ToTBellHop
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Yes, and I think it was an attempt to keep more people at home at Christmas.
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Stevek
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Which I think failed given what we saw happen after. We stayed home, much of our family did not. They got covid and are ok.
What your chart shows is that the case rate and hospitalization rate are both currently about triple what they were when the Stay-At-Home-Order and Statewide Curfew were enacted. So suddenly that doesn't matter?
The Stay-At-Home Order was enacted because "Adjusted" ICU capacity dipped below 15%, and for the SoCal Region the "Adjusted" rate is still 0.0% and the Unadjusted rate for OC is 9.2%.
The Statewide 10PM Curfew was enacted because, well... I honestly don't even remember what that one was about. I suppose I could Google it, but because every big box store in the state and my local In-N-Out refused to obey the curfew, I honestly didn't care. No one cared.
Your chart showing case rates and hospitalization triple what they were before these mandates only proves that this whole thing has become a giant joke. Triple!
George Lucas on a Bench
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The problem with trying to predict this stuff with Data Models is that they're constantly wrong. It's why they've just fudged the numbers whenever they've wanted (if there ARE numbers) and declared it Science and Data. It's also why they brought the reopening to a grinding halt over the Summer. They've overestimated the transmission and deaths from the beginning, then suddenly let their guard down, then locked the state down like Fort Knox again, then got drunk at The French Laundry, now they're letting their guard down again in Respiratory Virus Season, and you have to wonder how they're even coming up with this stuff? At least one person asked and never got an answer from this putz.
Tamandua
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There's really nothing other than political reasons to shift gears right now. I was never in favor of stay at home orders, but I can't make sense of this move even going by their own logic. Not that it really matters. It's a headline or a sound byte to appease people, but they're not allowing my favorite restaurant to open the salad bar so what's the point? I'll stay angry thank you very much.
John & Ken just started their afternoon show on KFI AM 640, one of the most listened to radio shows in the nation on SoCal's most popular radio station.
They are EVISCERATING Governor Newsom over this.
So far all they are doing is playing Newsom's own statements and word-salad babble from his press conference earlier today. It's mind bogglingly meaningless the way he talks, and it's instantly hilarious without any commentary.
And yes, John & Ken are surmising this is all about the lawsuit filed recently in Napa County, because that lawsuit sues Governor Newsom and his statewide decisions specifically, instead of suing a specific county.
They are EVISCERATING Governor Newsom over this.
So far all they are doing is playing Newsom's own statements and word-salad babble from his press conference earlier today. It's mind bogglingly meaningless the way he talks, and it's instantly hilarious without any commentary.
And yes, John & Ken are surmising this is all about the lawsuit filed recently in Napa County, because that lawsuit sues Governor Newsom and his statewide decisions specifically, instead of suing a specific county.
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The joke isn't on who you think it is. You keep pushing this pointless agenda pretending to not understand basic concepts and failing. My god get a new act already.
What does the current number of people in hospitals have to do with easing restrictions when infections are declining?
But we were told the Regionals Stay-At-Home Order was required because of ICU capacity by region. Those ICU numbers are still beyond the threshold that was set up originally. How does that Science & Data make sense?
In my never ending quest to provide public service, and to prove that I have the computer and artistic skills of a 3rd grader, I have noted on the chart @el_super provided the dates that both the Stay-At-Home Order and the Statewide 10PM Curfew were imposed. If the current numbers are over triple what they were when these mandates were imposed, then why are these two mandates being suddenly removed effective immediately?
It's a complete 180 degree reversal of the previous Science & Data we were told we must obey.
Red is Regional Stay-At-Home Order imposed on December 3rd.
Blue is Statewide 10PM Curfew imposed on November 20th.
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I'm sorry, I think I may owe you an apology. Not only are you struggling with logical reasoning you really don't understand basic math, do you? I'm dead serious.
Again, explain to us what does the current number of people in hospitals have to do with easing restrictions when infections are declining?
Emmanuel
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LA County is moving ahead with resuming outdoor dining this coming Friday.
Pasadena (with its own health dept) is moving ahead with resuming outdoor dining today
I would expect Downtown Disney to resume outdoor dining this week probably around the same time LA County resumes it
Pasadena (with its own health dept) is moving ahead with resuming outdoor dining today
I would expect Downtown Disney to resume outdoor dining this week probably around the same time LA County resumes it
The Stay-At-Home Order was imposed on December 3rd due to regional ICU capacity. If Adjusted ICU capacity was below 15.0% for any region, that region had a Stay-At-Home Order imposed.
The current Adjusted ICU Capacity for SoCal Region is at 0.0% as of January 24th. It has been stuck at 0.0% capacity for months now. That ICU capacity hasn't changed.
But suddenly, without any advance warning and effective immediately, the ICU capacity of any one region no longer matters. It's all been reversed and removed today, effective immediately. How? Why?
What's interesting is that the state's dashboard was just updated this afternoon. Cases, deaths and positive tests were all up today. But the curfew and Stay-At-Home Order are both ended, effective immediately.
California Cases Today = 27,007, A 0.9% Increase From Yesterday
California Deaths Today = 328, A 0.9% Increase From Yesterday
California Tests Today = 403,198, A 1.0% Increase From Yesterday
So... Sacramento is good with those increasing numbers? No more Stay-At-Home Order? Sure....
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Great point! I haven't seen anything about OC specifically yet, but I'm sure that announcement will be imminent.
I am thrilled that outdoor dining for these big, corporate locations will resume in OC shortly!
Even though our local ICU capacity is currently 0.0%, of course.
Mac Tonight
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If I may just jump in here for a smidge...
I think all TP is asking is why is Newsom removing restrictions now, when the numbers are currently still higher (or worse) than they were when the restrictions were first put in place.
To use a really bad example, it would be like if you had a bunch of people swimming in a pool with 3ft of water. Then suddenly the water level rises to 4ft and someone decided it isn't safe to be in there anymore and everyone needed to get out. The water level kept rising until it got to 6ft, but then started dipping back down... now, the water level is down to 5 1/2 feet and whoever is in charge of the pool has decided that for some reason it's safe to swim again.
Obviously, "the numbers" are trending downwards, but why not wait until they're back to pre-SAHO levels before removing the restrictions.
That's my interpretation.
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Dude, the infection rate is DECLINING. In California it's down almost 40% over the past two weeks. There's no conspiracy. STOP.
D
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And obviously (well maybe not so obvious to those here pushing stupid covid conspiracy agendas) a downward trend in infection rates predicts that future hospitalizations will decline as well. Much like officials shut down the state in anticipation of the surge they are now relaxing restrictions in anticipation of things improving. This is really not that hard to grasp.
For the record, the infection rate in California actually rose today by 0.9%.
I don't know why some folks keep trying to shut down people they disagree with by using the word "conspiracy"???
I've never been into conspiracy theories. I just don't believe in them; from politics, to Covid policy, to who shot JFK, to UFO's or Big Foot crazies. Or a personal conspiracy favorite, that I engaged in a decades-long secret campaign to fire Michael Eisner and elevate Bob Iger to power.
As such, I do not believe there is a conspiracy involved here by anyone in Sacramento.
It is simply a 180 degree reversal of nearly everything the leaders in Sacramento and LA County said they were going to do just a few months ago. There's no conspiracy there, it's just a simple fact that suddenly political leaders reversed the Statewide Curfew and Stay-At-Home Orders. Even though SoCal ICU Capacity is still 0.0%.
California lifts statewide Covid stay-at-home order, allowing restaurants to reopen
The California Department of Public Health said Monday that the state's stay-at-home order will be lifted for every region beginning immediately.
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Perhaps non-Disney owned locations, for Disney owned locations it will be at least 2-3 weeks at a minimum, as even after a decision has been made they have to do the following:
- Recall the furloughed managers for each area/location
- Recall the furloughed executive chefs for each area/location
- Recall the furloughed cast members for foods
- Restock all locations
Mac Tonight
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And I'm OK with that anticipation... so long as it doesn't cause more lackadaisical thinking in people (who are honestly probably already being lax with this) and then we see the downward trend reverse.
George Lucas on a Bench
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I have no idea what you're responding to because I have all these Shut It Downers on ignore, but my point earlier was questioning this exactly. Ignoring the timing politically because I am apolitical, this is Respiratory Virus Season and it looks like cases are worse than ever now according to these Sacramentian Data Models. Loosening restrictions right now is like collecting everyone's life jackets after Titanic has struck the iceberg. Where is the Science and Data to make sense of any of this?