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flydisco

flydisco

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devoy1701 said:
Little Mermaid and Aladdin both had TV spin offs... and they all got the 3 movie treatment. Mermaid has one (horrible) attraction in DHS right now and soon to be a supposed fantastic attraction in the near future, Aladdin also has a somewhat themed ride in Adventureland and a stage show over in DL. Both also have featured spots in Mickey's Philharmagic.

Now that I think of it, the Lion King also had 3 movies, a TV Spinoff (Timon and Pumba) used to have a parade, now permanent stage show in AK, and also a featured spot in Mickey's Philharmagic...

Also, both a Lion King and an Aladdin character are featured in the Tiki Room (which I happen to like :D)

If you think about it, all 3 of these Eisner Era franchises have received about the same treatment. It was his idea anyway to make the film division, parks, and merchandise cross-promotional.

I need to change my sig to say "Lone Eisner Defender" or something of the sort...I do hate Stitch btw...I'm just trying present to the other side of the "OMG Eisner was evil and Stitch is getting so much attention and none of the other 90s Characters get this treatment" argument.

Stitch is just the most recent of these other characters and apparently has more resistance than the others ever had...But I still think he's gotten no more special treatment than other Eisner Era Characters :shrug:



I'm just saying... :lookaroun
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I would have to greatly disagree with you on that. Our family really enjoys Voyage and we make it a point to see it every year.
 
Glasgow

Glasgow

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After all of the (supposed) research and studies and semi-permanent structure that was buily, they're giving it the boot after 2 months? Something is awry here
 
RSoxNo1

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devoy1701 said:
Little Mermaid and Aladdin both had TV spin offs... and they all got the 3 movie treatment. Mermaid has one (horrible) attraction in DHS right now and soon to be a supposed fantastic attraction in the near future, Aladdin also has a somewhat themed ride in Adventureland and a stage show over in DL. Both also have featured spots in Mickey's Philharmagic.

Now that I think of it, the Lion King also had 3 movies, a TV Spinoff (Timon and Pumba) used to have a parade, now permanent stage show in AK, and also a featured spot in Mickey's Philharmagic...

Also, both a Lion King and an Aladdin character are featured in the Tiki Room (which I happen to like :D)

If you think about it, all 3 of these Eisner Era franchises have received about the same treatment. It was his idea anyway to make the film division, parks, and merchandise cross-promotional.

I need to change my sig to say "Lone Eisner Defender" or something of the sort...I do hate Stitch btw...I'm just trying present to the other side of the "OMG Eisner was evil and Stitch is getting so much attention and none of the other 90s Characters get this treatment" argument.

Stitch is just the most recent of these other characters and apparently has more resistance than the others ever had...But I still think he's gotten no more special treatment than other Eisner Era Characters :shrug:



I'm just saying... :lookaroun
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Right, but my point wasn't that these weren't franchises, but that Disney arbitrarily created Stitch as a franchise. The original movies of Aladdin, Little Mermaid, and Lion King did $504 million, $783.8 million, and $211.3 million respectively (worldwide). To me it seems that there's no real money threshhold for making something a franchise, it just happens to be that during that era of Disney animation, they were cranking out direct to video releases for anything and everything. This practice created franchises in situations where it may not have been necessary.

Now that Disney has stopped this direct to video releases (With the exception of the Fairies line I believe) we may see a stronger tie in with box office numbers and what they consider a franchise, but I doubt it. Iger's comments about franchises stemmed from speculation that a Ratatouille attraction/restaurant would find its way into the parks, and he didn't deem Ratatouille a franchise. I would argue that based solely on box office receipts, any Pixar movie should be considered a franchise until they have a box office bomb. Disney seemingly operated under this assumption with the Animal Kingdom's opening as "It's Tough to be a Bug" opened prior to "A Bugs Life" coming out in theaters.

For me, I have no problem with the characters of any feature film finding their way in the parks. What I do have a problem with is when the CEO says something that is somewhat contradictory, and/or incredibly vague with regards to putting these characters in the parks. More often than not, people don't have a problem with the characters themselves, they have a problem with the decline in quality of the attraction, and as a result blame the characters for this decline. Very rarely does the tie in with a specific movie guarantee success. The Lion King is a perfect example. The Legend of the Lion King show in Fantasyland was a puppetshow in the spot where PhilHarmagic currently sits. I saw it a few times and thought it was horrible as the puppets lacked emotion, or at least accurate emotion (ex. Simba would be smiling when lamenting over his father's death). In this case we had a box office smash leading to a mediocre to poor show that was ultimately replaced. Conversely now we have Festival of the Lion King which celebrates the soundtrack of the movie, has several different elements and is arguably the best stage show in WDW. Two shows, based off the same movie, one worked, one didn't.

Then we look at the tie ins with some of the older, more obscure movies that seemingly fit in with the location. The Splash Mountain characters came from Song of the South, which Disney has done everything except deny the existance of in terms of marketability. Song of the South is the furthest thing from a franchise in the Disney animated lineup, yet it's characters populate one of the most popular rides on property. Shortly after Ratatouille came out, Disney opened the Gran Fiesta Tour with the Three Caballeros, a movie I can't get on Netflix because Disney hasn't released it in years.

Speaking from a personal level, I wasn't a big fan of Monster's Inc, yet I'm one of the handful of people that enjoy the Monster's Inc Laugh Floor and the ride over at DCA.
 
SirGoofy

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Buried20KLeague said:
And I'm surprised no one has made a connection between potentially putting up shade structures in TL with the whirlygigs and shade triangle things in the middle of the entrance at Epcot. :lookaroun It went so well THERE...
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I was going to say that, but I figured this thread would just turn into another EPCOT discussion if I did. :lol:
 
jt04

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SirGoofy said:
I was going to say that, but I figured this thread would just turn into another EPCOT discussion if I did. :lol:
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I don't mind temporary shade strutures as long as they actually ARE temporary. They could probably do something pretty cool in T-land because it could be attached to the TTA. They could light it with indirect lighting/fiber optics etc.
 
Animaniac93-98

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RSoxNo1 said:
Shortly after Ratatouille came out, Disney opened the Gran Fiesta Tour with the Three Caballeros, a movie I can't get on Netflix because Disney hasn't released it in years.
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It was first released to DVD in 2000 then re-released with Saludos Amigos on the same disc last year. How could Netflix not have it?

But yes, Disney hasn't done much to promote that movie (or carry over all the extensive laserdisc bonus features to DVD, but that's another story...).
 
RSoxNo1

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Animaniac93-98 said:
It was first released to DVD in 2000 then re-released with Saludos Amigos on the same disc last year. How could Netflix not have it?

But yes, Disney hasn't done much to promote that movie (or carry over all the extensive laserdisc bonus features to DVD, but that's another story...).
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I tried getting it for like 6 months after the ride changed over and it wasn't available... GO TEAM SYNERGY!

It's probably available now, but at this point, I've lost interest.
 
Studios Fan

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RSoxNo1 said:
Right, but my point wasn't that these weren't franchises, but that Disney arbitrarily created Stitch as a franchise. The original movies of Aladdin, Little Mermaid, and Lion King did $504 million, $783.8 million, and $211.3 million respectively (worldwide). To me it seems that there's no real money threshhold for making something a franchise, it just happens to be that during that era of Disney animation, they were cranking out direct to video releases for anything and everything. This practice created franchises in situations where it may not have been necessary.

Now that Disney has stopped this direct to video releases (With the exception of the Fairies line I believe) we may see a stronger tie in with box office numbers and what they consider a franchise, but I doubt it. Iger's comments about franchises stemmed from speculation that a Ratatouille attraction/restaurant would find its way into the parks, and he didn't deem Ratatouille a franchise. I would argue that based solely on box office receipts, any Pixar movie should be considered a franchise until they have a box office bomb. Disney seemingly operated under this assumption with the Animal Kingdom's opening as "It's Tough to be a Bug" opened prior to "A Bugs Life" coming out in theaters.

For me, I have no problem with the characters of any feature film finding their way in the parks. What I do have a problem with is when the CEO says something that is somewhat contradictory, and/or incredibly vague with regards to putting these characters in the parks. More often than not, people don't have a problem with the characters themselves, they have a problem with the decline in quality of the attraction, and as a result blame the characters for this decline. Very rarely does the tie in with a specific movie guarantee success. The Lion King is a perfect example. The Legend of the Lion King show in Fantasyland was a puppetshow in the spot where PhilHarmagic currently sits. I saw it a few times and thought it was horrible as the puppets lacked emotion, or at least accurate emotion (ex. Simba would be smiling when lamenting over his father's death). In this case we had a box office smash leading to a mediocre to poor show that was ultimately replaced. Conversely now we have Festival of the Lion King which celebrates the soundtrack of the movie, has several different elements and is arguably the best stage show in WDW. Two shows, based off the same movie, one worked, one didn't.

Then we look at the tie ins with some of the older, more obscure movies that seemingly fit in with the location. The Splash Mountain characters came from Song of the South, which Disney has done everything except deny the existance of in terms of marketability. Song of the South is the furthest thing from a franchise in the Disney animated lineup, yet it's characters populate one of the most popular rides on property. Shortly after Ratatouille came out, Disney opened the Gran Fiesta Tour with the Three Caballeros, a movie I can't get on Netflix because Disney hasn't released it in years.

Speaking from a personal level, I wasn't a big fan of Monster's Inc, yet I'm one of the handful of people that enjoy the Monster's Inc Laugh Floor and the ride over at DCA.
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Good points.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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RSoxNo1 said:
I tried getting it for like 6 months after the ride changed over and it wasn't available... GO TEAM SYNERGY!

It's probably available now, but at this point, I've lost interest.
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That's a shame, sounds like you got stuck between the time the old DVD went OOP and the new one came out. You should still see it though as it's Disney most trippy animated feature for sure.

As for Team Synergy, they failed to promote the ride on the DVD with a featurette or something about it. Go WDSHE!*

*Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment, the division that has 0 shame in releasing a new non-anamorphic DVD for Condorman in 2009!
 
disney4life2008

disney4life2008

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Disney needs to DROP Stitch (who really cares about him?) I would rather see another Mickey show with classic Disney music.

And speaking of Stich - his wake up call is TERRIBLE! I liked the old one.
 

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