Yeah, I've seen some of the maps of the DHS version and they don't have nearly as much space to work with there to transition Star Wars into the rest of the park. It's going to be abrupt. Which is weird and ironic; yet another WDW park that seems strapped for space and land.
At Disneyland, all this new eye candy will dramatically improve the giant walls of overgrown trees and shrubs that have defined the back half of Frontierland for decades. All the new cliffs and waterfalls along the Rivers of America, the trestles and rocky ledges along the Disneyland Railroad trackbed, the cavern entrances into Star Wars Land, etc., etc.
It will be a dramatic theme improvement over The Great Boring Wall of Green that defined this third of the park for the past 30 years (since they shut down Nature's Wonderland in '77), where a few fiberglass animals frozen in place, a peek-a-boo look at the parking structure, and that rickety Indian Chief were big highlights.
It's funny though, the mantra that "Bob" synonymous for corporate Disney doesn't give a **** about Disneyland's history is getting harder to maintain when they are replacing the 80's Big Thunder Elements with throwbacks to Nature's Wonderland.
I think we are going to get something that looks like this. See mark at 13:30
True less fake looking but still the same basic idea except with more waterfalls.Nice - yes, but less Splash Mountainy, I'd say.
And the trestles will be higher up to permit clearance for the Fantasmic floats.
Agreed! They are obviously installing some eye candy along the new trails and tracks on the Frontierland side of this construction.
It's eye candy like this and the blending of environments that I think will make this version of SWL far superior to the DHS version. Their version will go from a city scape to an arch into SWL. Inside it will be the same but outside I bet they will try to make it look like a hot set with fake walls
Yeah, I've seen some of the maps of the DHS version and they don't have nearly as much space to work with there to transition Star Wars into the rest of the park. It's going to be abrupt. Which is weird and ironic; yet another WDW park that seems strapped for space and land.
At Disneyland, all this new eye candy will dramatically improve the giant walls of overgrown trees and shrubs that have defined the back half of Frontierland for decades. All the new cliffs and waterfalls along the Rivers of America, the trestles and rocky ledges along the Disneyland Railroad trackbed, the cavern entrances into Star Wars Land, etc., etc.
It will be a dramatic theme improvement over The Great Boring Wall of Green that defined this third of the park for the past 30 years (since they shut down Nature's Wonderland in '77), where a few fiberglass animals frozen in place, a peek-a-boo look at the parking structure, and that rickety Indian Chief were big highlights.
WDW and WDI don't seem to place as much care on planning and land use in the swamps. My guess is that is because of Walt's old blessing of size deal (Y'all recall when he said ''We have enough land here for all of the timeshares we can possibly dream up", right?) The Bob Iger Land IP MAGIC Park should have enough land to make for quality transitions, but I doubt you'll get them. ... And having Star Tours cut off from the SWE is bizarre because I will bet that, unlike Anaheim, ST stays open for years in the swamps.
IMPROVE?!?!?!? Where's my crazy Phil Kippel emojis? Hold on ... OK, there we go.
Some of us loved the beautiful natural rustic feel of Frontierland's back country. Don't know why, could it be because it fit so well? Despite talk of saving trees, Disney basically denuded the area of trees that in some cases dated back to the 1950s. Just hacked them to pieces. Yes, they will be improving the banks of the RoA and tossing a few nice and cheap show upgrades along the way. But I find it hard to praise them when two Star Wars attractions that don't come close to Walt-era high capacity E-Tix 50 years later is what we are getting.
And every man and woman I have talked to that works or has worked for WDI who isn't involved in the project has ripped Disney for this ... oh, and for that little Guardians of the Galaxy takeover of the Hollywood Tower Hotel. It would seem today that WDI (stateside anyway where they don't have to answer to other ownership groups or the Chinese Communist Party) has lost all ability to pitch non-IP projects or to make sure they are placed where they belong from a thematic and storytelling and cohesive standpoint.
But what do I know. John Hench, Herb Ryman and Marc Davis and Co would have loved this type of forced placement.
Careful. Anything even mildly complimentary to Iger will get you thrown right out of the Disney fan community.
Yes, they will be improving the banks of the RoA and tossing a few nice and cheap show upgrades along the way.
Okay, I get it. It's going to be gorgeous. I don't doubt it will be stunning. Just cool it a little with my "Great Boring Wall of Green," which was genuinely one of my favorite parts of Disneyland. The loss still stings.Yeah, I've seen some of the maps of the DHS version and they don't have nearly as much space to work with there to transition Star Wars into the rest of the park. It's going to be abrupt. Which is weird and ironic; yet another WDW park that seems strapped for space and land.
At Disneyland, all this new eye candy will dramatically improve the giant walls of overgrown trees and shrubs that have defined the back half of Frontierland for decades. All the new cliffs and waterfalls along the Rivers of America, the trestles and rocky ledges along the Disneyland Railroad trackbed, the cavern entrances into Star Wars Land, etc., etc.
It will be a dramatic theme improvement over The Great Boring Wall of Green that defined this third of the park for the past 30 years (since they shut down Nature's Wonderland in '77), where a few fiberglass animals frozen in place, a peek-a-boo look at the parking structure, and that rickety Indian Chief were big highlights.
IMPROVE?!?!?!? Where's my crazy Phil Kippel emojis? Hold on ... OK, there we go.
Some of us loved the beautiful natural rustic feel of Frontierland's back country. Don't know why, could it be because it fit so well? Despite talk of saving trees, Disney basically denuded the area of trees that in some cases dated back to the 1950s. Just hacked them to pieces. Yes, they will be improving the banks of the RoA and tossing a few nice and cheap show upgrades along the way. But I find it hard to praise them when two Star Wars attractions that don't come close to Walt-era high capacity E-Tix 50 years later is what we are getting.
And every man and woman I have talked to that works or has worked for WDI who isn't involved in the project has ripped Disney for this ... oh, and for that little Guardians of the Galaxy takeover of the Hollywood Tower Hotel. It would seem today that WDI (stateside anyway where they don't have to answer to other ownership groups or the Chinese Communist Party) has lost all ability to pitch non-IP projects or to make sure they are placed where they belong from a thematic and storytelling and cohesive standpoint.
But what do I know. John Hench, Herb Ryman and Marc Davis and Co would have loved this type of forced placement.
So true...Oh, can I also say The Force Awakens was very mediocre and Bob Iger has been unhappy with Rogue One? OK, just did ... nevermind
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Have you heard anything about the Fantasmic updates?? It sounds like they are making some huge changes out west.
Isn't it all three though?Using terms like 'ego-trip', 'Iger IP' and 'huge tumor' to make your point don't really help sell your augment.
That's when it hit me. They're adding Star Wars to Disneyland. They're changing this incredible place's very essence. There's no going back. This is permanent and will change it forever. I may sound irrational (and it is), but it just doesn't feel right. It just does not fit.
We're running out of land at Disneyland. With Frozenland or Experience coming, Disneyland will be fully built out. Where does the next ego-centric CEO who doesn't care about the parks put his favorite IP? There aren't going to be any other places behind the berm to hide a land. If nothing is really valuable to management, if nothing is special or meaningful, if anything can fit, then how well does that bode for Disneyland's future?
It makes me worry.
It looks like it will be awesome, really it does, but it's in the wrong park. That's a shame in my book.
I personally have no insider info, SWE may end up as a disaster. But I like everything I've seen so far, and love the new life it is giving the railroad. I'm super excited to see some good railway / rock work action along a tighter Big Thunder Trail.
Isn't it all three though?
A huge, damaging, ugly, uncontrollable thing is growing at the top of Disneyland that will fundamentally alter the makeup of the park. It's being rushed because it has "synergy" with Iger's biggest accomplishment, and it's opening just after after he leaves to put one final glorious thing on his list of "successes."
Doesn't that check all the boxes?
Isn't it all three though?
A huge, damaging, ugly, uncontrollable thing is growing at the top of Disneyland that will fundamentally alter the makeup of the park. It's being rushed because it has "synergy" with Iger's biggest accomplishment, and it's opening just after after he leaves to put one final glorious thing on his list of "successes."
Doesn't that check all the boxes?
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