Disney Analyst
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Preach!
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.
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Preach!
bclane
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I love how Luke still ended up being the hero, but not just to save his friends in that moment, but to now become a legendary hero to inspire the next generation of rebels. Further, by Force projecting himself across the galaxy he appears to now be the most powerful Jedi ever (though his location was probably key to enabling that). And finally, now that he is potentially a Force ghost, will he become even more powerful in the afterlife and return in IX to save the day again? I can't wait to find out!
Disney Analyst
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Clearly Force Ghosts can impact the physical world, so does that also mean the Physical World can impact them? Could Luke come back and Kylo use the force to destroy a force ghost?
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bclane
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Very interesting question and honestly, I've never even considered that. That would be amazing and shocking and exciting and...WOW! I need to see a dark side vs Light side battle with living and dead Force wielders going head to head. Please make it happen Mickey! Wow!
Wendy Pleakley
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An early draft of Return of the Jedi toyed with force ghosts doing more than just appearing to deliver exposition:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/10-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-star-wars-ret-1383276948
https://io9.gizmodo.com/10-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-star-wars-ret-1383276948
Bairstow
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That's so dumb it has to happen in the next movie.
Also I want ghost puppet Yoda to appear out in the middle of space and blow up all the star destroyers with lightning. Just have lightning come down from the top of the frame.
Disney Analyst
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Brilliant! There's lightning in space now.
bclane
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Very cool, thanks.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...g-slow-indicating-a-weak-50m-is-possible/amp/
Here's more #fakenews printed only to make disney and the greatest film ever - the last jedi - look bad. It's such a shame that people are feeding this conspiracy by not caring overseas enough to buy tickets or flatlining the North American box office more each day...
Here's more #fakenews printed only to make disney and the greatest film ever - the last jedi - look bad. It's such a shame that people are feeding this conspiracy by not caring overseas enough to buy tickets or flatlining the North American box office more each day...
fractal
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Until they said "yeah, that's stupid."
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The technology wasn't there is 1982...
Frankly it wasn't there in 2002 either...
I'm not sure it exists in 2017 either...
I was watching the hobbit last week on TNT...and Orlando bloom fighting with cg characters was just pitiful. And they weren't even supposed to look like humans.
Movies need to have depth...depth is provided by actors and practical effects.
I thought snoke was just "ok" as well...not awful. Guys in costumes on Star Trek the next generation frankly stand up better...you can't replace matter/mass
Box office numbers are only a measure of success to those in control. Those BO numbers mean nothing to me. There have been better movies than this one that made far less.
Travel Junkie
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I disagree with you on the film quality (I think it's above average.) BO performance though we probably agree on. I wouldn't say this proves it is a bad film more than Star Wars has simply never caught on in China. It was always unrealistic for it to have a big number there.
http://variety.com/2018/film/asia/star-wars-the-last-jedi-weak-opening-n-china-1202654207/
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That part was tongue in cheek...
I think it's an above average movie if it was shot with other IP...it's a bad movie for Star Wars
AEfx
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I think the "Star Wars never caught on in China" excuse worked for TFA somewhat, but in the case of TLJ - it's performing rather abysmally in even comparison to that. And because Star Wars hasn't been a Chinese staple, we can't even put that on "Well, TFA had all that nostalgia built up".
TLJ is bombing in China, especially when you take into account how many screens they pushed it on and how much they spent marketing it. It is on more screens than any other film this weekend, and it's going to just eek out #2 - as it stands, is making half as much as the #1 film, which is on less screens. With Jumanji on it's heels next week, it is going to struggle to make 1/3 or even 1/4 of the box office that TFA did.
AEfx
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I'd agree that the opening weekend box office is more an indicator of marketing than anything else. But ongoing box office is definitely the best indicator of how well a film has been received when it comes to tent pole releases like this. Even better than "Cinemascores" and such from that same opening weekend. The fact that Jumanji has taken such a big gash out of TLJ's ongoing box office is really telling that word of mouth and repeat viewings just aren't there.
No one is going to doubt that TLJ has made a ton of money - but then again, the numbers aren't as big as folks might think. "It made over a billion dollars!" sounds like an "end of story" sound byte, but when you consider It had to gross $800M to break even - no one at Disney is throwing cartwheels over this. And given that they clearly are already crapping their pants over the Solo film, it really doesn't seem as if their stewardship of Star Wars is continuing to go in the positive direction it seemed after Rogue One.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The reason I've been pushing the significance of the box office is not to prove that this movie or Disney is in failure zone...that's looking at the first tree in the forest anyway...
If the Star Wars franchise starts to slide in gross...Disney is going to resent it
Only $1.3 (which is where it's gonna end and a bigger drop that the "acceptable" 30% that this false empire strikes back comparison is based on)?
So what If solo does 70% if R1?
And what if 9 does 70% of this one?
That's a trend a stock obsessed company like Disney is gonna HATE. They won't be able to promote based on Diminishing returns and That's all they want.
With no original characters left? It could be tough sledding ahead...
If the Star Wars franchise starts to slide in gross...Disney is going to resent it
Only $1.3 (which is where it's gonna end and a bigger drop that the "acceptable" 30% that this false empire strikes back comparison is based on)?
So what If solo does 70% if R1?
And what if 9 does 70% of this one?
That's a trend a stock obsessed company like Disney is gonna HATE. They won't be able to promote based on Diminishing returns and That's all they want.
With no original characters left? It could be tough sledding ahead...
fractal
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TLJ bombing in China. Disney stated they were pushing for this movie to do better than TFA there. Not even close.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/01/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-struggling-in-china
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/01/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-struggling-in-china
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That's the "fault in iger's stars"...
China is a no go for Star Wars...Mickey mouse is marginal...there's no "vibrant middle class" developing of a billion to chase...
It's not 1960's america and never will be...
To pour more marketing funds in there was a pointless waste of funds...but whatever...
That's minor. What it could mean - making a theory - is that they poured in money in china because they are NOT happy with the gross and were looking to hit a non-public target. Because the story is written at this point.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
They didn’t spend much money in China marketing it at all. No where near what they spent on the force awakens. Which obviously tells you they expected this.