BACK!!!!

 

[captainkidd]

Just lost all respect for Malcolm. I understand the way this game is played, but that was a DUMB move. Unless he somehow makes it to the Final 3 without having to play his idol, everyone is going to know that he lied last night and almost screwed Reynold. Then again, he can always just say he found it afterwards, so I guess it makes no difference.

I like Dawn, but I'm sick of her crying.

I'm hoping somehow Andrea wins, but she's got too big of a mouth to make it to the end I think.

 

[SAV]

Man...I hate that they took the easy way out. So much strategy and game play being talked about and talked through, then they just take out the easy prey. They so should have used the 3 fans to take out the higher ups in the Fav's tribe. They still would have had numbers and control. They never questioned the Fav's about their reaction to a fan being brought into their little group. And Sherri is ultra annoying.

I don't mind Malcolm's little ploy to get the idol, I do think he thought they turned on him, especially with the events of the last week. You could see on his face. I guess his Reynold vote did prove that he is still on the Fav's side.

I am soooooo over Dawn. Way too much crybaby going on. And she's doing nothing but being a tattle tale. No strategic moves at all...just following. She should know she is on the bottom and needs to make a move. It's not to early.

Brenda is limping badly, but this was the perfect challenge for her. Not doing anything but breathing.

A bit of nice camera work tonite, but not as many good shots as some episodes.

 

[PUSH]

Sherri could stick around a while until the favorites destroy the (somewhat) threatening fans. The fans I'm talking about are Eddie and Reynold.

Sherri and Dawn are both at the bottom, too. Dawn is nothing but a follower. She is still here just to get another vote, and she'll be gone once they destroy the other alliance(s).

I like Brenda. She seems nice, but not a pushover. She's playing strategically, and I think she'll make a move at the right time. Lay low and don't get on anyone's nerves until you can strike.

I think Philip could go to the end. He's the perfect person to get to the final vote because nobody will vote for him.

Is it Wednesday night yet?

 

[artvandelay]

I don't mind Malcolm's little ploy to get the idol, I do think he thought they turned on him, especially with the events of the last week. You could see on his face. I guess his Reynold vote did prove that he is still on the Fav's side.

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Malcolm's moves were great. He gets Reynold (or Reynolds as Phillip calls him) to give him his idol while having an idol in his pocket! Genius move. Malcolm had nothing to lose. He thought he was going home. If Reynold says no, he plays his own idol and is safe.

 

[SAV]

Michael Interview up:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/2013/04/11/survivor-castaway-michael-we-didn’t-think-dawn-was-so-ruthless/

And Michael is the first member of the Jury.

 

[SAV]

Ponderosa footage up:

http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/v...rvivor-caramoan-michael-arrives-at-ponderosa/

 

[PUSH]

Michael Interview up:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/2013/04/11/survivor-castaway-michael-we-didn’t-think-dawn-was-so-ruthless/

And Michael is the first member of the Jury.

I like his word association with Philip.

 

[Darth Tater]

Malcolm's moves were great. He gets Reynold (or Reynolds as Phillip calls him) to give him his idol while having an idol in his pocket!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't that a first? I know there have been plenty of idol give-up's in the past; sometimes smart moves...sometimes *cough, Eric* dumb moves. But wasn't last night the first time someone convinced another to hand over an idol...when they were secretly holding one themselves?

 

[PUSH]

From the description on my TV, it sounds like it's going to be a good episode tonight!

 

[Foolish Mortal]

That was so worth waiting a week for.

 

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SPOILER FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T WATCHED IT YET!







My TV didn't lie! That was the greatest thing ever! Haha, I laughed a lot during that. Totally wasn't expecting it to be Phillip. This should spice up the competition, and the jury a lot. Should Eddie, Malcolm, or Reynold make it to the final, Phillip is going to HATE them!

I'm still excited!