Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.

Disney Analyst

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
That was a certainty as soon as the opening crawl started...

What's in question here is where does it end? It took in $21.5 yesterday...which is fine...but even Forbes, which writes a sarcastic article about the concern over star wars everyday, mentions that the day to day tracking for this movie is lower as a percentage than the previous 5 Star Wars movies...And many others.

So here's the thing: in order to get to the still predicted number - roughly double - its a huge uphill climb. Movies don't have legs and are typically all but gone at 6 weeks....and are heavily front loaded at the box office. Thor and coco are down to their final showings around me...and that's a ton of tneaters.
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And with today added in TLJ jumps to #4 worldwide. Does it's gross count for 2017 after Sunday?
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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bclane said:
Yes, I believe it will always remain on the 2017 chart even though its total box office numbers will continue to be updated with future earnings.
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Correct...movies are attached to their release date.

As far as where TLJ will fall when in ends? In terms of adjusted gross, it has very little chance of besting the original trilogy, TFA or phantom menace in terms of where it ends up as far as numbers of tickets sold.

It's currently #106 on that list and the others are 2, 11, 13, 16 and 18
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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fractal said:
When Luke first met Yoda, Yoda was acting like a 8 year old on purpose. It was part of the lesson he was laying out for Luke that Jedi Masters didn't have to be big strong warriors. When Luke lost his cool in Yoda' hut is when the real Yoda came out; Luke had failed his test.

The problem I (and many others) had with the Yoda in TLJ was that he was the 8 year old Yoda - which makes no sense as that was just a facade. So Rian Johnson more or less destroyed the meaning of Luke & Yoda's first meeting.
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From a narrative perspective...there was no reason for Yoda to appear as his mercurial self...

Why was it done? The same reason Milk jokes, cell phone jokes, hairbun jokes and a peeing suit...

Disney trying to prove these aren't the prequels...too computerized, wooden, and serious about itself...

But here's the thing about we old "jedi"
Fans...they don't have to keep apologizing...we've accepted the prequels suck, glad Lucas was driven away to billionaires shady pines, and were ok moving on...

But they aren't letting us move on by making schtick movies light on new storylines.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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21stamps said:
I’m not understanding all of this humor hate. I think it’s great. From what I remember, every movie, starting in 1977 has had quite a few of these lines.
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I don't remember a lot of laughs in the original movies...some sarcasm within character...but never of the "knock knock" variety...more amusing within the story than gags and and other direct humor...
 
fractal

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bclane said:
Ok, for argument’s sake, let’s say Yoda was acting like an 8 year old child. I happen to teach at a K-8 school and can tell you that 8 year olds don’t all behave the same way or have the same personalities. He could have presented himself as a serious but naive child. He could have acted like an angry child. Etc. Imo, Yoda chose to use humor in his portrayal because he was having some fun with his role (Yes I know it’s just a movie btw and that Yoda is not real lol). And as was pointed out, he also used humor later on in the movies. I just hope I look as good as him when I’m 900 years old.
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You’re missing the point.
 
englanddg

englanddg

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
I don't remember a lot of laughs in the original movies...some sarcasm within character...but never of the "knock knock" variety...more amusing within the story than gags and and other direct humor...
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Well...there certainly were in the prequels, especially Episode I (bodily function jokes and stepping in poop).

And, in the special editions, there was that cringy "step on Jabba's tail" scene...
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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englanddg said:
Well...there certainly were in the prequels, especially Episode I (bodily function jokes and stepping in poop).

And, in the special editions, there was that cringy "step on Jabba's tail" scene...
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None of which were released between 1977-1983, which caused a sorta 40 year fanbase/profit machine to be born...
 
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^Classic Star Wars has had a fair amount of a certain type of humor (i.e, Han in the detention block) which is why the movies are so beloved. They're not overly serious or dreary.

But that opening bit ("Holding for General Hux (atrocious casting, btw)...") felt very Marvel or even SNL to me. It shook me out of the Star Wars happy place I had been in since Rogue One's release a year ago, which I never got back for the film's duration. On top of that odd skit, the opening battle sequence (lone X-wing easily blowing up all the massive gun turrets, unmolested) gave me a Prequel vibe. Lockjaw Leia weighing in didn't help, and so, 5 minutes in, I knew it was going to be a bumpy road from there out.

While I'm not a big fan of the prequel or sequel trilogies, I am very interested in "Solo"... I apparently only care about Star Wars films that take place around that Originals sweet spot.
 
englanddg

englanddg

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
None of which were released between 1977-1983, which caused a sorta 40 year fanbase/profit machine to be born...
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To a very large portion of the fandom today, I'd posit, those are the only versions they've ever seen.

;)

I think some of this is (though I hate the term "fanboy")...more, those who are younger Boomers, older Gen-X, and some Millenials...lets call them "Origicons", and those who only grew up with Special Edition VHS/DVD and the Prequels being their theater experience, lets call them "Premobots".

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And, I have a running theory here...which of course is not universal, and there is crossover between both...but...

"Origicons" were already adults, or very near adults, when the prequels came out. They are the ones who led the prequel wrath. I...count myself amongst them. I remember going to see the Special Edition re-releases, and noting each and every little thing (well, not every little thing, but...years of watching the originals on Beta as a kid had burned the scenes into my head).

"Preemobots", for many of them, they either saw the Special Editions or the Prequels as their first experience with Star Wars. And, they didn't have a dozen or so VHS and the rare trip to Blockbuster to pick from, they had dozens upon dozens if not hundreds of VHS/DVDs and later streaming to pick from, lots of stuff out there...not just watching Star Wars every weekend on VHS because...there was that or "Top Gun" or "Godfather" (which Daddy wouldn't let you watch).

Now, there are a few things at play here.

1) The EU. Those of us who were born pre-1980 were coming of age around the time the Zahn novels came out, and the novels, and as we became young adults, the video games. Preemobots, the crossover ones who were coming of age when the SE re-releases were done, had the expanded EU...the Jedi Academy books, etc...etc...etc...etc... They...sortof sit in the middle, as they were early to mid teens when the prequels came out, and the experience between age 9 when you first see it, and age 16...well, can be different. Then there were those born later, which is a HUGE portion of the fan community. Too young for the Zahn trilogy, WAY too young to watch the old VHS tapes (because their parents probably replaced them with SE DVDs), and their first theater experience was the prequels. We are all adults now...but, we all view the series completely different.

2) The late 80s. Yeah, there wasn't much Star Wars. It was a "nerd" thing...like Star Trek. It had its prime, we still played with our toys, there were occasionally new toys, etc...but nothing like what would come later when it was mass commercialized. It basically lived in the realm of books and books on tape...and to a slightly lesser degree the comics and role playing games.

Which brings me to point #3...

2) Cartoon Network / Disney "retcon", but still Canon, shows, like Clone Wars and Rebels, but more Clone Wars, impacted the Premobots. Less so the Origicons. And, in a good way. These older movies, that Origicons griped about and tore apart with documentaries and "nostalgia review videos"...the Premobots learned to reflect upon them in a different way...

So, where am I going with this (before I turn it into a thesis)?

One thing I've noticed watching youtube reviews (because...I watch a lot of youtube in the background as I work...bad habit, but I do...right now, even, I'm listening to Kevin Smith's review)...

The positive reviews come in three flavours:

1) The movie is making a lot of money and you "fanboys" are killjoys for not appreciating it
2) I just went to have a good time, and I had a good time, and yeah, there are problems, but I'm remaining optomistic
3) (and this is the one I note a lot)...How can you not love it because NEW!?!?

And, the latter is the one that I want to sit on, for a minute, because I watched the review by "That Guy with a Camera" (who does Disney Park videos as well, that are pretty amusing), and they were all loving Yoda...why? Because...YODA! It was YODA!

And, it reminds me of what they aimed for the prequels for the "Origicons"...and, we reacted, when we saw Yoda. It was more that...we didn't feel any threat about who Yoda was fighting.

And, therein, I think lay the disconnect.

Those who know the story, because they consume the new lore and anticipate more of it, will love it.

Those who do not...will not. Origicons already read their "novels upon novels"...and have little interest in reading all that or watching 6 seasons of a cartoon series to keep up with all the little references in the movie...

And those who grew up AFTER the insane commercialization of Star Wars post the SE releases...don't have the dwelling over the characters...because, they never had a "dearth" of content.
 
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englanddg

englanddg

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RandySavage said:
^Classic Star Wars has had a fair amount of a certain type of humor (i.e, Han in the detention block) which is why the movies are so beloved. They're not overly serious or dreary.

But that opening bit ("Holding for General Hux (atrocious casting, btw)...") felt very Marvel or even SNL to me. It shook me out of the Star Wars happy place I had been in since Rogue One's release a year ago, which I never got back for the film's duration. On top of that odd skit, the opening battle sequence (lone X-wing easily blowing up all the massive gun turrets, unmolested) gave me a Prequel vibe. Lockjaw Leia weighing in didn't help, and so, 5 minutes in, I knew it was going to be a bumpy road from there out.

While I'm not a big fan of the prequel or sequel trilogies, I am very interested in "Solo"... I apparently only care about Star Wars films that take place around that Originals sweet spot.
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My OPINION is that a "yo mamma" joke that is something akin to what one would see in a Robot Chicken episode...shouldn't be in a canon film.

The whole sequence fell flat for me.

In fact, I'm hoping they kill off Hux and Ren soon so that the "evil" in the movie actually has some threat, instead of basically being a star wars parody of Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget.

But, naw, instead they killed off the only threatening character (due to his mystery and power) in the entire series...and now, we are in for an episode of Twilight where the emotionally conflicted male is "redeemed" by the only woman in the universe that can actually "understand him".
 
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englanddg

englanddg

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As a side note, one review I liked said...

"You really don't need a spoiler section, because you can't spoil anything. Nothing happens."



That said, I'm going for my second viewing tomorrow night with my Kiddo. It will be her first viewing. She's "yay!" and "meh!" about it, depending on when you ask her. :p
 
Bairstow

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englanddg said:
As a side note, one review I liked said...

"You really don't need a spoiler section, because you can't spoil anything. Nothing happens."
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That's the truly beautiful part of The Last Jedi. It's completely, perfectly disposable.
Whatever happens in Episode 9, you can be assured that anyone who has seen The Force Awakens will be able to go directly from watching that movie to 9 and not miss a beat.
 

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