Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

LastoneOn

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Because the order from the state clearly states that "Outdoor Recreational Facilities" may remain open, but that "no food, beverage or alcohol sales are allowed". What is an "Outdoor Recreational Facility" in the minds of Sacramento? Is that a state campground, and the campground's snack bar must close? Or is an
Definitions are pesky things aren't they? Orwell struggled with them too.
 

LastoneOn

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Is there any evidence that Downtown Disney in Anaheim being open contributes to a lack of ambulances in San Bernadino?

Has contact tracing identified a mass covid outbreak that spread amongst patrons of Downtown Disney?

What's the science and data that backs up closing Anaheim because of San Bernadino?

They're looking under a black clothed covered table in Fulton County Georgia for your answers as we speak.

Just have to believe!

You Can Do It Thumbs Up GIF by digitxdentsujs
 

Tamandua

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So we're nine months (officially) into a pandemic (although a lot of us got covid earlier, like 2 months before they shut anything down) and millions of people in California have recovered and are immune to the disease. Yet the governor makes no exemption for the considerable percentage of the population who are immune. Why is that? Surely allowing business to continue for the millions of Californians who aren't at risk would be preferable to confining everyone to their homes.

Let me predict what the lockdown crowd will say: "But you can get it again!"

Last I heard, with over 55 million cases worldwide, there were 4 reported cases of reinfection, and even those were debatable. In any case, reinfection is almost unheard of.

Gavin Newsom is nothing less than a tyrant and a hypocrite. This has never been about public health. It's all about controlling the population and justifying extreme political shifts in the name of public health. All the people defending him are brainwashed. You're on a Disneyland message board defending the yearlong plus shutdown of Disneyland over a virus with a greater than 99.9% survival rate.

After the better part of a year of hearing about nothing but covid, everyone knows what they need to do to avoid it. If people decide to take a risk and go about their lives, let them. We're still under 20,000 covid deaths in California, and the vast majority of those were people already past the life expectancy age, many already ill with other health issues. 500,000 people could die and it wouldn't be worth violating civil liberties and taking away people's freedom.

You people ought to be ashamed, trading your freedom and your livelihoods for the false promise of a little more safety, and many, many of the hardliners championing the shutdowns and lockdowns have not even been spared from the disease. Wake up and take your lives back.
 

TP2000

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Here's the latest news this evening from the OC Register on Downtown Disney. As we expected, most restaurants will now be closed. And 350 CM's who were recently brought back to work are now furloughed again. :(


Disneyland has been forced to close outdoor dining restaurants in Downtown Disney and Buena Vista Street and furlough 350 employees because of the Southern California stay-at-home order set to go into effect this weekend.

Disneyland will close restaurants and food and beverage locations that don’t offer takeout while retail locations will continue to operate at reduced capacity starting on Monday, Dec. 7 in accordance with the regional order issued by state officials.

About 350 Disneyland resort employees will return to furlough because of the state’s stay-at-home order, according to Disneyland officials.

DCA restaurants that don’t offer takeout — including Carthay Circle Lounge, Award Wieners and Fiddler, Fifer & Practical Cafe — will close. Existing dining reservations for Carthay Circle will be automatically cancelled with no cancellation fee.

Retail shops that sell food — including Marceline’s Confectionary in Downtown Disney and Trolley Treats in Disney California Adventure — will remain open. Food purchased at those locations must be eaten off-site.


Downtown Disney restaurants that offer outdoor dining without takeout service — such as Ballast Point Brewery, Catal and Splitzville — are expected to close. Downtown Disney restaurants with takeout windows — like Ralph Brennan’s Jazz Kitchen, Tortilla Jo’s and Black Tap Craft Burgers & Beer — could choose to remain open.
 

George Lucas on a Bench

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This is why working at CoviDisneyland at this point is in absolutely no way viable employment. All CMs need to find other work if they haven't already. Become Essential Frontline Workers. Find something where they'll never can you. What are these hundreds of CMs staffed at the CoviDisneyland Resort going to do now? Immediately find other work? Apply for The Dole for presumably the second time? At any point, the state of California can pull the plug on operations of the resort. There is absolutely no job security for CMs. Evacuate that sinking ship like first class women and children.
 

TP2000

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How Ominous.

It could be more ominous if they tried, like changing the image of the virus into a black blob with spikier knobby things. It sort of looks like a happy Japanese cartoon sea sponge, especially with that bright color blue they chose.

Here's the science and data on the survival rates for all those Cases.

CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates
  • Age 0-19 = 99.997%
  • Age 20-49 = 99.98%
  • Age 50-69 = 99.5%
  • Age 70-105 = 94.6%

 

lazyboy97o

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Is there any evidence that Downtown Disney in Anaheim being open contributes to a lack of ambulances in San Bernadino?

Has contact tracing identified a mass covid outbreak that spread amongst patrons of Downtown Disney?

What's the science and data that backs up closing Anaheim because of San Bernadino?
Hospitals move patients to other facilities. Less populated areas are dependent on specialists located in more populated areas.
So we're nine months (officially) into a pandemic (although a lot of us got covid earlier, like 2 months before they shut anything down) and millions of people in California have recovered and are immune to the disease. Yet the governor makes no exemption for the considerable percentage of the population who are immune.
That’s a gross exaggeration.
You're on a Disneyland message board defending the yearlong plus shutdown of Disneyland over a virus with a greater than 99.9% survival rate.
You’re on a Disneyland message board lying about how many people have died.
 

lazyboy97o

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It could be more ominous if they tried, like changing the image of the virus into a black blob with spikier knobby things. It sort of looks like a happy Japanese cartoon sea sponge, especially with that bright color blue they chose.

Here's the science and data on the survival rates for all those Cases.

CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates
  • Age 0-19 = 99.997%
  • Age 20-49 = 99.98%
  • Age 50-69 = 99.5%
  • Age 70-105 = 94.6%

Death is not the only negative outcome or negative impact. Figure out what causes the flu yet?
 

TP2000

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This is why working at CoviDisneyland at this point is in absolutely no way viable employment. All CMs need to find other work if they haven't already. Become Essential Frontline Workers. Find something where they'll never can you. What are these hundreds of CMs staffed at the CoviDisneyland Resort going to do now? Immediately find other work? Apply for The Dole for presumably the second time? At any point, the state of California can pull the plug on operations of the resort. There is absolutely no job security for CMs. Evacuate that sinking ship like first class women and children.

Thank you. You nailed it, and exactly what I was thinking as we discussed trying to restaff and restart the Disneyland Resort in that other thread.

If I'm a 20something kid working at Taste Pilot's Grill or Award Weiner's, and I get laid off a second time after only 3 days back on the job after an 8 month closure, do I really want to stick around for this place to reopen later in 2021 or 2022? Why not just go work at McDonald's or Chick-Fil-A or Target?

Worse, if I'm the 35 year old Dockers-wearing manager of one of those places and I have a mortgage and a car payment to worry about, why would I stick around also?

I have no idea how they are going to get all these CM's to stick around in 2021.
 

mickEblu

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I would like to know from those that are unabashedly in favor of all of these regulations in California.... how many of you have been impacted financially in a major way and how many of you Have young kids? I don’t know everybody’s personal life around here but I have been around long enough and know that a few of the most Vocal “shut it downers” do not have kids or at least do not have young kids. Let me just say to those of you- this pandemic has forced me to take my patience to levels of Sainthood. Having a newborn and a 5 year old at home who is going stir crazy at home because he should be in school or playing with friends has been something. On one hand I appreciate all the time with family. On the other, you know the saying ... life is all about balance. We ve had to continue working and be our kids teachers among all the other ordinary duties. This has been extremely tough on young families and Im positive my son is Falling behind and will probably graduate high school when he’s damn near 20 now. And he called a stick of legos his friend the other day.

This just kind of reminds me how peaceful those Buddhist monks look and how they look like the have it all figured it out but then I wonder how peaceful they would be if they weren’t living in a garden and were thrust into my life.
 

SuddenStorm

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Thank you. You nailed it, and exactly what I was thinking as we discussed trying to restaff and restart the Disneyland Resort in that other thread.

If I'm a 20something kid working at Taste Pilot's Grill or Award Weiner's, and I get laid off a second time after only 3 days back on the job after an 8 month closure, do I really want to stick around for this place to reopen later in 2021 or 2022? Why not just go work at McDonald's or Chick-Fil-A or Target?

Worse, if I'm the 35 year old Dockers-wearing manager of one of those places and I have a mortgage and a car payment to worry about, why would I stick around also?

I have no idea how they are going to get all these CM's to stick around in 2021.

To build on this- a common statement among many managers at Disneyland I was told during Fall 2019 was "We're [Meaning Disneyland] not going anywhere". They were comfortable- the resort had enjoyed record crowds for years, and even with an underwhelming 2019 there was no reason to believe that Rise of the Resistance and Avenger's Campus wouldn't rejuvenate resort attendance. Investment in Anaheim was at a high- with multiple thorough ride refurbishments announced and Tomorrowland finally getting its entrance addressed. Each union had negotiated a raise, so pay among workers was at a high as well. Things were very, very good in Anaheim going into 2020.

Well, Disneyland sure went somewhere this year- and now thousands are out of work. After 65 years of anywhere from moderate to overwhelming success- many at Disneyland, especially those with seniority, had no reason to worry about their jobs. Even during 9/11 and its aftermath the parks remained open (other then a one day closure), even during 2008. Even during measles outbreaks that could actually be traced to Disneyland (unlike Covid), the resort stayed open.

If I were someone who was thinking about kickstarting a career in hospitality living in the area- there would be no reason to think a union Disneyland job in guest relations or front desk wouldn't be an excellent college job. Now? If Disneyland can just close on a moment's notice for months at a time- why would you want a career there?
 

TP2000

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We might as well put this here, since it's kind of related but perhaps not ready for its own thread...


Knott’s Berry Farm could be forced to alter, delay or cancel its popular Taste of Merry Farm food festival because of the Southern California stay-at-home order set to go into effect this weekend.

Knott’s officials said they will have more information soon on the impact of the state’s stay-at-home order on Taste of Merry Farm and other Knott’s businesses.

“Taste of Merry Farm will operate through Sunday, Dec. 6,” according to the Knott’s website. “More information on future dates will be provided early next week.”

I know I've mentioned before how I thought it was interesting Knott's was able to get away with all this stuff for the past few months, since "Festivals" were clearly on the state's prohibited activities list. But somehow Knott's threaded the needle with bureaucrats and operated food festivals that weren't "Festivals".

But I would imagine the "information on future dates" coming in a few days is just the official cancellation notice and how refunds will be processed. :(
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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We might as well put this here, since it's kind of related but perhaps not ready for its own thread...


Knott’s Berry Farm could be forced to alter, delay or cancel its popular Taste of Merry Farm food festival because of the Southern California stay-at-home order set to go into effect this weekend.

Knott’s officials said they will have more information soon on the impact of the state’s stay-at-home order on Taste of Merry Farm and other Knott’s businesses.


“Taste of Merry Farm will operate through Sunday, Dec. 6,” according to the Knott’s website. “More information on future dates will be provided early next week.”

I know I've mentioned before how I thought it was interesting Knott's was able to get away with all this stuff for the past few months, since "Festivals" were clearly on the state's prohibited activities list. But somehow Knott's threaded the needle with bureaucrats and operated food festivals that weren't "Festivals".

But I would imagine the "information on future dates" coming in a few days is just the official cancellation notice and how refunds will be processed. :(
AKA "We're screwed and we know it"
 

TP2000

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If I were someone who was thinking about kickstarting a career in hospitality living in the area- there would be no reason to think a union Disneyland job in guest relations or front desk wouldn't be an excellent college job. Now? If Disneyland can just close on a moment's notice for months at a time- why would you want a career there?

You wouldn't. Or at least you shouldn't.
AKA "We're screwed and we know it"

I shouldn't laugh, but yeah... they're screwed and they know it.

I'd imagine this ends up costing them a chunk of money when you think of the decorations, supplies, equipment, etc. they purchased or used for this Christmas event that is now cancelled in early December. And even big businesses like Cedar Fair shouldn't be wasting chunks of money to put on events that can be suddenly cancelled by the state.

I'm picturing a few Knott's executives opening a bottle of whiskey about now, staring out their windows...
 

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