Rumor Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

jmuboy

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Bender123 said:
There isn't anything wrong with the ride systems at MK...most of the changes have been cosmetic over structural. The problem is the theming has gone to more "children" focused IPs and theme.

If You Had Wings->Dreamflight->Buzz Lightyear...the omnimover system is the same, but went from a serious look at the history of flight, to a cartoony history of flight and is now based off a childrens IP. Arguably, the ride is more interactive, but the theme is now based on a childrens cartoon. Not even based on the Toy Story name (which has adult appeal), but on the Space Rangers, which is a childrens spinoff cartoon.

Pirates went fro fairly dark and viscous to lighthearted and tame. The Pirates no longer chase the women, they aren't in town to pillage and loot, they are looking for Mr Depp and his map. The whole feel of the ride has gone from all ages with a mature theme, to kiddy cartoony.

Circle vision->Timekeeper->Laugh Floor...Same as Buzz. From highminded "edutainment" that was interesting and engaging to all to an IP based on scary monsters that want to make you laugh.

Heck...Stitch is one of these stories as its a dumbed down AE that lost all the charm and specialness of the original.

MK, while keeping similar rides, has morphed from a family park to a kids park.
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What a cool planet we'd live on if Timekeeper and AE both came back. Inexpensive, fun, adult, and the ability to open them up to a new generation of guests very quickly.
 
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Magicart87 said:
⬆The stuff of nightmares.

I did like Timekeeper though. Solid concept just executed a bit late with outdated tech. I'd welcome it's return. Might be my nostalgia-goggles but I remember liking it. Can't say the same for Monsters Laugh Floor.
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def a lil spooky... but... robin :(
but yeah, good stuff - very ec

if you'd like a reminder, and don't already know, martin's got a lovely vid (of course)

trainplane3 said:
...and the fact it literally had TERROR in slightly bigger font too.
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ugh, don't remind.
"ExtraTERRORestrial"... whoo boy - high marks for not only being hard on the mouth and ears, but for also being just horribly cringe and downright superfluous.
 
TwilightZone

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smile said:
ugh, don't remind.
"ExtraTERRORestrial"... whoo boy - high marks for not only being hard on the mouth and ears, but for also being just horribly cringe and downright superfluous.
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This is the exact reason why I call it just alien encounter and not the full name.
 
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as any normal human did/does...
so trivial, but i've always been flabbergasted the mere mention wasn't smacked down hastily.
 
Bender123

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brb1006 said:
Space Ranger Spin was made years before Buzz Lightyear of Star Commanded existed.
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Considering Star Command premiered just over one year after SRS opened, I seriously doubt they were done in isolation. Considering Toy Story 2 came out between the two, its more likely that they were part of an IP push designed to flood the market with Toy Story IP. The style of SRS and Star Command are far too similar to say they were independent.

I cant be sure of the back office dealing, but considering the timeline went:

1998- SRS
1999- Toy Story 2
2000- Star Command

Disney knew exactly what their plan was to capitalize on a sure fire blockbuster.
 
Jenny72

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I know this is probably a minority opinion here, but to blame the AE situation on "stupid, ignorant" people is kind of harsh. Yeah, I have my times of thinking that the human race is kind of doofy, too, but when you're designing a theme park, your goal is to design the park to fit the way humans (all humans, even the doofiest) typically respond, and to channel those behaviors in a way that makes people have a good time, have new experiences, etc. AE was on a different level than any other semi-scary ride in the park. It was a miscalculation to think that signs would be enough. People just behave differently in WDW than they would if they were at Six Flags or something, and the management should have realized that and prepared accordingly. Good theme park design takes human behavior into account. And at the risk of being a Pollyanna-type, we're all in the position of being an idiot at some point or another, so take it easy on the idiots who went inside and freaked the bleep out.
 
Bender123

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Jenny72 said:
I know this is probably a minority opinion here, but to blame the AE situation on "stupid, ignorant" people is kind of harsh. Yeah, I have my times of thinking that the human race is kind of doofy, too, but when you're designing a theme park, your goal is to design the park to fit the way humans (all humans, even the doofiest) typically respond, and to channel those behaviors in a way that makes people have a good time, have new experiences, etc. AE was on a different level than any other semi-scary ride in the park. It was a miscalculation to think that signs would be enough. People just behave differently in WDW than they would if they were at Six Flags or something, and the management should have realized that and prepared accordingly. Good theme park design takes human behavior into account. And at the risk of being a Pollyanna-type, we're all in the position of being an idiot at some point or another, so take it easy on the idiots who went inside and freaked the bleep out.
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It was named Extra-Terror-estrial Alien Encounter and had warning signs everywhere... The only way they could have made it more obvious was if they had a dead body outside and showed videos of aliens eating people. The queue made it clear what to expect and parents can be really stupid...They continue to ignore ratings on video games and then wonder why their little brat is a salty little POS. As a parent, I can honestly say I have seen more idiots in the ranks of parents than anywhere else.
 
Jenny72

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Well obviously I disagree that signs were enough, and that people are idiots, but regardless, it wasn't just kids that got scared. I was on the ride when an adult had a panic attack (or something similar that involved hysterics). If you have even a significant minority of children and adults having panic attacks on a theme park ride, you have set something up poorly. I think they miscalculated with AE in MK. And of course its replacement was pretty horrible, but in a different way.
 
Princess Leia

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Jenny72 said:
Well obviously I disagree that signs were enough, and that people are idiots, but regardless, it wasn't just kids that got scared. I was on the ride when an adult had a panic attack (or something similar that involved hysterics). If you have even a significant minority of children and adults having panic attacks on a theme park ride, you have set something up poorly. I think they miscalculated with AE in MK. And of course its replacement was pretty horrible, but in a different way.
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While I never experienced the attraction (I was a child who avoided anything that could possibly be remotely scary), I have watched videos online, and I think that maybe if AE was introduced in the internet age, it could have stayed? I’m just thinking about Kong and how fast the word spread that it had scare actors (who I never saw on my trip, but I think one jumped out or grabbed at the people a few feet in front of me).

Personally, I think the signage and warning signs were plentiful for AE. They were kind of hard to miss in the guidemaps and outside area.
 
Kman101

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I do think what they had was enough of a warning. I know it's easy to get offended when we remark that some guests were ignorant or indeed stupid, but frankly, that's likely how it is. Some guests were likely indignant and insisted on experiencing it with their child. And I do think they could have "missed" the warnings, but at the same time, someone surely can't miss what the attraction was about. I mean, how on earth would you think an Alien Encounter with TERROR in the title would be a kid friendly attraction? As an adult, if you are fearful of enclosed spaces, the dark, etc. why would you go into it? It was unfortunate that they seemed to cave into the whining.

It's also sad that an adult attraction can't exist in the Magic Kingdom park. The stigma of the park is very much "it's a kids park", which does it a disservice, IMO. Why can't we have a mix of things? So what if your precious 3 year old can't experience it? I grew up not experiencing everything in a theme park (why can't your child wait?), I didn't get a participation trophy for things ... I survived just fine. Heaven forbid a child gets a scrape or a bruise or a broken arm or they get a little scared.

I do think it's interesting someone brought up what would happen if the attraction was launched in the social media age. I think there'd be a lot more awareness. Sure some parents would complain but I think it would be able to exist.

It's also an attraction I always felt belonged in MGM at the time though, which is interesting. Why wouldn't I think it's a natural fit for Tomorrowland (when I suppose it is)? Because the stigma of the park is KIDS ONLY.

Not really sure the location matters but I guess it does. I don't know if having it further back by Space Mountain would help. Is the argument that because it was something you first encountered people would just enter it and not pay attention to what it was about?

Aimless rant over ... lol
 
Princess Leia

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Kman101 said:
I do think what they had was enough of a warning. I know it's easy to get offended when we remark that some guests were ignorant or indeed stupid, but frankly, that's likely how it is. Some guests were likely indignant and insisted on experiencing it with their child. And I do think they could have "missed" the warnings, but at the same time, someone surely can't miss what the attraction was about. I mean, how on earth would you think an Alien Encounter with TERROR in the title would be a kid friendly attraction? As an adult, if you are fearful of enclosed spaces, the dark, etc. why would you go into it? It was unfortunate that they seemed to cave into the whining.

It's also sad that an adult attraction can't exist in the Magic Kingdom park. The stigma of the park is very much "it's a kids park", which does it a disservice, IMO. Why can't we have a mix of things? So what if your precious 3 year old can't experience it? I grew up not experiencing everything in a theme park (why can't your child wait?), I didn't get a participation trophy for things ... I survived just fine. Heaven forbid a child gets a scrape or a bruise or a broken arm or they get a little scared.

I do think it's interesting someone brought up what would happen if the attraction was launched in the social media age. I think there'd be a lot more awareness. Sure some parents would complain but I think it would be able to exist.

It's also an attraction I always felt belonged in MGM at the time though, which is interesting. Why wouldn't I think it's a natural fit for Tomorrowland (when I suppose it is)? Because the stigma of the park is KIDS ONLY.

Not really sure the location matters but I guess it does. I don't know if having it further back by Space Mountain would help. Is the argument that because it was something you first encountered people would just enter it and not pay attention to what it was about?

Aimless rant over ... lol
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Warnings were everywhere for it, and I saw a lot of people leave the attraction looking traumatized- a big warning for those considering entering.

Another Universal attraction that handles a ‘big kid’ attraction pretty well- Forbidden Journey. Small children can’t ride it, so there’s a separate area for them to hang out and watch Harry Potter. I’m not exactly sure how Disney would have achieved this, but a holding room for guests under a certain age (occupied by games or a Disney sci-fi movie) would have helped.
 
P_Radden

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I experienced AE in 1998 as an 13-yr-old boy on my first trip to WDW with my mother. It blew my mind. The effects, all of it. Was I scared? Yeah sure, when the lights went out and that thing was lose in the room with us..... Who wasn't a little freaked out. BUT I loved the overall experience. It was so cool!!!
 
RSoxNo1

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brb1006 said:
Space Ranger Spin was made years before Buzz Lightyear of Star Commanded existed.
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Were any of the same voice actors used? I believe Brad Garrett is the voice of Zurg, but for some reason I thought Star command had Adam Carolla as the voice of Zurg.
 

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