Survivor Caramoan: Fans vs Favorites

[artvandelay]

Speaking of Phillip and last night, does anyone else think he made up that story about why he was afraid of doing that challenge?

With him, I'm suspicious that he just didn't want to look bad doing it.

I think you're right. Phillip didn't have a problem with the previous immunity challenge which was to be trapped under a grate while the water rose over your head!

 

[GenerationX]

Last night's tribal council was indeed one of the best ever. I applaud Malcolm's play, except for one thing: he targeted the wrong person. While I found Phillip's delusions amusing, his fellow Stealth 'r Us alliance mates didn't like him. Thus, Phillip's presence in the game would have made it easier for Malcolm's alliance to divide the others and pull in the two they needed for the next tribal council. Rather than gloating, they should have quietly voted for a real competitor - Brenda, Andrea, or Cochrane. That would have set them up better for next week.

 

[SAV]

The only reason I don't agree with not going after Phillip is because Sherri was blindly following him and the others, as much as they talked, they were following him too. He was the figurehead who seemed to be running the game at that time. Every time he spoke, they did do what he said. Every vote that happened was what he planned. Even that last one, he said to just vote the way they were planning on. Everyone except Erik did that. Now there isn't the fear of him having numbers, so things will open up a lot. Sherri doesn't have a "leader" now, Erik proved he will flip. Now they can go after the low hanging members on the former Stealth R Us without fear of Phillip's retribution.

 

[flynnibus]

'twas a great episode. As to Phillip on the jury, it's possible he might actually respect the guys for making a smart move.

Reading that was even funnier than watching the show.

No way Phillip steps back and looks at it as great game play.

 

[flynnibus]

The only time the producers are allowed to interfere is if there is a health risk/injury. They get to make the call if someone has to go, despite if the player wants to stay (if it is something serious). Other than that, the only "interference" would be when Jeff is asking questions during tribal council, seeing if somebody will let something slip, or reveal a strategy, etc. The rest is all the contestants actions & choices.

Yes, that's how it's supposed to be.. but players in the past have make accusations of interference (by producers disclosing things or by when/how they do things).

 

[flynnibus]

In the Phillip interview, I think he hit Brenda spot on with his word association. She's dangerous, IMO. Stay quiet, be nice to everyone, be very friendly and approachable.

She's dangerous because she's 'good enough' to be noticed and not seen as a pure 'rider' - yet likably enough that people will vote for her as a 'friend' in the end. Plus, she will be good in endurance challenges as most of the petite girls tend to be.

Oh and also, what was up with Dawn and the lost retainer thing? I'm confused as to how she wouldn't be able to play the game without it. Are there infection concerns? Is it an absolute must for eating? Or did she just not feel comfortable with teeth missing?

Totally a self-conscious thing...

 

[flynnibus]

Last night's tribal council was indeed one of the best ever. I applaud Malcolm's play, except for one thing: he targeted the wrong person. While I found Phillip's delusions amusing, his fellow Stealth 'r Us alliance mates didn't like him. Thus, Phillip's presence in the game would have made it easier for Malcolm's alliance to divide the others and pull in the two they needed for the next tribal council. Rather than gloating, they should have quietly voted for a real competitor - Brenda, Andrea, or Cochrane. That would have set them up better for next week.

I don't agree - no one has been willing to stand up to Phillip and break rank. They all feared retaliation.. so knocking him off is key to loosening up the other players. Andrea they already know is on the edge with the alliance.. so she's a potential flipper. Cochrane is invisible in challenges and while calculating, he can't motivate or sway an alliance I don't think. I think Phillip was a good choice - plus he's good at any throwing/shooting challenges. And it sends the message...

 

[flynnibus]

so I finally watched last night.. and I totally had to pause it a few times during tribal.

It definitely was a double-edged situation... you had Malcom and them with a play to show the idol but not play it... which Jeff spoiled by talking about it (shush jeff!!!) and then you had the alliance of 7 having to decide who to vote for... eat one of your own or stick to the plan.. while not giving Malcolm the tip off to NOT play the idols.

I'm shocked Phillip didn't just say outloud 'everyone vote for andrea' - and he would have saved himself. Sure the idols may not have been played... but they still would have had the numbers.

Malcolm and them had to play a fine line of threatening to play the idols and potentially holding onto them. But you don't get a second chance.. so I think playing them was the smart move. But you also had someone almost give it away (erik?) when Malcolm wasn't standing up.. and he quickly jumped up.

Erik is spineless and he can't be trusted to do anything. They should try to swing his vote and them punt him as soon as possible.

I'd try to swing sherri (say.. its all about going further..) and andrea (they already hate you..) and then pick off brenda, erik, cochrane, dawne. Maybe eating one of your own before dawne.

I think Russel's tribal was better (in the rankings of best tribals...)... but the 'play to survive' attitude of the boys was pretty good.

 

[GenerationX]

Phillip was just a figurehead. The one really running the alliance and the votes was (and is) Andrea. She decided to get rid of Michael, she is seen leading the Stealth 'r Us meetings in several eps, and Malcolm interviewed last week that she was the real one in charge. Phillip was not the brains behind the operation. I think they all humored him rather than followed him. I still think picking off a smarter player would have been a better choice for Malcolm.

Regardless, Malcolm and the other two should not have announced who they were voting for. More scrambling and chaos would have helped create divisions within the other seven.

 

[Darth Tater]

but players in the past have make accusations of interference (by producers disclosing things or by when/how they do things).

True. But as soon as the network requested those accusations to be settled in court...those attention-seeking players immediately shut up.
This is a competition for a monetary prize. If the producers interfered with elements which could possibly be deemed in a court of law as making the playing field unfair for all participating contestants...then the show & network would be susceptible to major lawsuits from players.

 

[Lucky]

I'm shocked Phillip didn't just say outloud 'everyone vote for andrea' - and he would have saved himself. Sure the idols may not have been played... but they still would have had the numbers.

I agree Phillip was the right one for Malcolm & the others to get rid of. I've always found Phillip very irritating and full of himself, but I give him credit for saying "stick to the plan" - that helped his allies by forcing Malcolm to play the idols, even while knowing that would knock him out of the game, if Malcolm, Eddie and Reynold all voted for Phillip as they announced.

 

[flynnibus]

but I give him credit for saying "stick to the plan" - that helped his allies by forcing Malcolm to play the idols, even while knowing that would knock him out of the game, if Malcolm, Eddie and Reynold all voted for Phillip as they announced.

It certainly was a 'damned if I do.. damned if I don't'

I'm surprised the contestants didn't push the boundaries more. I mean.. are they glued to their seats? Why not simply get up and whisper into someone's ear? I'd be curious to hear if they have other limits placed on them.

The 'best case..' outcome would have been to not tip off the boys and then still vote andrea - but doing so would have required misleading the boys and andrea.. which means whispering two different tales.

It wouldn't have hurt the allies to not flush the idol out that tribal.. they still had numbers. Even if they took out andrea, the next tribal they would have known the two idols are out there and played accordingly. Certainly a lot to think about in real time and certainly hard to do when flustered...

 

[Darth Tater]

Tonight's episode (4/24/13) is titled: "Come Over to the Dark Side."
"The Three Amigos concoct a lie in an attempt to take control of the game."

I'm guessing the attempt will fail. Just too many numbers still in Stealth R. Us. Who knows. Should be interesting.

 

[SAV]

And will there be any focus put on the hunt for the replaced Immunity idols? They have already been such a big part of the game that they will have to replace them.

 

[bsiev1977]

The immunity challenge tonight is one of those endurance ones.
They showed it in the preview they ran during the Amzing Race on Sunday.
The players have to use one hand only on a rope to hold up a log, which when dropped smashes a tiki looking thing.
This would seem to favor the men, minus Cochrane.

 

[PUSH]

The immunity challenge tonight is one of those endurance ones.
They showed it in the preview they ran during the Amzing Race on Sunday.
The players have to use one hand only on a rope to hold up a log, which when dropped smashes a tiki looking thing.
This would seem to favor the men, minus Cochrane.

Sherri's screwed.

 

[PUSH]

Unfortunately I won't be able to watch tonight, got something going on, but I will (hopefully) be able to watch tomorrow night!

 

[bsiev1977]

Sherri's screwed.

Honestly, all the ladies are at a disadvantage in a challenge that's purely upper body endurance.

 

[PUSH]

Honestly, all the ladies are at a disadvantage in a challenge that's purely upper body endurance.

But Sherri in particular. She has arms the size of toothpicks.

 

[Darth Tater]

I won't say too much since not everybody has seen this week's episode, but after tonight, I strongly believe that you-know-who should not have given away his 2nd you-know-what during last week's Tribal Council.