Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.

21stamps

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Yes, the three or four people in this thread who have been arguing against the movie are clearly not prequel fans. But this site's conversation is not the extent of my experience talking about this movie. Conversations with real people I know, on Star Wars fan sites, on social media have come off very differently than here.

Perhaps I am not the one seeing what I want to see.

.. not to mention that me, you, and @bclane ars all GenX.. I think? Anecdotally- So are all of my friends and many relatives.. we all enjoyed the movie.. some have seen it 2-3 times already.

If you don’t like a movie- fine. But leave it at that and not the overwhelming broad assumptions.
 

Bairstow

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flynnibus

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Yup. I’d love to hear how much of the money they will end up paying to produce/market/cross promote and distribute this movie (I want the Blu-ray profits included of course) actually went right back into Mickey’s pocket when it’s all said and done. I think it would be a pretty interesting number.

This argument means little when the subsidiary is still expected to produce its own pnl. They can't work for free - even to their siblings and still pay their own bills
 

21stamps

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I think I’m going to see it again tonight. A friend of mine hasn’t had a chance to go yet. We are discussing 3D vs Dolby. I may take @fractal ’s recommendation and skip the 3D this time. The IMAX wasn’t that impressive cinematography wise.
 

bclane

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This argument means little when the subsidiary is still expected to produce its own pnl. They can't work for free - even to their siblings and still pay their own bills
I disagree. While an expense to one division it’s revenue to another. Out one pocket and into the other. Not a dollar for dollar swap obviously, but still a better situation than a studio would be in that doesn’t have the Kingdom that Mickey built.
 

bclane

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I think I’m going to see it again tonight. A friend of mine hasn’t had a chance to go yet. We are discussing 3D vs Dolby. I may take @fractal ’s recommendation and skip the 3D this time. The IMAX wasn’t that impressive cinematography wise.
Dolby Cinema. 3D is just gonna degrade your picture quality imo.
 

Bairstow

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I think I’m going to see it again tonight. A friend of mine hasn’t had a chance to go yet. We are discussing 3D vs Dolby. I may take @fractal ’s recommendation and skip the 3D this time. The IMAX wasn’t that impressive cinematography wise.
You'd pay money to see this thing again instead of The Disaster Artist or The Shape of Water?
 

MisterPenguin

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Red Letter Media weighs in.



Who the heck cares what these vloggers think? If they want their views known on these forums, they can register and post them. Otherwise, they're just some guys. Although... they are drinking beer as they produce 'content' so... that makes them really kewl!!

We already know what the overwhelming majority of critics and audience thinks.

"Here's what these guys said!!!" is pointless.

Unless you want me to start posting all the positive reviews which outnumber the negative 4 to 1?
 

fractal

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Who the heck cares what these vloggers think? If they want their views known on these forums, they can register and post them. Otherwise, they're just some guys. Although... they are drinking beer as they produce 'content' so... that makes them really kewl!!

We already know what the overwhelming majority of critics and audience thinks.

"Here's what these guys said!!!" is pointless.

Unless you want me to start posting all the positive reviews which outnumber the negative 4 to 1?
don’t watch
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
We already know what the overwhelming majority of critics and audience thinks.

"Here's what these guys said!!!" is pointless.

Unless you want me to start posting all the positive reviews which outnumber the negative 4 to 1?

I prefer Kevin Smith.. because he's actually a creative and not just a armchair critic so he understands both sides... he has tastes I like (except in clothing)... has a well established history... and really is into the superheros and scifi stuff.

His first run at reviewing the movie I haven't gotten through yet... but he's pretty gushy about it.. mainly because of the source material :)
 

bclane

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I prefer Kevin Smith.. because he's actually a creative and not just a armchair critic so he understands both sides... he has tastes I like (except in clothing)... has a well established history... and really is into the superheros and scifi stuff.

His first run at reviewing the movie I haven't gotten through yet... but he's pretty gushy about it.. mainly because of the source material :)
I couldn’t get through all of it but he was definitely loving on The Last Jedi which is cool. I definitely wouldn’t want to hand him the keys to a SW movie, but I could get behind him doing an episode of some future Star Wars TV show. His enthusiasm for Star Wars if always fun to watch imo.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
And that is the problem with these anecdotal accounts. They vary greatly, and often are from the like minded people we surround ourselves with.

My old childhood friends, back from the OT era, universally love this movie. All hardcore SW fans that were turned off by the prequels. Alot of them are now in the film industry or ex film students, so that may be why they align more with critics. Who knows. But even the ones who don't at least have a strong like for the movie.

So if I were going off that experience alone, i would think all gen-xers loved the movie.

But your experience differs. So maybe it isn't a generational divide at all. Its what people are looking for in a movie. TLJ delivers for me on all the most important aspects of a movie. The ones where I find faults are generally aspects of a movie I can overlook. For another person, those aspects may be most important.

I know one guy who won't take a movie seriously if there's a single bad CG scene in it. Doesn't care about acting, script, plot, character, just production value. Now I have very little respect for that guy's opinion, but his criteria is clear even if it doesn't agree with mine.

At less extremes, that is true for all of us. We all have a different hierarchy of value in a movie. not dependent on age or any objective truth about what a movie should be. But based on our subjective preferences. That is the divide here. Not people who read the Thrawn trilogy, or the 15 people in the world who think AotC is the best Star Wars movie. Trying to place absolute value by generational divide is really a vast oversimplification.

Of course there is a problem with anecdotal...

But if you rewind way back to the start of this thread...there was some vehement dismissal that ANYbody had a legitimate problem with this movie because the critical reviews are NOT reflective of the consensus...it's a successful movie, but not without some significant detractor...

And no, that doesn't mean it's empire...this movie doesn't hold a candle to it...way closer to attack of the clones...
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I couldn’t get through all of it but he was definitely loving on The Last Jedi which is cool. I definitely wouldn’t want to hand him the keys to a SW movie, but I could get behind him doing an episode of some future Star Wars TV show. His enthusiasm for Star Wars if always fun to watch imo.

Not impartial at all, smith is...but I wouldn't mind him consulting in some capacity...the more OT fans they can get involved...the better
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
On another note...netflix has a good docuseries..."the toys that made us". The first four hours are Star Wars, Barbie, he man, and GI joe...

Anyway...the Star Wars one has some interesting stuff...notably the prequel piece and what they said about Disney when they bought. Their stated goals for toys apply to the movies as well...and indicates a fundamental problem.
 

Gomer

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Of course there is a problem with anecdotal...

But if you rewind way back to the start of this thread...there was some vehement dismissal that ANYbody had a legitimate problem with this movie because the critical reviews are NOT reflective of the consensus...it's a successful movie, but not without some significant detractor...

And no, that doesn't mean it's empire...this movie doesn't hold a candle to it...way closer to attack of the clones...
I don't think it is Empire or AotC. Unlike both of those, this time professional critics (not fanboy vloggers or youtube personalities propped up on pointing out errors or flaws in films) are on the side of the film. And unlike AotC, anecdotally people who are harsh or mixed on the movie soften to it with additional viewings. Whereas with Clones, even most of its most ardent defenders saw its flaws exposed over repeat viewings.
 

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