Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

[George Lucas on a Bench]

You just can't sustain DLR with Downtown Disney. People want rides, shows, parades, Mickey Mouse and bubble wands. I'm afraid that the Covidisneyland with Disney's Newsom Adventure isn't cutting it regardless of whether you can dine there or not. People want to go on Soarin', not eat outside of it.

 

[Emmanuel]

You just can't sustain DLR with Downtown Disney. People want rides, shows, parades, Mickey Mouse and bubble wands. I'm afraid that the Covidisneyland with Disney's Newsom Adventure isn't cutting it regardless of whether you can dine there or not. People want to go on Soarin', not eat outside of it.

You're right....they want to eat WHILE Soarin over a bended Eiffel Tower in the ride

 

[Darkbeer1]

San Bernardino County sues Gov. Newsom to stop coronavirus lockdown – Daily Bulletin

>>San Bernardino County is going to the California Supreme Court in an attempt to stop the stay-at-home order that went into effect in Southern California on Sunday, Dec. 6.

In a lawsuit filed directly to the state’s top court late Monday night, Dec. 14, the county argues that Gov. Gavin Newsom had no authority to ban all gatherings except protests and religious services, close many businesses designated as nonessential, end in-person dining at restaurants and cap restaurant’s occupancy at 20%.

It asks for a decision by Monday, Dec. 28, when the three-week stay-at-home order is set to either expire or be renewed.

Newsom’s press office did not respond to an email seeking a response to the lawsuit or the legal authority for the orders.<<

>>The stay-at-home order and earlier pandemic orders cite the California Emergency Services Act, which says in part that during an emergency, the governor will “have complete authority over all agencies of the state government” and “shall promulgate, issue, and enforce such orders and regulations as he deems necessary.”

The governor should declare the emergency over “at the earliest possible date that conditions warrant” or when the state Legislature declares it over, according to the act.

San Bernardino County asks the court to find either that the act does not allow Newsom to pass laws nine months into an emergency or — if it interprets the act as including that power — that the act should be struck down because it delegates legislative powers to the governor in violation of the state constitution.

The Michigan Supreme Court declared that governor’s orders, also intended to curb the coronavirus, to be unconstitutional based on a similar law rooted in the Michigan constitution, San Bernardino County’s attorneys note.

The county hired the firm of Tyler & Bursch, which has offices in Murrieta and Anaheim and is handling other lawsuits objecting to aspects of the state’s coronavirus response.<<

>>To file the lawsuit as quickly as possible, they changed their strategy so that it wouldn’t be necessary to wait for counties to debate the lawsuit at a regularly scheduled meeting and possibly ask for changes, Hagman said Tuesday. But officials in Riverside, Orange and other counties have expressed interest and he encouraged them to file friend-of-the-court briefs supporting the lawsuit, Hagman said.<<

 

[lazyboy97o]

You’ve got to have a real lack of character to say with a straight face that the pandemic has passed as new records for infections, hospitalizations and deaths are being set day after day. There is no liberty in following The Prince.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Went to Walmart last night to grab a couple of cheap lamp candelabra bases to plug in some led flame candles to finish off the decorations for a co-workers birthday. Walmart was absolutely packed and a billion people were in there.

We're having a socially distanced birthday party in the office with cake and everything just as we've been doing all year.

I'm done as of 5:00 p.m. today but I fear I'll have to work over a bit to get something done before I leave for my trip to Disney world tomorrow morning.

I wish I could spend some of that money here but I have to spend it in Florida since they won't let me do it here.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Went to Walmart last night to grab a couple of cheap lamp candelabra bases to plug in some led flame candles to finish off the decorations for a co-workers birthday. Walmart was absolutely packed and a billion people were in there.

We're having a socially distanced birthday party in the office with cake and everything just as we've been doing all year.

I'm done as of 5:00 p.m. today but I fear I'll have to work over a bit to get something done before I leave for my trip to Disney world tomorrow morning.

I wish I could spend some of that money here but I have to spend it in Florida since they won't let me do it here.

Have a great trip!

Merry Christmas.

We are thinking about heading to a Casino on Christmas in the evening for a Full Service Dinner.

 

[TP2000]

Went to Walmart last night to grab a couple of cheap lamp candelabra bases to plug in some led flame candles to finish off the decorations for a co-workers birthday. Walmart was absolutely packed and a billion people were in there.

We're having a socially distanced birthday party in the office with cake and everything just as we've been doing all year.

I'm done as of 5:00 p.m. today but I fear I'll have to work over a bit to get something done before I leave for my trip to Disney world tomorrow morning.

I wish I could spend some of that money here but I have to spend it in Florida since they won't let me do it here.

My local Target has been the same busy beehive, and is open until Midnight for Christmas shopping because there's an official 10pm "Statewide Curfew", so of course that means you can go out after curfew to buy fabric softener and hairspray and Botanist gin and all the other Essential Critical Infrastructure that an OC Target sells.

Whatever this current "guidance" states that retail stores can only allow "20% Capacity" inside, is being completely ignored by the big corporate chains this Christmas season. Can't say I can blame them. But it's all such a joke.

I worry that when a real emergency hits, like a massive San Andreas earthquake that cripples all of SoCal, and the state government tries to use similar language like "curfews" and "mandates" that it will be largely ineffective. Because they have used the same language right now that most people are completely ignoring. There's currently a "Curfew" at 10pm, unless you want to get a milkshake at In-N-Out or run down to Target at 11pm for mascara and Nutella and trendy throw pillows, because those things are absolutely necessary for human life!

This current situation is not good, because our Sacramento betters have completely lost all respect and are imposing fake jurisprudence onto the populace and using fake words like "curfew" and "mandates" when there is absolutely no way to enforce what they are saying. County Sheriff's up and down the state have openly stated they will not enforce any of this stuff coming out of Sacramento, but Sacramento keeps belching forth new mandates and "guidance" that is increasingly ignored.

When the time comes when we really need this type of emergency leadership from Sacramento, and that time will eventually come in a state riddled with major earthquake faults and pocked by active volcanoes, I fear they will have minimized their authority by this current round of hot air.

And yet big corporate players like Downtown Disney have to follow the letter of the guidance, while the small mom n' pop restaurants openly flout Sacramento's "guidance". It's just all such a mess!

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Whatever this current "guidance" states that retail stores can only allow "20% Capacity" inside, is being completely ignored by the big corporate chains this Christmas season. Can't say I can blame them. But it's all such a joke.

I think a component that is part of this is the fact that store capacities as allowed by fire marshals are actually quite high compared to what we normally see. So even though a store may be operating at lowered capacity, it may seem like a lot to us because their usual capacity is actually much higher that what we normally experience. Dick's had a sign with their limited capacity allowance... and inside there was no where near that amount, but it seemed busy. Considering Disneyland... the allowed capacity is idiotic, and at 20% capacity the park would still be a smidgen busy.

Funny you mention that. I just heard from some friends that the Indian Casinos don't have to obey Governor Newsom's "guidance" because they are their own independent nations not bound by the mandates of the white man in Sacramento. And thus, they are still operating indoor dining and restaurants at many Indian Casinos in the state. Or at least the ones in SoCal.

Many indian casinos have been operating since ~May or so as you stated due to the fact that the governor cannot force them to shut down. Needless to say I've been to a few and they are following all guidelines and making sure people are wearing their masks (I've dropped by a couple this year). Casinos were the first place I had a regular meal since this all started...

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

In the meantime, they've been measuring the 'rona in our poop, kinda interesting-

https://www.lacsd.org/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?blobid=%2022002

 

[Darkbeer1]

2 strip clubs can stay open and set own COVID rules, California judge rules - CBS News

>>Two San Diego strip clubs can remain open and make their own determinations about providing a safe environment for dancers and patrons during the pandemic, a judge ruled Wednesday. The decision dealt a setback to Gov. Gavin Newsom's health order that calls for such establishments to be shuttered.


The scope of San Diego Superior Court Judge Joel Wohlfeil's preliminary injunction appeared to extend far beyond the two clubs that sued the state to potentially all of the thousands of restaurants in San Diego County, the state's second-largest county after Los Angeles. On Wednesday night, Supervisor Jim Desmond tweeted that the judge "has directed the county to allow businesses with resturant services to operate their business safely and responsibly."

Judge Wohlfiel said it applies to "San Diego County businesses with restaurant services," including the strip clubs, and that it exempts them from shutdowns and "any related orders" that bar live adult entertainment and go beyond protocols "that are no greater than essential" to controlling the spread of COVID-19.


The judge noted that Pacers International Showgirls and Cheetahs Gentlemen's Club operated for five weeks during the pandemic under their own safety measures, which included keeping strippers 15 feet from tables, allowing no more than one stripper per stage and requiring them and other employees to wear masks.

Michael Workman, a spokesman for San Diego County, said county attorneys were meeting "to decipher the ruling and determine what's next. Stay tuned." County supervisors last week vowed to appeal any extension of the exemption for strip clubs, which the judge initially granted last month.

However, San Diego County did say it would pause on enforcing restaurant enclosures until further notice.<<

More at the link.

But now all Disney needs to do as add Pole Dancing by their Princesses and Princes to get things reopened!

 

[el_super]

But now all Disney needs to do as add Pole Dancing by their Princesses and Princes to get things reopened!

How puerile.

Meanwhile back in reality:

Tuesday also marked Chau’s most impassioned plea to get people to follow public health guidelines, like masks, physical distancing and avoiding mixing with people outside of immediate households. ​

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“That is the only thing that still works to stop the spread of the virus. Let’s make that very, very clear. There’s no argument on the other side of it. We know why we have an increase in cases in this country. We are now surpassing 16 million people infected, and over 300,000 people who died from this virus. Okay?,” Chau said, raising his voice at times. ​

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Other times he choked back tears. ​

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“That is a fact. That number is not fake. And the reason why we have an increase in cases is because people have been gathering and not following public health guidance. Period. Let’s make that very clear,” Chau said. “There’s no argument on that.” ​

State Officials Stock up on Body Bags as Coronavirus Pushes Southern California Hospitals to Their Limits

The hospitalization spikes caused the Children's Hospital of Orange County to begin taking patients up to 29 years old.

voiceofoc.org

OC hit 0% ICU capacity a couple days ago. They have activated field hospitals, that are being setup in parking lots. They have suspended rules allowing hospitals to divert ambulances, because there is simply no other hospitals to go to. Anaheim had 600 new cases yesterday.

And yet, still with no plan to actually combat this issue, people still want to insist that Disneyland should be open?

 

[Stevek]

How puerile.

Meanwhile back in reality:

Tuesday also marked Chau’s most impassioned plea to get people to follow public health guidelines, like masks, physical distancing and avoiding mixing with people outside of immediate households. ​

​

“That is the only thing that still works to stop the spread of the virus. Let’s make that very, very clear. There’s no argument on the other side of it. We know why we have an increase in cases in this country. We are now surpassing 16 million people infected, and over 300,000 people who died from this virus. Okay?,” Chau said, raising his voice at times. ​

​

Other times he choked back tears. ​

​

“That is a fact. That number is not fake. And the reason why we have an increase in cases is because people have been gathering and not following public health guidance. Period. Let’s make that very clear,” Chau said. “There’s no argument on that.” ​

Unfortunately, no matter what he says, people will continue to deny and ignore guidance. My own niece posted a pic on FB yesterday of her working out in a gym that defied orders, commented that people should not be afraid of "the vid", should go on living normally and shouldn't cancel family gatherings. She's 21, ardent Trump supporter, and fails to realize that while she may be fine, she gets it and gives it to grandma it might kill her. And yes, I was the one that cancelled the family Christmas get together this year, something she and my sister-in-law can't understand why. I'd rather cancel the family Christmas this year to ensure we can have grandma around for the next 10 family Christmases. They'll never comprehend that.

 

[Darkbeer1]

San Diego County suspends enforcement of COVID-19 restrictions on restaurants and live entertainment | KTLA

>>The judge’s ruling followed more than an hour of spirited argument about whether state authorities overreached or acted within the law to protect public health.

“What’s going to happen next when there is some greater emergency? Are we all going to be under house arrest? Are we going to even have a Constitution?” said Saccuzzo, the Pacers lawyer. “I fear that we may end up in a country that we don’t even recognize.”<<

 

[Mac Tonight]

OK, you know what? I've sat silently by on this for a long time but it's really annoying now...

As someone who did lose their Grandma back in May, can we find another "clever" euphemism for protecting the elderly than constantly throwing "Grandma" under the bus???

 

[Darkbeer1]

San Diego restaurants ready to reopen for indoor and outdoor dining after judge's ruling (10news.com)

>>"It's scary, but if you are vulnerable, stay home. If you are at risk, stay home. If you feel comfortable dining in a restaurant, by all means dine in a restaurant and understand that we are being safe," Romano said.<<

 

[SuddenStorm]

San Diego restaurants ready to reopen for indoor and outdoor dining after judge's ruling (10news.com)

>>"It's scary, but if you are vulnerable, stay home. If you are at risk, stay home. If you feel comfortable dining in a restaurant, by all means dine in a restaurant and understand that we are being safe," Romano said.<<

The exact right stance. If you're at risk, or live with someone at risk- don't dine out. Life is all about gauging risk. We do it every time we drive. If you think the risk of eating out is to high, don't. But businesses have the right to be open and create an environment where people feel safe enough to patronize them.

 

[TP2000]

OC hit 0% ICU capacity a couple days ago. They have activated field hospitals, that are being setup in parking lots.

Parking lots? I read the OC Register every morning religiously and listen to the local news radio throughout the afternoon, and I have not seen one mention of hospitals in OC building field hospitals in parking lots.

But I found this mention on Fox...

To address the need, mobile field hospitals are being set up and will be housed in large trailers and include canvas tents with hard flooring and temperature-controlled units that feature running water, toilets, showers and generators as well as air purifiers.

Fountain Valley Regional Hospital will get 50 more beds, St. Jude's in Fullerton will receive 25 beds and UC Irvine will get 50 beds.

But heck, the Anaheim Convention Center was designated a US Army Field Hospital for 1,000 beds over eight months ago, and it's still sitting there empty. So why the heck would OC hospitals (which serves a population that is wealthier than the US average and notoriously willing to ask to speak to the manager) build field hospitals in parking lots? At what point does Governor Newsom finally pick up the phone and ask President Trump to build 1,000 bed US Army Field Hospitals in convention centers and send the USNS Mercy back up to San Pedro?

 

[TP2000]

OK, you know what? I've sat silently by on this for a long time but it's really annoying now...

As someone who did lose their Grandma back in May, can we find another "clever" euphemism for protecting the elderly than constantly throwing "Grandma" under the bus???

Valid point. And since elderly men die at a higher rate than elderly women with Covid, it might be time to start using Grandpa as the example. Or a Great Uncle?

 

[TP2000]

Meanwhile, LA County's health authority was finally forced to release their contact tracing information on the danger of outdoor dining at restaurants. In November, when outdoor dining was still allowed in LA, the following Science & Data was collected;

74% of Covid cases traced to living/gatherings in private homes (seventy four percent!)
1.4% of Covid cases traced to restaurants

Notice that there's a decimal point there between the 1 and the 4. It's one point four percent of LA Covid cases in November were traced to restaurants, and that includes employees and kitchen staff working in close quarters in the back. Over 7% of Covid cases in LA were traced to government office buildings, both employees and citizens coming in to interact with a government office.

But restaurants are closed and government is still in business. And closing restaurants only encourages people to gather at private homes since all the restaurants and bars are shut down during the holiday season. Brilliant government logic at work right there. Science & Data!

 

[TP2000]

San Diego County suspends enforcement of COVID-19 restrictions on restaurants and live entertainment | KTLA

>>The judge’s ruling followed more than an hour of spirited argument about whether state authorities overreached or acted within the law to protect public health.

“What’s going to happen next when there is some greater emergency? Are we all going to be under house arrest? Are we going to even have a Constitution?” said Saccuzzo, the Pacers lawyer. “I fear that we may end up in a country that we don’t even recognize.”<<

You know, I laugh at this like many of us because it involves a particular type of venue.

But now that I think about it, these types of places have also been openly disobeying the regulations and curfew rules in OC too. And it sounds like they set up a very safe environment for the young ladies (ahem) to work in, which is more socially distanced than my local busy Target and the very crowded In-N-Out with over a dozen kids flipping burgers shoulder to shoulder in the kitchen.

I took that joke photo a few weeks ago outside Anaheim's Satin Topless convertible top store, but it was also obvious that the line of gentlemen (ahem) waiting to get in was socially distanced and standing on markers on the sidewalk outside. This industry seems to be taking it more seriously than the big box stores. Perhaps something to be learned here?