Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ll defend it. I’ve been waiting since 1980 to see Leia express her Force abilities. I mean she is a Skywalker after all so she should have insane Force powers right? That’s what I assume we all expect from someone with Skywalker blood anyway. So, finally after all these years she expresses her abilities in a way that was both unexpected and in some ways unique to her (though Jedi have been able to survive in the vacuum of space in the EU, and most if not all Jedi seem to be able to effectively Force push/pull). And when she finally uses the Force, she does something that she has always done. Rather than be the stereotypical princess who needs to be saved, she saved herself...and did it with style. In fact no one else could have helped her at that moment. The scene was therefore totally in line with who Leia has been as a person since Star Wars first came out in 1977. And frankly, if it is believable that a Jedi can force push or pull an object through the air in a gravity environment. why is it hard to believe that she could Force push/pull herself though space? Finally, it appeared to me that she was still within the shield barrier of the ship she was blown out of and perhaps that had something to do with it as well. To me the scene was shocking but not impossible in a galaxy populated with Force users.

You've been waiting that long, and that poopshow was good enough?

My gosh how low the bar we set?

I think Leia lost her "force abilities" for me in around 2000...when she ceased to resemble the character at all...YouTube is such a useful tool

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I loved it too, and even more the second time I saw it as well. I wish it would have made everyone happy, but even ESB was divisive in some ways when it first came out. Perhaps over time more people will grow to love it like we do.

Again...this movie does nothing on the level of empire. Empire really made the characters...this one destroys them save for a few...

Yoda did a joke about "page turning"...when he had never done a single joke prior...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Still is. This movie will drop in line, or less than, its predecessors for second movie in a SW trilogy. If it was successful before it is successful now. Unless you require unprecedented success to reach that mark.

I require more original trilogy quality than prequel...and Disney will realize I'm correct at some point as well. Unless they have a shelf life for the franchise...if so, more power to them.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Again...this movie does nothing on the level of empire. Empire really made the characters...this one destroys them save for a few...

Yoda did a joke about "page turning"...when he had never done a single joke prior...

Yoda never cracked a joke on screen before? Oh no, they RUINED the character!

Despite the fact that Yoda has made funny comments in previous films, the suggestion that a character should be 100% defined by what he has done before, and never be allowed to do something new, is absurd.

Your obsession with hating every little thing about this movie is more fanatic than fan.

 

[spacemt354]

Yoda did a joke about "page turning"...when he had never done a single joke prior...

Yeah he was never funny in Empire.

Or RotJ

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yoda never cracked a joke on screen before? Oh no, they RUINED the character!

Despite the fact that Yoda has made funny comments in previous films, the suggestion that a character should be 100% defined by what he has done before, and never be allowed to do something new, is absurd.

Your obsession with hating every little thing about this movie is more fanatic than fan.

I'm "ok" with Yoda...that wasn't the worst...

But Hamill was right (before he all of the sudden retracted and it got picked up off the email from disney corporate simulationeously)...the character was all wrong...

But whatever...it was only the central figure of the whole thing...let rian Johnson have his way with it in an alley...

And the defense of this seems pure disney style blind fanboy...aka anything with the label on it is good enough. This type of nonsense never had to be...reboot followed by destruction of nearly everything...

But that finn and rose stuff sure is compelling in demographic research, huh?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah he was never funny in Empire.

Or RotJ

You mean in empire when he was pretending to be a dumb native creature? Or in jedi immediately after telling Luke he was dying and that he was alone...also known as "levity"...

Like I said...I didn't hate Yoda...but no obiwan makes zero sense in that franchise...none.

 

[bclane]

Again...this movie does nothing on the level of empire. Empire really made the characters...this one destroys them save for a few...

Yoda did a joke about "page turning"...when he had never done a single joke prior...

Yoda was hilarious in ESB when Luke first arrived on Dagobah. He clearly has a sense of humor. Sometimes I think the two of us have been watching completely different movies.

 

[spacemt354]

You mean in empire when he was pretending to be a dumb native creature? Or in jedi immediately after telling Luke he was dying and that he was alone...also known as "levity"...

Like I said...I didn't hate Yoda...but no obiwan makes zero sense in that franchise...none.

You said

he had never done a single joke prior...

It's very easy to prove your statements wrong when you speak in absolutes.

Then when you're proven wrong - you change the topic from Yoda to Obi-Wan? Huh?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You said

It's very easy to prove your statements wrong when you speak in absolutes.

Then when you're proven wrong - you change the topic from Yoda to Obi-Wan? Huh?

No...just throwing that log on the fire as well...

Yoda isn't the problem...though I still don't like the joke

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

And the defense of this seems pure disney style blind fanboy...aka anything with the label on it is good enough. This type of nonsense never had to be...reboot followed by destruction of nearly everything...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's possible for different people to have different opinions of the movie. Your opinion is not the be all and end all. Just because someone likes the movie more than you do doesn't mean they're demonstrating some sort of mindless, blind loyalty.

Heck, you want "original trilogy quality". To me that's a bit odd because I consider Return of the Jedi to be a largely terrible movie, but guess what, it doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong, or vice versa.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's possible for different people to have different opinions of the movie. Your opinion is not the be all and end all. Just because someone likes the movie more than you do doesn't mean they're demonstrating some sort of mindless, blind loyalty.

Heck, you want "original trilogy quality". To me that's a bit odd because I consider Return of the Jedi to be a largely terrible movie, but guess what, it doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong, or vice versa.

Here we agree...you don't have to hate it and I don't have to like it...no problem.

Return of the Jedi looks like a MUCH better film to me now than it did a few weeks/years ago...even with the ewoks. Frankly, the acting is a lot better than most of what's followed.

 

[spacemt354]

No...just throwing that log on the fire as well...

Yoda isn't the problem...though I still don't like the joke

You've gone from legitimate criticism of the film in the early days of this thread... to now just hating to hate, bringing up topic after topic just to trash them.

Many of your arguments make little to no sense because your recollection of past Star Wars films is sub-par at best. It's one of the reasons why I haven't been as regular on this thread as much anymore because you've jumped the shark with your criticisms.

 

[bclane]

I require more original trilogy quality than prequel...and Disney will realize I'm correct at some point as well. Unless they have a shelf life for the franchise...if so, more power to them.

Realize you’re correct? Honestly I think that Disney has already realized that there is no way to please certain types of fans (not mentioning any names...) and simply quit trying to do so. That is part of the reason Lucas walked away from it all. They are going to make movies that please the majority of people and happily count their money.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You've gone from legitimate criticism of the film in the early days of this thread... to now just hating to hate, bringing up topic after topic just to trash them.

Many of your arguments make little to no sense because your recollection of past Star Wars films is sub-par at best. It's one of the reasons why I haven't been as regular on this thread as much anymore because you've jumped the shark with your criticisms.

I've been consistent...it hasn't grown on me...you can read through it...
But I am going to see it again...so we'll see.

Please...do tell me how the "feeling" of Star Wars should be? Because that's what's off just a tad for me...

 

[fractal]

When Luke first met Yoda, Yoda was acting like a 8 year old on purpose. It was part of the lesson he was laying out for Luke that Jedi Masters didn't have to be big strong warriors. When Luke lost his cool in Yoda' hut is when the real Yoda came out; Luke had failed his test.

The problem I (and many others) had with the Yoda in TLJ was that he was the 8 year old Yoda - which makes no sense as that was just a facade. So Rian Johnson more or less destroyed the meaning of Luke & Yoda's first meeting.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Realize you’re correct? Honestly I think that Disney has already realized that there is no way to please certain types of fans (not mentioning any names...) and simply quit trying to do so. That is part of the reason Lucas walked away from it all. They are going to make movies that please the majority of people and happily count their money.

And isn't that sad? Star Wars didn't just "please the masses"...it was a technical wonder with memorable characters, a story line all ages could believe enough, and a lasting heart.

George lost site of that in his commercial endeavors...disney isn't in that league - it appears.

I believe the direction they've taken to be wrong...in film, product and parks...so I think a correction will have to take place.

Hopefully it's soon.

 

[Bairstow]

When Luke first met Yoda, Yoda was acting like a 8 year old on purpose. It was part of the lesson he was laying out for Luke that Jedi Masters didn't have to be big strong warriors. When Luke lost his cool in Yoda' hut is when the real Yoda came out; Luke had failed his test.

The problem I (and many others) had with the Yoda in TLJ was that he was the 8 year old Yoda - which makes no sense as that was just a facade. So Rian Johnson more or less destroyed the meaning of Luke & Yoda's first meeting.

Maybe it's being a force ghost for too long that turns you into a crazy pyromaniac that sounds like Miss Piggy.

 

[bclane]

When Luke first met Yoda, Yoda was acting like a 8 year old on purpose. It was part of the lesson he was laying out for Luke that Jedi Masters didn't have to be big strong warriors. When Luke lost his cool in Yoda' hut is when the real Yoda came out; Luke had failed his test.

The problem I (and many others) had with the Yoda in TLJ was that he was the 8 year old Yoda - which makes no sense as that was just a facade. So Rian Johnson more or less destroyed the meaning of Luke & Yoda's first meeting.

Ok, for argument’s sake, let’s say Yoda was acting like an 8 year old child. I happen to teach at a K-8 school and can tell you that 8 year olds don’t all behave the same way or have the same personalities. He could have presented himself as a serious but naive child. He could have acted like an angry child. Etc. Imo, Yoda chose to use humor in his portrayal because he was having some fun with his role (Yes I know it’s just a movie btw and that Yoda is not real lol). And as was pointed out, he also used humor later on in the movies. I just hope I look as good as him when I’m 900 years old.

 

[bclane]

I believe the direction they've taken to be wrong...in film, product and parks...so I think a correction will have to take place.

Hopefully it's soon.

Time will tell.