bclane
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You killed Phasma! You blastards!
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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It's a tradition if the bridge chapter is strong generally speaking
Temple of doom was technically a prequel...two towers was fantastic...empire was the best...etc. etc.
bclane
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I was specifically speaking about the Star Wars trilogies, but yes, I agree that Empire was the best...but it also made less money than Star Wars and Return if the Jedi if memory serves. I’d have to look it up to be sure.
Edit: just looked it up and yes, ROTJ made more than ESB and both made a lot less than Star Wars. Expect the same for the current trilogy.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Jedi made more...but that can simply be explained:
1. Empire turned a movie into a franchise...and launched the modern Hollywood franchise we still see constantly today
2. Jedi...even if not lauded do to repetition at the time...was still freaking cooler than any movie of its day from a visual/technical standpoint and maintained close to that status for years afterward...with some competition...
3. It was also "last of the Star Wars" at the time...there's an interview where fisher says the prequels then but says No to the after movies m...in 1983. That was it for the world's biggest Heroes.
That one is easy to look at Now. Ilm ruled the world back then.
When the matrix premiered and looked visually better than phantom movie 2 months later - it was clear to me that it was no longer the case...
fractal
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I would agree - I don't think they'll get there though.
fractal
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When Jedi came out (which you probably know), the speeder chase through the forrest was considered not only one of the great chase scenes in movie history, but also an amazing display of state of the art special effects.
Also, for those that don't know, originally they were supposed to be on the Wookie planet vs. the Ewok moon of Endor. Merchandising won that battle.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Even the Sail barge scene was breathtaking...to me the key moment in all of Star Wars as far as "feeling" was when the green light saber lit up...a rush that's never been eclipsed for me.
And ...ahem...admiral akbar's "may the force be with us"
Thank you GARETH EDWARDS...for getting it. The right kind of nostalgia...not hairbun jokes
The fighters through the Death Star still looks better to me than the falcon nonsense we've just scene twice...honestly...
Now I'm mad again about the pizz poor handling of characters...why bother to even make the rubber suit? 30 seconds and 3 lines in 2 movies to set up what culminated in the most ridiculous moment perhaps in the franchise history...
Just obscene...
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
My guess is $1.2-1.4 total at this point. And behind closed doors disney probably wouldn't be happy with that.
bclane
Well-Known Member
Same thing happened in the prequels. 1st movie made the most, followed by the third, and then the middle movie. I tend to think that history likes to repeat itself.
Quinnmac000
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From the article you posted earlier....
Based on this, I would argue maybe $1.1B....it doesn't seem to have longevity and repeat views don't seem to be a thing for this film compared to the others.
fractal
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When Luke showed up at Jabba's palace in that bad-asss black Jedi outfit, I assumed (and still believe) that was what a Jedi looked like and dressed (which is one of the things I absolutely do LOVE about TLJ - Luke's outfit in the final "battle" was very much like his outfit in RotJ). I figured the raggedy dress of Obi-Won and Yodi was logically what they wore to blend in and hide their true identity. Then the Prequels came and I thought "What? this doesn't make sense! Why aren't they dressed like Jedi?".
bclane
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The prequels are set 3 decades before Star Wars. Fashions change is how I interpreted it. Obi-Wan just wasn’t keeping up with the times on Tatooine. Lol!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
From the article you posted earlier....
Based on this, I would argue maybe $1.1B....it doesn't seem to have longevity and repeat views don't seem to be a thing for this film compared to the others.
I know...that was from Forbes...not nerdist.com.
I wasn't gonna make a big deal about it because this type of analysis has been beaten down as wrong for six days...
...it's something to watch
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Not to go where I don't need too...
But I did have theory that they only wore them when in hiding to not attract attention.
bclane
Well-Known Member
Maybe... I mean the biggest change from the prequels to Star Wars was his inner robes right (not the outer robe that almost all Jedi are seen wearing at some point or another) so i’m not sure that makes sense but who knows. I’m not a costume expert by any means. If they make an Obi-Wan movie it will be interesting to see how they dress him.
Quinnmac000
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I know...that was from Forbes...not nerdist.com.
I wasn't gonna make a big deal about it because this type of analysis has been beaten down as wrong for six days...
...it's something to watch
This site also is wrong....
The box office dailies prove that article right....there is larger percentage drop for the last jedi over the time spread compared to Rogue One and TFA.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars7.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars2016.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars8.htm
While 'fall-off' can be a sign of trouble, it also can be a sign of nothing. Both Moana and Homecoming had big fall-offs. Indeed a few on these forums were practically gleeful that they seemed destined to fail, but, they both had legs and wound up after a month doing quite well.
Fall-off can be also difficult to discern when a movie has a top-heavy opening weekend. Take an extreme example: if every single person who was going to see a new film in its opening week didn't spread out their viewing through the week but all showed up on Thursday, then it would have a 100% drop off for the rest of the week!
A Star Wars movie is expected to have its more ardent fans see it as soon as possible driving up the opening numbers (for which TLJ broke records behind only TFA), which then makes the rest of the week pale in comparison.
So, the drop-off numbers are not as predictive as they might be.
The best indicator of success, historically, is the CinemaScore, which is an A (from the audience!). This metric would, judging by TFA's opening weekend mean a final domestic number of about $750-$830 million. TFA's total domestic wound up at $937 million. This would put TLJ at 80-89% of TFA. Which is probably the expectation.
Thursday's B.O. was up 6% from the day before.
Foreign B.O. is at $314 million. That's 5% more of the domestic number. But, it doesn't include yet Monday - Thursday or any of China.
Fall-off can be also difficult to discern when a movie has a top-heavy opening weekend. Take an extreme example: if every single person who was going to see a new film in its opening week didn't spread out their viewing through the week but all showed up on Thursday, then it would have a 100% drop off for the rest of the week!
A Star Wars movie is expected to have its more ardent fans see it as soon as possible driving up the opening numbers (for which TLJ broke records behind only TFA), which then makes the rest of the week pale in comparison.
So, the drop-off numbers are not as predictive as they might be.
The best indicator of success, historically, is the CinemaScore, which is an A (from the audience!). This metric would, judging by TFA's opening weekend mean a final domestic number of about $750-$830 million. TFA's total domestic wound up at $937 million. This would put TLJ at 80-89% of TFA. Which is probably the expectation.
Thursday's B.O. was up 6% from the day before.
Foreign B.O. is at $314 million. That's 5% more of the domestic number. But, it doesn't include yet Monday - Thursday or any of China.
Quinnmac000
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Umm the monday through thursday was already added...
Why are you counting China? Force Awakens and Rogue One did not do well there. They just don't like Star Wars. Koreans did not like this film so you can count them out as well. The only major Asian market that could be counted on is Japan for this to pick up slack.
The only thing saving the film box office wise from not surpassing $1billlion are the European markets.
bclane
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Good write-up. I just can’t see TLJ doing 80-89% of TFA business though. ESB was at like 64% of Star Wars domestic total by the end of its run I think (i’m too lazy to calculate an exact amount right now but that is what I remember hearing someone say at some point). If that is true, I think that TLJ would be killing it to make even 70% of what TFA made. We will know a lot more after this weekend though.
It doesn't seem like it. All the totals from individual countries are as from the 17th. But the total is listed as of the 21 simply because that's when they added all the other countries up, none of whom are updated since the weekend.