Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

[drizgirl]

But the numbers we are seeing hitting the hospitals now, are the people who were meeting friends and family, eating out at restaurants and shopping as a group, prior to the introduction of the newest restrictions. Which means, while all those things were open, hospitalizations got worse.

As time goes on, the the outcome of the current restrictions become known, we should see hospitalizations decrease. If that doesn't happen though, more things will need to close.

I guess we'll have to see if numbers rise or drop going forward.

 

[lazyboy97o]

OC ICU capacity down to 2.3%. County doctors begging people to take these directives seriously.

Dr. Clayton Chau, who was foisted into the position of County Health Director in a sad attempt to skirt a mask order, is now also begging people. “I’m begging you. Do not gather. Do not mix households. The transmission is really high in the community right now.”

I don’t like some politicians so I’m not going to listen to doctors.

 

[Darkbeer1]

I don’t like some politicians so I’m not going to listen to doctors.

But we have a facility that can add ICU Capacity, but since it is owned by the owner of the LA Times, and helped get many things passed on the Ballot the way the Governor wanted. No need to force them to shut down. No you have a large TV crew mingling in it, making money.

Can't shut them down to allow the Hospital to be used as a Surge Hospital. Heck, it was a Surge Hospital earlier this year.

Instead we have an old Mental Hospital to be used as a Field Hospital that can only accept stabilized COVID patients.

But we can shut down many other businesses.

What is wrong with this picture?

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Months of not meeting with family or having to close businesses and be unemployed are also great causes of stress and deteriorating mental health. It's not just physical health we need to think of. Those who don't understand that these issues are also a big health risk are not looking at the whole picture.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Not shockingly, I disagree. I think being out doing normal things in a safe way reminds people of the distancing and wearing masks. With all these things closed, people are hanging out in private residences without either masks or distancing. They're living in a pre-pandemic fashion and likely mixing with others doing the same. I think it's causing them to mingle with friends and family more rather than less.

I agree with keeping things open(not just for mental health but these businesses need it). If people follow the rules, life can go on with more things open. The issue is some people make NOT following the rules a sort of mission, and it screws it up for everyone.

 

[Darkbeer1]

She Couldn't Open for Outdoor Dining. The Film Crew Next Door Could. (yahoo.com)

>>For more than a week, tensions have flared between Los Angeles restaurant owners and politicians over the county’s ban on outdoor dining, which health officials say is necessary to slow the surging pandemic — and restaurateurs say is destroying their livelihoods.

The controversy came to a head Saturday when a restaurant owner shared a video on social media showing tents, tables and chairs set up as a catering station for a film crew — just feet away from her eatery’s similar outdoor dining space, which has sat empty since the restriction went into effect late last month.

“Tell me that this is dangerous, but right next to me — as a slap in my face — that’s safe?” Angela Marsden, who owns the restaurant, Pineapple Hill Saloon & Grill, said as the video panned from her outdoor dining space to the film crew’s catering site.<<

 

[lazyboy97o]

But we have a facility that can add ICU Capacity, but since it is owned by the owner of the LA Times, and helped get many things passed on the Ballot the way the Governor wanted. No need to force them to shut down. No you have a large TV crew mingling in it, making money.

Can't shut them down to allow the Hospital to be used as a Surge Hospital. Heck, it was a Surge Hospital earlier this year.

Instead we have an old Mental Hospital to be used as a Field Hospital that can only accept stabilized COVID patients.

But we can shut down many other businesses.

What is wrong with this picture?

Doctors aren’t asking for more physical space. There isn’t enough staff.

 

[el_super]

Months of not meeting with family or having to close businesses and be unemployed are also great causes of stress and deteriorating mental health. It's not just physical health we need to think of. Those who don't understand that these issues are also a big health risk are not looking at the whole picture.

I agree. This is a good argument for boosting mental health capacity though, not a convincing argument for reopening unsafe practices.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Doctors aren’t asking for more physical space. There isn’t enough staff.

Take the staff being assigned to Fairview, a facility that is just empty buildings, and reassign them to an Actual Hospital building, that was being used as the "Los Angeles Surge Hospital" earlier this year!

But then, if the owner of the LA Times wants to not shut down Filming converting a REAL Hospital to a pretend Hospital, one that has outdoor dining (catering) and has a lot of folks in close quarters indoors, that is just fine. But then, many other businesses are forced to close down.

Talking about a Double Standard!!!

 

[el_super]

Instead we have an old Mental Hospital to be used as a Field Hospital that can only accept stabilized COVID patients.

But we can shut down many other businesses.

What is wrong with this picture?

What is wrong with this picture is, as I alluded to in another post, thinking you can set your kitchen on fire because you have a fire extinguisher nearby. Field hospitals, surge capacity, stressing healthcare workers ... these are all things to be avoided at all costs. Not an excuse to reopen your local Applebees for outdoor dining or open up more capacity for people to buy Chinese merchandise from World of Disney.

 

[el_super]

But then, if the owner of the LA Times wants to not shut down Filming converting a REAL Hospital to a pretend Hospital, one that has outdoor dining (catering) and has a lot of folks in close quarters indoors, that is just fine. But then, many other businesses are forced to close down.

I don't get it. Shouldn't you be supportive of them allowing a business (a film studio) to keep operating? What's wrong with this picture?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Take the staff being assigned to Fairview, a facility that is just empty buildings, and reassign them to an Actual Hospital building, that was being used as the "Los Angeles Surge Hospital" earlier this year!

But then, if the owner of the LA Times wants to not shut down Filming converting a REAL Hospital to a pretend Hospital, one that has outdoor dining (catering) and has a lot of folks in close quarters indoors, that is just fine. But then, many other businesses are forced to close down.

Talking about a Double Standard!!!

A facility that was to be used for minimal care non-COVID patients doesn’t give you more intensive care capacity.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

She Couldn't Open for Outdoor Dining. The Film Crew Next Door Could. (yahoo.com)

>>For more than a week, tensions have flared between Los Angeles restaurant owners and politicians over the county’s ban on outdoor dining, which health officials say is necessary to slow the surging pandemic — and restaurateurs say is destroying their livelihoods.

The controversy came to a head Saturday when a restaurant owner shared a video on social media showing tents, tables and chairs set up as a catering station for a film crew — just feet away from her eatery’s similar outdoor dining space, which has sat empty since the restriction went into effect late last month.

“Tell me that this is dangerous, but right next to me — as a slap in my face — that’s safe?” Angela Marsden, who owns the restaurant, Pineapple Hill Saloon & Grill, said as the video panned from her outdoor dining space to the film crew’s catering site.<<

This was a bit of a false equivalency. Film crews are tested daily. The same can't be said for people dining out.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This was a bit of a false equivalency. Film crews are tested daily. The same can't be said for people dining out.

It’s also hypocritical. People say they want rules for different businesses to avoid just everything being closed like before but then cry fowl about how it is so ridiculous when that is done.

 

[Darkbeer1]

A facility that was to be used for minimal care non-COVID patients doesn’t give you more intensive care capacity.

Do You not Understand.

First, California has a shortage of Hospital Beds.

Surging Virus Exposes California’s Weak Spot: A Lack of Hospital Beds and Staff - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Second, St. Vincent's had ICU beds earlier this year. It was designed to handle ONLY COVID patients.

Los Angeles Surge Hospital to Begin Accepting COVID-19 Patients - California Health and Human Services

Innovative Partnership Creates Los Angeles Surge Hospital | Kaiser Permanente

>>Governor Gavin Newsom today announced the establishment of the Los Angeles Surge Hospital, a temporary facility in Los Angeles that will expand access to additional beds and expand ICU capacity for patients who contract COVID-19. Dignity Health and Kaiser Permanente will partner with the State of California and the County of Los Angeles to open the facility, which will be located on the campus of the former St. Vincent Medical Center in central Los Angeles.

Last month, under his declaration of a State of Emergency and executive order, Governor Newsom authorized the leasing of facilities to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including the recently closed St. Vincent Medical Center. The hospital will create additional inpatient capacity in the community to treat the expected surge of patients with COVID-19 in the coming weeks. The facility will operate as a dedicated referral hospital and will not have an emergency room or accept walk-in patients. The County of Los Angeles’ Department of Health Services will play a critical role in coordinating intake and transfer requests from hospitals across the county.<<

LASH could provide 266 Hospital Beds that can expand ICU Beds, and advanced Care, unlike Fairview, which can only handle stabilized patients.

Costa Mesa’s Fairview Developmental Center to cease treating coronavirus patients June 30 – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)

>>Data from Orange County shows that as of May 15, 16 patients had been treated at Fairview – half each from Orange and Los Angeles counties. The facility was intended for people with milder symptoms that needed some medical attention, but not high-level care.<<

Why did the State decided to not open ANY Surge Facilities in Los Angeles County, but open them in Orange and Riverside Counties?

They have a great option for the SoCal region in LA County, why didn't they opt for the Much Better choice?

 

[el_super]

Do You not Understand.

This was literally in the article you posted above (the most recent one not from April or May). Bold Mine:

In addition to beds, a shortage of nursing staff will make handling the surge of virus cases “extraordinarily difficult for us in California,” said Carmela Coyle, the head of the California Hospital Association, which represents 400 hospitals across the state.​

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The number of hospital beds in California has declined over time partly because of a trend toward more outpatient care, said Kristof Stremikis, an expert on the state’s hospital system at the California Health Care Foundation. But more acute than the shortage of beds, Mr. Stremikis says, are staffing shortages, especially in regions with high concentrations of Black, Latino and Native American patients.​

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“The system is blinking red when it comes to the work force,” Mr. Stremikis said. “It’s nurses, doctors, allied health professionals — we don’t have enough of many different types of clinicians in California and they’re not in the right places. It’s a huge issue.”​

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The beds are useless without staff to man them. Earlier in the pandemic, it was easier to share resources with other states, when California was the hot spot of the nation. Now? Not so much.

 

[Darkbeer1]

This was literally in the article you posted above (the most recent one not from April or May). Bold Mine:

In addition to beds, a shortage of nursing staff will make handling the surge of virus cases “extraordinarily difficult for us in California,” said Carmela Coyle, the head of the California Hospital Association, which represents 400 hospitals across the state.​

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The number of hospital beds in California has declined over time partly because of a trend toward more outpatient care, said Kristof Stremikis, an expert on the state’s hospital system at the California Health Care Foundation. But more acute than the shortage of beds, Mr. Stremikis says, are staffing shortages, especially in regions with high concentrations of Black, Latino and Native American patients.​

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“The system is blinking red when it comes to the work force,” Mr. Stremikis said. “It’s nurses, doctors, allied health professionals — we don’t have enough of many different types of clinicians in California and they’re not in the right places. It’s a huge issue.”​

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The beds are useless without staff to man them. Earlier in the pandemic, it was easier to share resources with other states, when California was the hot spot of the nation. Now? Not so much.

OK, The Governor ordered 11 Surge Centers recently.

Fairview, a NON-Hospital, that is located in an area that does not have high concentrations of Black, Latino and Native American patients.

St. Vincent's on the other hand is located in an area with high concentration of Black and Latino patients, with a facility that is an actual hospital, with ICU Capacity.

Why did the Governor decide to send medical personal to staff Fairview instead of St. Vincent. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[lazyboy97o]

OK, The Governor ordered 11 Surge Centers recently.

Fairview, a NON-Hospital, that is located in an area that does not have high concentrations of Black, Latino and Native American patients.

St. Vincent's on the other hand is located in an area with high concentration of Black and Latino patients, with a facility that is an actual hospital, with ICU Capacity.

Why did the Governor decide to send medical personal to staff Fairview instead of St. Vincent. It just doesn't make sense.

Because if you can get minimal care patients away from COVID patients you minimize risk of exposure leaving the hospitals with ICUs able to try and expand their facilities as much as possible. A separate facility requires more manpower to staff and operate versus trying to expand existing facilities. Even then, 1,000 more beds means nothing if you can only find 10 extra doctors.

You’ve also claimed that doctors are intentionally misdiagnosing people with COVID-19. Why does the type of facility matter if these people don’t really have COVID-19?

 

[el_super]

OK, The Governor ordered 11 Surge Centers recently.

Fairview, a NON-Hospital, that is located in an area that does not have high concentrations of Black, Latino and Native American patients.

St. Vincent's on the other hand is located in an area with high concentration of Black and Latino patients, with a facility that is an actual hospital, with ICU Capacity.

Why did the Governor decide to send medical personal to staff Fairview instead of St. Vincent. It just doesn't make sense.

Maybe he just loves Orange County?

Maybe it has more to do with the St Vincent's being leased from a private company and that private company not wanting to break their obligations to other lessees?

 

[Darkbeer1]

COVID Surge Strains Los Angeles Hospitals with 700 Admissions a Day - MyNewsLA.com

But we have a Hospital being used as a pretend Hospital for TV sitting in the Heart of LA.

And we have the governor sending Medical Staff to other facilities, such as a former Mental Hospital, which has no real Medical facilities, basically a Developmental Center designed for Patient storage, people that couldn't live in the "real" world due to severe Mental issues.

Patients that would have been sent to a nearby ER if they had a Medical problem.

Take the funds and staffing for Fairview, and shifting them to a True Medical facility, one that has true Medical Beds and a working set of ICU beds.

State of California, County of Los Angeles Partner with Dignity Health, Kaiser Permanente to Open ‘Los Angeles Surge Hospital’ (lacounty.gov)