Walt wasn't worried. Richard Nunis was. Walt mentioned that in his Tencenial anniversary speech to Cast Members in 1965 at the Disneyland Hotel.Is that the reason why Walt didn't want the Haunted Mansion to be a walk through? Or maybe it was Pirates. I can't remember, but he was worried about capacity.
I have to agree that the logistics would be a nightmare. How would you ensure people keep moving? If a few groups decide to hang out in the attraction for a while that would easily snowball into a dismal riders per hour.The idea of a ride that you have to get in and out of sounds awful. A logistics nightmare AND it doesn't sound particularly fun to ride. Yuck.
I've been thinking about this. I think, assuming the load/unload rumor is true, Disney may take advantage of the trackless system to direct ride vehicles to bypass an affected unload/load station. They'd probably also have to have an in-theme Cast Member at each stop point to make sure things were moving along, and disengage the station if it got clogged up, allowing the ride operation to continue moving, relatively unaffected.Getting on and off a ride during operation?? (Yes, I get that it will be designed to stop first. ) Getting off a ride and interacting with the show before getting back on seems like a logistical nightmare. How in the world are they planning on getting everyone back on-board in a timely manner before the next vehicle gets there? I call BS on the description of the ride by Micechat. Can you imagine the ride stopping constantly because little jimmy is scared and doesn't want to get back in the vehicle? Or how about Sally "Artistic" Photographer that cannot stop taking photos long enough to get back in the vehicle before the next one arrives?
Entry and exit will be on the same level for both versions.The concept art for DL indicates the land has different elevations at different parts -- so it would make some sense that you might enter the Alcatraz ride on one level and switch elevations during the ride and get off at a different level......... I'm glad to see @JediMasterMatt seem to concur that Miceage's numbers being off (though I hope the Falcon ride is more like 1800/hr than 1500).
I'm fairly certain Safaris has a much higher capacity than 1400For those who'd like some perspective of the 1500/hr capacity, based on the listing of WDW attraction capacities I found online, 1500 would put it around the same as the Theoretical Hourly Capacity of Big Thunder (1500) Kilimanjaro Safaris (1400) and Mission Space and Soarin (1600 each, though it's unclear if that's before or after Soarin Theater 3)
That number is better than attractions such as Splash (1200) and Test Track (1200).
Obviously the Omnimover/boat rides will have the highest capacities: Mansion and Pirates (3200), but "thrill" rides can still have high capacity, like Space Mountain (2000), Tower of Terror (2000) and Dinosaur (2400).
The last bit, "However many guests are not riding one attraction at a given time are guests that are not otherwise taking up space in the paths or in line for an attraction," is painfully evident when Pirates of the Caribbean is down at Disneyland. That thing not only gets guests onto the ride fast, it holds them in there for fifteen minutes. Without it, it's probably akin to closing all the Fantasyland dark rides at once. All those people have to go somewhere.Hourly rider count is the only thing that determines the speed of the attraction's wait, and that's what Frozen desperately needs.
But broadly speaking, THRC alone does not a high-capacity attraction make. Though you usually see a correlation, there are exceptions. The amount of people an attraction can hold at any given time is a virtue of capacity that I think is under-appreciated. For an extreme example, if FEA were a fifteen second long ride dispatching boats at fifteen second intervals and running two boats at a time, you'd double the theoretical hourly rider count but also cut the amount of guests it can hold to about a fifth.
Now for a real-world example. Kilimanjaro Safaris is a high capacity attraction with a modest hourly rider count. With a theoretical 1400 riders per hour, it's not one of the fastest loading attractions. However, the ride is 22 minutes long, and therefore can hold nearly 520 guests at any given time. Compare this to POTC at the Magic Kingdom which has a THRC of 3200 but with an 8:30 duration holds 450 guests at any given time in the best conditions. Kilimanjaro Safaris, while loading not even half as fast as POTC, holds more guests. However many guests are not riding one attraction at a given time are guests that are not otherwise taking up space in the paths or in line for an attraction. High THRC is good for the ride, but high overall capacity of a ride is good for the park. There's more to capacity than THRC.
End tangent. But as I said, yes, Frozen Ever After only desperately needs higher THRC to cut down that massive wait.
Except there's concept video from the Disneyland 60 special that shows everyone seated.Nobody seems to have mentioned the most logical solution: You don't sit down in the ride vehicle. It would work the same way as modern day Ferris wheels' like the London Eye or the Las Vegas High Roller. Vehicles are continually cycling through a boarding area. Guests pile on. There's a limit to how many guests each vehicle can hold, but otherwise operators simply keep loading until the vehicle reaches the edge of the platform. There's not a particular worry to fill seats and certainly no need to herd guests into orderly "rows," as another vehicle comes promptly behind. When loading is finished, door closes and off it goes. There's no checking of lap bars, the ride vehicle is large enough - and the ride smooth and flat enough (which I assume it is, since no trackless ride yet has dealt with slopes) - for it to be a free roaming pod.
I've always thought this was the solution to Disneyland's submarine ride, which is a great ride marred by an awful loading and unloading procedure. Seat-less rides like this are relatively rare. For one, they are a lot more work. Because a guest is allowed the freedom to look any direction she chooses, the sets thus have to be more elaborate and more immersive all around the ride vehicle. Second, the ride vehicles have to be relatively large, the London Eye capsules are eight by four meters and can fit 25 people. But when done well you get...well, you get the Rivers of America, which this is replacing (isn't it ironic?).
I also don't think it would work with an "everybody on/everybody off" attitude. Guests should be allowed to stay at the mid-ride stop for as long as they would like to explore it. When they're ready, just hop on the next pod outta there.