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Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

Darkbeer1

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More Orange County restaurants decide to stay open, declaring their views on Instagram – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)

>>More Orange County restaurant owners were joining the ranks of a mini-movement to defy the state’s latest stay-at-home order, adding their names to a list of bars and eateries on Instagram that had grown to 63 by Saturday, Dec. 12.

The list, under the hashtag #OpenSafe, ranged from fine dining establishments to mom-and-pop diners that pledged to follow safety guidelines set by the state but which are banding together in their views and staying open.

Some restaurateurs are calling it a protest but others, such as Ed Patrick, owner of Gabbi’s Mexican Kitchen in Orange and Chaak Kitchen in Tustin, say they’re just doing what they need to do to survive. “We’re just getting by and people are supporting us, which is nice,” he said.

A much-lauded fine dining establishment which has been dubbed a “discoveries” restaurant by Michelin in 2020, Chaak has a retractable roof and outdoor patio, and Patrick is welcoming diners in both spaces. His reasoning, like many taking this stand, is largely employee driven.

“Between both restaurants, there are 98 employees, and what? I’m going to put them out of a job right before Christmas?” he said. “From what I understand, L.A. is going to end their suspension on the 20th. I think L.A. is going to open back up for outdoor dining. And when that happens, everybody’s back to the same thing that was going on before.”

JC Clow, a founder of The Winery restaurants in Tustin, Newport Beach and San Diego, agrees that L.A. will open up soon and so will the rest of the state.

“I think in the very near future, you’re going to see the California Restaurant Association be victorious in their lawsuit against Sacramento. And you are going to see a return to outdoor dining, depending on the schedule of the courts, possibly before the end of the month,” he said. The association filed suit in Los Angeles County Superior Court, seeking to block the outdoor dining ban until county health officials provide more evidence about the COVID risks.

Clow does not consider remaining open a protest and was quick to point out that he has not made comments on social media calling attention to his decision.

The Winery was not on the Instagram list of restaurants, which was placed next to the posting of a protest letter penned by Jeff Chon, CEO and founder of Oak & Coal in Costa Mesa and five locations of Tabu Shabu in Southern California. Chon posted a video on the subject that now has more than 40,000 views and shared his letter with colleagues in the industry who agreed and have reposted it.


Chon makes it clear that he is not political and he’s not anti-mask. The letter titled “Declaration of Safe Responsible Service Non-Partisan Coalition of Small Business Owners,” says, “We, as responsible small business owners and operators, do hereby declare our intention to protest the current state stay home order.”

Diego Velasco, executive chef and founder of Memphis Cafe in Costa Mesa, said he had planned to join the protest, but he quickly reversed his decision when code enforcement showed up twice to his place of business.

“It was a really difficult decision when we decided to band with the restaurants and Open Safe, and hopefully have some wolf pack mentality,” he said. “Code enforcement was at our door and we weren’t even open, we heard from a neighboring restaurateur. The next morning, code enforcement was at our door again before we were even open for lunch. … So, we reversed our stance. We had this imminent threat of being targeted. And I don’t know why.” he said, pointing to some restaurants that have been continuing to operate on-premises dining with seemingly no sanctions.

Many restaurateurs are concerned about losing revenue during the holidays, a particularly busy time of year that is typically followed by a fallow period. Clow said he has spent tens of thousands of dollars on safety and outdoor dining equipment. His decision is a level-headed look at the numbers, he said.

“Not only did we adhere to the county guidelines, the state and CDC guidelines, we went above and beyond,” he said. “A lot of businesses are hanging on by threads. And not to have that income for December? It’s just a killer.”<<
 

Stevek

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Sitting on a bench in Solvang resting while friends are browsing. Sunny and crisp and gorgeous, and the town is packed full of Christmas shoppers. Solvang is purposely not obeying Newsom's orders because the Christmas shopping season is too important for their livelihoods. Mostly decades-old family small businesses here, no big chains. Pea Soup Andersen's is the big dog in town, not Applebee's or WalMart.

Also, checked in early to the hip little hotel and wasn't asked if we were "first responders". It's obvious just by looking that my crowd isn't going to be the first to respond to anything, except maybe Happy Hour. :cool:
I feel bad for my second home in Big Bear...they are following the rules and this is a peak season for them as well. Businesses have and will continue to suffer up there.
 

el_super

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truecoat

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What if you are involved in a car accident? Waiting 4 hours in an ambulance might be too long. Why didn’t someone warn us about this.
 
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Supreme Leader

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I guess not everyone gets the experimental drugs at the White House. The White House chief of security lost


What if you are involved in a car accident? Waiting 4 hours in an ambulance might be too long. Why didn’t someone warn us about this.
Didn't you hear? That's that evil socialized medicine that the GOP doesn't want us common folk to have. The folks in the White House get that federally funded, government paid socialized medicine while bodies lay in the trucks outside the over-crowded hospitals. 'murica.
 

truecoat

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Didn't you hear? That's that evil socialized medicine that the GOP doesn't want us common folk to have. The folks in the White House get that federally funded, government paid socialized medicine while bodies lay in the trucks outside the over-crowded hospitals. 'murica.

Not the head of White House security. Lost a toe on one leg and his other was amputated at the knee due to complications of COVID 19. He now has a gofundme to pay for his bills?
 

Supreme Leader

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Not the head of White House security. Lost a toe on one leg and his other was amputated at the knee due to complications of COVID 19. He now has a gofundme to pay for his bills?
Welp. Honestly, I didn't read the article so I'll proudly wear this egg on my face. As for the head of White House security, I'll leave a quote from the president, "It is what it is..."
*But I do hope their able to recover and get back on their feet.
 

TP2000

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I was at Target last night around 10:30pm before my milkshake stop and it was quite busy. Targets in OC are staying open until Midnight because it's Christmas and apparently the 10pm statewide curfew doesn't apply to big box stores (or milkshakes)??? What a joke that even Target knows it's a fake "curfew". :rolleyes:

After visiting a packed Solvang over the weekend and seeing some very busy malls and big stores in OC the last few days I'm really surprised that Downtown Disney still clings to their $10 parking fee! TDA really doesn't seem to want to give up on that money, do they?

Here's a quick video from yesterday that shows just how empty and desolate Downtown Disney/Buena Vista Street is, compared to all the busy malls and big box stores with only 10 days until Christmas!
I'm convinced the $10 parking (with a free half mile walk included!) is the culprit in the collapse of Downtown Disney's business.


 

fctiger

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I was at Target last night around 10:30pm before my milkshake stop and it was quite busy. Targets in OC are staying open until Midnight because it's Christmas and apparently the 10pm statewide curfew doesn't apply to big box stores (or milkshakes)??? What a joke that even Target knows it's a fake "curfew". :rolleyes:

After visiting a packed Solvang over the weekend and seeing some very busy malls and big stores in OC the last few days I'm really surprised that Downtown Disney still clings to their $10 parking fee! TDA really doesn't seem to want to give up on that money, do they?

Here's a quick video from yesterday that shows just how empty and desolate Downtown Disney/Buena Vista Street is, compared to all the busy malls and big box stores with only 10 days until Christmas!
I'm convinced the $10 parking (with a free half mile walk included!) is the culprit in the collapse of Downtown Disney's business.



What anchors DTD really are the restaurants. As far as I can tell, most people who go there is to eat first, shop second (unless there is something big they are looking for). For me, DTD died once the movie theater was removed. That was the #1 reason why we went. But after that, it's eating, which we did on Thanksgiving. And again I don't eat there much and when we did, usually it was before or after a movie. But now, it's only the shops and yeah, with the $10 parking fee, even less motivated to go.

At the very least, why not offer a validation like the old days and whatever you buy you get two hours free or something. Or just let the first hour be free? It will get more people going and most will probably buy something being so close to Christmas.
 

TP2000

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What anchors DTD really are the restaurants. As far as I can tell, most people who go there is to eat first, shop second (unless there is something big they are looking for). For me, DTD died once the movie theater was removed. That was the #1 reason why we went. But after that, it's eating, which we did on Thanksgiving. And again I don't eat there much and when we did, usually it was before or after a movie. But now, it's only the shops and yeah, with the $10 parking fee, even less motivated to go.

At the very least, why not offer a validation like the old days and whatever you buy you get two hours free or something. Or just let the first hour be free? It will get more people going and most will probably buy something being so close to Christmas.

Agreed.

Although I could be funny and remind us all that what anchors DTD is Disneyland. :D

There's no theme parks, no hotels, no convention center, and now no restaurants. It has the only paid parking of any mall in OC, even Pacific City has free parking now. And you have to walk a half mile in from a distant parking lot for the privilege of paying $10 to park.

The only reason I think anyone is still going to Downtown Disney is for limited edition Disneyland merchandise at World of Disney or Buena Vista Street, and maybe to just walk around with the kids and look at the lights and the Christmas decorations.

My hunch is that TDA is hoping the restaurant ban doesn't last too much longer into January and they can go back to this past fall's busy dining scene. Thus, they don't want to drop the $10 parking fee now just to reinstate it in a few weeks and confuse folks. Still, I bet they wished they hadn't started charging for parking a few months ago!
 

Emmanuel

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You just can't sustain DLR with Downtown Disney. People want rides, shows, parades, Mickey Mouse and bubble wands. I'm afraid that the Covidisneyland with Disney's Newsom Adventure isn't cutting it regardless of whether you can dine there or not. People want to go on Soarin', not eat outside of it.

You're right....they want to eat WHILE Soarin over a bended Eiffel Tower in the ride
 

Darkbeer1

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San Bernardino County sues Gov. Newsom to stop coronavirus lockdown – Daily Bulletin

>>San Bernardino County is going to the California Supreme Court in an attempt to stop the stay-at-home order that went into effect in Southern California on Sunday, Dec. 6.

In a lawsuit filed directly to the state’s top court late Monday night, Dec. 14, the county argues that Gov. Gavin Newsom had no authority to ban all gatherings except protests and religious services, close many businesses designated as nonessential, end in-person dining at restaurants and cap restaurant’s occupancy at 20%.

It asks for a decision by Monday, Dec. 28, when the three-week stay-at-home order is set to either expire or be renewed.

Newsom’s press office did not respond to an email seeking a response to the lawsuit or the legal authority for the orders.<<

>>The stay-at-home order and earlier pandemic orders cite the California Emergency Services Act, which says in part that during an emergency, the governor will “have complete authority over all agencies of the state government” and “shall promulgate, issue, and enforce such orders and regulations as he deems necessary.”

The governor should declare the emergency over “at the earliest possible date that conditions warrant” or when the state Legislature declares it over, according to the act.

San Bernardino County asks the court to find either that the act does not allow Newsom to pass laws nine months into an emergency or — if it interprets the act as including that power — that the act should be struck down because it delegates legislative powers to the governor in violation of the state constitution.

The Michigan Supreme Court declared that governor’s orders, also intended to curb the coronavirus, to be unconstitutional based on a similar law rooted in the Michigan constitution, San Bernardino County’s attorneys note.

The county hired the firm of Tyler & Bursch, which has offices in Murrieta and Anaheim and is handling other lawsuits objecting to aspects of the state’s coronavirus response.<<

>>To file the lawsuit as quickly as possible, they changed their strategy so that it wouldn’t be necessary to wait for counties to debate the lawsuit at a regularly scheduled meeting and possibly ask for changes, Hagman said Tuesday. But officials in Riverside, Orange and other counties have expressed interest and he encouraged them to file friend-of-the-court briefs supporting the lawsuit, Hagman said.<<
 

MoonRakerSCM

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Went to Walmart last night to grab a couple of cheap lamp candelabra bases to plug in some led flame candles to finish off the decorations for a co-workers birthday. Walmart was absolutely packed and a billion people were in there.

We're having a socially distanced birthday party in the office with cake and everything just as we've been doing all year.

I'm done as of 5:00 p.m. today but I fear I'll have to work over a bit to get something done before I leave for my trip to Disney world tomorrow morning.

I wish I could spend some of that money here but I have to spend it in Florida since they won't let me do it here.
 

Darkbeer1

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Went to Walmart last night to grab a couple of cheap lamp candelabra bases to plug in some led flame candles to finish off the decorations for a co-workers birthday. Walmart was absolutely packed and a billion people were in there.

We're having a socially distanced birthday party in the office with cake and everything just as we've been doing all year.

I'm done as of 5:00 p.m. today but I fear I'll have to work over a bit to get something done before I leave for my trip to Disney world tomorrow morning.

I wish I could spend some of that money here but I have to spend it in Florida since they won't let me do it here.
Have a great trip!

Merry Christmas.

We are thinking about heading to a Casino on Christmas in the evening for a Full Service Dinner.
 

TP2000

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Went to Walmart last night to grab a couple of cheap lamp candelabra bases to plug in some led flame candles to finish off the decorations for a co-workers birthday. Walmart was absolutely packed and a billion people were in there.

We're having a socially distanced birthday party in the office with cake and everything just as we've been doing all year.

I'm done as of 5:00 p.m. today but I fear I'll have to work over a bit to get something done before I leave for my trip to Disney world tomorrow morning.

I wish I could spend some of that money here but I have to spend it in Florida since they won't let me do it here.

My local Target has been the same busy beehive, and is open until Midnight for Christmas shopping because there's an official 10pm "Statewide Curfew", so of course that means you can go out after curfew to buy fabric softener and hairspray and Botanist gin and all the other Essential Critical Infrastructure that an OC Target sells.

Whatever this current "guidance" states that retail stores can only allow "20% Capacity" inside, is being completely ignored by the big corporate chains this Christmas season. Can't say I can blame them. But it's all such a joke.

I worry that when a real emergency hits, like a massive San Andreas earthquake that cripples all of SoCal, and the state government tries to use similar language like "curfews" and "mandates" that it will be largely ineffective. Because they have used the same language right now that most people are completely ignoring. There's currently a "Curfew" at 10pm, unless you want to get a milkshake at In-N-Out or run down to Target at 11pm for mascara and Nutella and trendy throw pillows, because those things are absolutely necessary for human life! :rolleyes:

This current situation is not good, because our Sacramento betters have completely lost all respect and are imposing fake jurisprudence onto the populace and using fake words like "curfew" and "mandates" when there is absolutely no way to enforce what they are saying. County Sheriff's up and down the state have openly stated they will not enforce any of this stuff coming out of Sacramento, but Sacramento keeps belching forth new mandates and "guidance" that is increasingly ignored.

When the time comes when we really need this type of emergency leadership from Sacramento, and that time will eventually come in a state riddled with major earthquake faults and pocked by active volcanoes, I fear they will have minimized their authority by this current round of hot air. :oops:

And yet big corporate players like Downtown Disney have to follow the letter of the guidance, while the small mom n' pop restaurants openly flout Sacramento's "guidance". It's just all such a mess!
 

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