Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.

[sedati]

But Poe didn't know that. It wasn't a case of, "They have hyperspace tracking tech and we got to take out their biggest ship or it will get us for sure!"

I told someone today that a better title for VIII might have been “From a Certain Point of View." Pretty much every character was revealed to be both wrong and right in their own ways. For example, Holdo actually had a good plan, but it also failed. She didn't know they would be found out and be picked off one by one in their indefensible and unarmed shuttles on the way to Crait. Didn't know no one would respond to their distress call, and didn't know their big fat door was about to be hit with a battering ram of previously unknown power.

 

[tk924]

Star Wars is 100% dead in China.

Reviews from Chinese die hard fans.
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001531/chinas-die-hard-star-wars-fans-respond-to-last-jedi-flop

And they dropped 92% of the screens after one week.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...di-dumping-92-of-its-screenings/#7c43ba895cc0

This may be why...
CHINESE THINK STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI IS AN INSULT TO INTELLIGENCE

Following it learned that Star Wars: The Last Jedi tanked big time in China, now the reasons are trickling out, which mirror a lot of fans worldwide and here in the United States.
Sixth Tone has a rundown of China's reaction to Star Wars: The Last Jedi where it's mentioned the Chinese audience weren't at all happy with the movie and think it to be an insult to intelligence.
It's pointed out that a Chinese popular review site (similar to Rotten Tomatoes) gives Star Wars: The Last Jedi a weak 7.3 based on 43,000 reviews, with the most up-voted review having complained that “the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience,” and the review questions how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire: “In Star Wars, it seems only Darth Vader had a brain — it’s such a shame he’s already dead."

It's noted that Star Wars: The Last Jedi also failed to be among the trending topics on China's Twitter-like Weibo social network.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi had a measly $28.7 million opening in China, which is a lot lower than Star Wars: The Force Awakens ($52 million) and even lower than the standalone Star Wars: Rogue One movie not a part of the trilogies ($30 million).
Chinese fans also echo sentiments about the direction of Mark Hamill's Luke Skywalker:

Wang and Chen both described the new film as visually appealing but riddled with issues such as atypical behavior from established characters. Luke Skywalker was particularly disappointing to Wang, who felt that the character’s brooding behavior didn’t jibe with the resilience and fearless optimism of the young Luke he had come to know from the original trilogy.​

Our own review for Star Wars: The Last Jedi offered: The basics of focused storytelling are being woefully neglected. Simply throwing together an amalgam of stuff into the production machine doesn’t actually generate Everlasting Gobstoppers. The Last Jedi’s nature as a Frankenstein’s monster of corporate mass production featuring as many politically correct bullet points to be as sellable to as many demographics as possible for their own sake rather than for the sake of the story is as true as the sun.

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[bclane]

Interesting article on ScreenRant that covers many of the criticisms of TLJ.

https://screenrant.com/last-jedi-everyone-gets-wrong-biggest-misconceptions-star-wars/

 

[fractal]

This may be why...
CHINESE THINK STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI IS AN INSULT TO INTELLIGENCE



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Wow. Total disaster in China despite Disney's marketing efforts. Also seems the excuse that no one in China saw the original trilogy is no longer the case.

 

[flynnibus]

Interesting article on ScreenRant that covers many of the criticisms of TLJ.

https://screenrant.com/last-jedi-everyone-gets-wrong-biggest-misconceptions-star-wars/

Don't take Star Wars advice from people who only grew up with the prequels

 

[bclane]

Don't take Star Wars advice from people who only grew up with the prequels

Just out of curiosity, are you suggesting that the author of the article in question has never seen the OT? Or are you suggesting that the time period a person grew up in determines the value of their opinion?

 

[flynnibus]

Just out of curiosity, are you suggesting that the author of the article in question has never seen the OT? Or are you suggesting that the time period a person grew up in determines the value of their opinion?

I'm suggesting that people who have only read about something... aren't the same as people who actually experienced it. And this particularly goes for 'new age geeks' who think they knew what being geek is/was... because they can talk into a camera on youtube.

Or in this particular case... you have a guy who moonlights as a freelance writer... inbetween his busy days as an associate professor teaching 1xx level english classes at a podunk former-community college campus converted to a state school. Just go through his past articles....

 

[bclane]

I'm suggesting that people who have only read about something... aren't the same as people who actually experienced it. And this particularly goes for 'new age geeks' who think they knew what being geek is/was... because they can talk into a camera on youtube.

Or in this particular case... you have a guy who moonlights as a freelance writer... inbetween his busy days as an associate professor teaching 1xx level english classes at a podunk former-community college campus converted to a state school. Just go through his past articles....

Assuming everything you said about the author is true, I still don’t see how your opinion about the author’s geek credentials has anything to do with the points he made, but that’s cool. You have a right to your opinion.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Here's an interesting one:

https://www.google.com/amp/observer...jedi-box-office-bombs-china-info-details/amp/

It's not really about this movie...more the tact Disney is taking.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

the good news is it has blown away attack of the clones...context for the charts.

 

[Phroobar]

Here's an interesting one:

https://www.google.com/amp/observer...jedi-box-office-bombs-china-info-details/amp/

It's not really about this movie...more the tact Disney is taking.

So how well did any of the Star Trek movies do in China? Maybe Jackie Chan needs to be in Episode 9? Actually that would be kind of cool.

 

[bclane]

So how well did any of the Star Trek movies do in China? Maybe Jackie Chan needs to be in Episode 9? Actually that would be kind of cool.

Master Jedi Jackie Chan...after years of hiding out on the desolate moon of Chinaria, completes Rey’s training and together with her, defeats Kylo and his Knights of Ren in an epic battle of the ages. It could work!

 

[flynnibus]

Assuming everything you said about the author is true, I still don’t see how your opinion about the author’s geek credentials has anything to do with the points he made, but that’s cool. You have a right to your opinion.

In short... getting "published" has a damn low standard these days. I gave up after reading three of his 'points' because they were so far off.

 

[Phroobar]

If the Chinese don't know what Star Wars is, Disney needs to build an entire theme park in Shanghai dedicated to it. Isn't that their strategy for Disney's own characters?

 

[Bairstow]

So how well did any of the Star Trek movies do in China?

The new ones did quite well, not as good as "Force Awakens" but better than "Last Jedi". Beyond made like 65 million over there.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If the Chinese don't know what Star Wars is, Disney needs to build an entire theme park in Shanghai dedicated to it. Isn't that their strategy for Disney's own characters?

I think the point there is that they should abanadon the Chinese strategy altogether.

Star Wars is the crown jewel franchise of western moviedom...all evidence points to this.

Alert burbank...they don't seem to get it.

 

[Phroobar]

I think the point there is that they should abanadon the Chinese strategy altogether.

Star Wars is the crown jewel franchise of western moviedom...all evidence points to this.

Alert burbank...they don't seem to get it.

Like the Chinese people can't relate to an evil tyrannical Empire and a small band of people fighting to bring in democracy. I guess that kind of story really doesn't work there. I wonder how Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress would play there.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Like the Chinese people can't relate to an evil tyrannical Empire and a small band of people fighting to bring in democracy. I guess that kind of story really doesn't work there. I wonder how Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress would play there.

...right

I'm saying the Chinese don't like Star Wars...disney is misguided even worrying about...they're obviously forcing it at this point.

Definition of insanity time.

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[Cosmic Commando]

Whether you liked the movie or not, I think you have to give a lot of credit to Rian Johnson with the way he's been out in the press. It's nice to get discussion of why things are the way they are in the movie, instead of waiting for a coffee table book to come out in ten years.

That being said, I could not disagree more that 30 seconds of Snoke backstory would have thrown off the pacing. I think it would have been a nice bridge to TFA, since so much of that movie was pushed aside in TLJ. I don't need a backstory for everything... if there are five Knights of Ren in IX, I don't need to know anything additional at all about them. They fit in to what we already know. Jedi apprentices that went dark. Snoke's very existence is a big question mark that should really be addressed (preferably in the movies, but I'm not sure if that's in the cards now).